https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJfDWqOFGAg Tēnā koutou, welcome to the Aotearoa Newzealand politics thread. 2018 thread | 2015 thread | 2012 thread | 2011 thread | 2010 thread What is Aotearoa Newzealand politics ? Aotearoa Newzealand is a country of about 5.1 million people. It’s a unicameral parliamentary democracy, with the Prime Minister leading the government. The head of state is King Charles 3, represented in-country by a basically ceremonial Governor-General. An important constitutional document is Te Tiriti o Waitangi, the 1840 treaty between European settlers and rangatira Māori that established government by the British Crown, while retaining sovereignty for Māori. Spoiler: some promises got broken !!! A general election is held every three years, using a mixed-member proportional (MMP) voting system. You get two votes: one for your local representative (electorate MP) and one for your preferred party. There are 65 general electorates and seven Māori electorates – people with Māori ancestry can choose to vote on the general electoral roll or the Māori roll. Parties can enter Parliament by either winning an electorate seat or getting 5% of the party vote. Highly recommend this 90s documentary about the first MMP election in Wellington Central. Insane drama: https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/campaign The 120 seats in Parliament are filled by the 72 winning electorate MPs, then extra MPs from each party’s candidate list until proportionality with the party vote is achieved. Coalition governments are the norm – in 2020, a successful Covid response resulted in the first outright majority under MMP, but the Labour Party still invited the Greens into a quasi-coalition arrangement. The current parliament looks like this: Who are the main characters ??? Chris Hipkins is the leader of the Labour Party and current Prime Minister. He’s a close friend and ideological ally of Jacinda Ardern, who quit being PM in early 2023. At this stage he hasn’t done much to differentiate himself from her beyond some superficial changes in messaging, but it’s still early days. Labour is the big centre-left social democratic party and has held government since 2017. They were doing pretty badly in the polls, but have bounced back to be pretty much neck and neck with the National Party since Hipkins took over. Christopher Luxton is the leader of the National Party. He’s a former airline CEO and doesn’t appear to have any personal politics beyond vague social conservatism. Less popular with the public than his party is, but he replaced a series of freaks and dopes as leader so I guess he still looks good by comparison. National is the big centre-right liberal conservative party, supported by farmers and business types. They’ve had recent polling success by talking about crime and supposed wasteful government spending. Marama Davidson and James Shaw are the co-leaders of the Green Party and Ministers in the current government. They supposedly represent the social justice and climate change wings of the party (respectively). The Greens are a pretty solidly left-wing party now, having jettisoned most of the antivax and “the environment is above left and right” stuff around a decade ago. They’ve done a good job avoiding getting swallowed up by Labour, but a bunch of their diehard supporters are mad because they haven’t managed to achieve an ecosocialist society over the past three years via zero-leverage electoralism. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, but whatever. David Seymour is the leader of the ACT Party. He’s a nasty little worm who managed to increase his party’s vote share by 1,500% between 2017 and 2020. ACT is a far-right libertarian party that loves race baiting, climate change denial, guns, being tough on crime, and reheating American culture war narratives. Rawiri Waititi and Debbie Ngarewa-Packer are the co-leaders of Te Pāti Māori. They’ve managed to rejuvenate their party following a pretty sad decline, and re-entered Parliament in The rest None of these parties are going to make it into Parliament:
There’s an election happening? What are the big issues ????? It’s happening on 14 October 2023 and could go either way. The 2020 election was a total aberration – Jacinda’s popularity gave Labour a party vote majority and caused a bunch of solid blue seats to flip red. Those are all going to go back to National this year, but it’s also hard to predict whether the bellwethers will stick with their 2020 Labour incumbents. Some particular electorate races of interest:
The big issues:
Wow! Where can I find out more ??????? Our media landscape is really small and incestuous and they do a bunch of content sharing. Stuff – Largest and best news website. NZ Herald – Editorially right-wing, Auckland focus, unusable website. RNZ – Public broadcaster. Pretty good, but used to be better. Mediawatch is still the best news product in the country. The Spin Off – Centrist Auckland middle class handwringing, riddled with awful advertorials. Newsroom – Fair to good in-depth journalism, plus the worst opinion section I’ve ever seen. Very funny comments policy. Happy posting! exmarx fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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Fourth best op
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Shame we can't have "Yeah" and "Nah" instead of "Post" and "Reply"
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how 'bout them sandflies?
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# ? Mar 11, 2023 02:59 |
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Weatherman posted:
Yeah! cat botherer posted:how 'bout them sandflies? Nah!
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alright alright alright
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Ghostlight posted:Fourth best op how far things have come...
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Only in New Zealand!
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did the last thread get too spicy
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# ? Mar 11, 2023 03:23 |
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Winston and the OP both looking fly
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getting in on the ground floor so the thread can collapse on me in the next earthquake
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# ? Mar 11, 2023 03:45 |
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Those banners rule exmarx
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Personally I am excited for Egg Chris vs Sausage roll Chris.
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Someone needs to Photoshop a business egg burger. Just put that head between those burger buns cmon...
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# ? Mar 11, 2023 04:33 |
Xik posted:Winston and the OP both looking fly
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What a sad and factually inaccurate OP: Te Pāti Māori re-entered parliament after winning Waiariki in 2020, not 2017. They were out of parliament between 2017 and 2020 after Te Ururoa Flavell lost Waiariki to Labour's Tāmati Coffey.
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whoops, fixed. thanks for endorsing the bit about chlöe 👍
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The bit about Chloe is open to interpretation rather than straight up wrong. The reason she won in 2020: - Unprecedented swing to the left - Underwhelming Labour and National candidates not currently in parliament, sharp comparison to one of the country's highest profile politicians - Very successful ground campaign (3000 new voters registered to vote in the electorate, almost all of whom voted for Chloe) - High profile national referendum and debate on the legalisation of cannabis, in which Chloe was almost the only MP with any visibility - Already the second largest Green party electorate in the country thanks to a high proportion of their core demographics: students, rainbow community, the arts community, and wealthy educated liberal pākehā I don't actually think her law degree and the few months she spent helping a friend set up a small business counted for much among voters, although they are part of her "bright young radical who actually has her head screwed on right" vibe that makes her so appealing to the rich Ponsonby-ites. voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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Good OP, OP.
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bike tory posted:- Already the second* largest Green party electorate in the country thanks to a high proportion of their core demographics: students, rainbow community, the arts community, and wealthy educated liberal pākehā *third in 2020, and fourth in 2017
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exmarx posted:*third in 2020, and fourth in 2017 actually fourth in 2020, greens got 8000 votes in Mt Albert too e: gosh it's good that post wasn't the OP, that would've been embarrassing voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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Bad country, bad politics, good coffee.
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please strike all references to "Newzealand" (and also to the older "New Zealand") from the title and thread.
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# ? Mar 11, 2023 06:33 |
Trompe le Monde posted:Bad country, bad politics, bad posters
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new zealand sucks!
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we're gonna need a better navy
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CODChimera posted:we're gonna need a better navy I cannot quote this hard enough
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https://twitter.com/harrypeterson_/status/1634006375872483329?s=20 Is Roy Morgan a somewhat reliable poll? Because the last poll before this one had the greens on 5.7%. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/485637/labour-rises-in-new-curia-poll-greens-dangerously-close-to-threshold Also thanks for the new updated op!
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# ? Mar 11, 2023 07:48 |
Confusedslight posted:Is Roy Morgan a somewhat reliable poll? nope
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# ? Mar 11, 2023 07:53 |
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Roy Morgan is fine? They do tend to favour the left and the small parties a bit, but they're consistent, have decent methodology and also a long history of their own polling data to norm poo poo off.
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they're not reliable about confusedslight's question: accurately measuring public support for the greens
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I got polled this arvo
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exmachina posted:I got polled this arvo Was it good for you too?
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exmachina posted:I got polled this arvo so which niche, hopeless fringe party did you say you'd vote for? top? heartland nz? greens?
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sign me up for the pole poll
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Progressive JPEG posted:sign me up for the pole poll okay which is best, north or south?
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Auckland getting what it deserves
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