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Y'know, call some friends, have a sign made, normal protest stuff. Not Red Dawn. I can only think of a couple of things, though I'm sure there are others that just don't come to mind at the moment. Shuttering media outlets critical of the presidency, overturning Roe v. Wade and any egregious violations of the fourth amendment would definitely be on the list. Also, selling the entire national park system. Which is something the Sierra Club is worried about, though I'm not sure how likely that is to happen.
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99% of protests are ineffective and stupid, regardless of political affiliation.
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Nov 13, 2016 02:00
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Drone striking weddings. It's bad when he does it.
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Nov 13, 2016 03:09
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That's a good question to ask, and I think good for people to think about. I don't think I would ever join a "normal" protest. Friends? Signs? Chanting on the street? I can't think of a "small" reason. All the "big reasons" like the government re-instituting slavery, actively dismantling secularism, dismantling health care in my province, et cetera, would be better served by more radical action outside of the scope of normal protesting. Or by putting effort into moving to a better place. Peaceful, sign-waving protests are ineffective self-gratification. I think they might actually hurt causes by diverting energy from useful activity.
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Nov 13, 2016 03:21
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My friends and family are in danger of being assaulted, tortured, and murdered. I'm ready to march.
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Nov 13, 2016 03:27
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Transportation.pesty13480 posted:That's a good question to ask, and I think good for people to think about. I don't think I would ever join a "normal" protest. Friends? Signs? Chanting on the street? I can't think of a "small" reason. All the "big reasons" like the government re-instituting slavery, actively dismantling secularism, dismantling health care in my province, et cetera, would be better served by more radical action outside of the scope of normal protesting. So since all of these things are ongoing problems right now in America I take it you support, what, terrorist actions in America right now? But not protesting, got it. pesty13480 posted:Or by putting effort into moving to a better place. Ah, the "love it or leave it" cop out. The main takeaway though, seems to be protesting is bad.
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Nov 13, 2016 03:36
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Protest in the streets? Been there done that, poo poo is dumb. Now shitposting online...
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Nov 13, 2016 03:38
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I live in Chicago. Plenty of people I know already have hit the streets, especially POC and LGBT folks. I would go myself if I thought protesting would accomplish anything at this stage. Right now it's just about catharsis for the people protesting - which to be clear I have no problem with, it's just not my jam.
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Sharkie posted:Transportation. I guess the top four things I've witnessed in recent years: 1. Repeatedly shutting down the bridges into the downtown core of my city (native protests). 2. Safely getting parts of the freight system shut down via threats and blockades (native protests). 3. Interrupting tourist-heavy events during a big festival season (student protests). 4. Garbage fires in "safe" places. (city and garbage collectors had an issue a while back - some people started setting fires in the garbage piles, which got the city real keen to negotiate). Something that hurt more than helped: Protestors doing noise-making demonstrations in the early morning, through residential areas, to annoy everyone. I would not call that normal protesting though. For that, I just see people standing in designated corners being easily ignored and easily forgotten. What I listed are the most more useful types of activity that actually drove change in some scenarios. The point is, that type of stuff heavily disrupted the local economy and drove our landed business interests absolutely insane. Politicians do not care about the common person or common protestor, but they do care when the people who make the big campaign donations are screaming in anger. Edit: These things I think are a nice step between worthless protesting and full Red Dawn power fantasy. pesty13480 fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Nov 13, 2016 03:48
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Yknow, we have a variety of perspectives on this very topic in a thread half a page down on this forum, and it'd be great to have more people join in on the conversation. As for me, I could say that it's about showing solidarity with those that have been demonized by Trump's rhetoric and to tell them that the entire country doesn't hate them and that they aren't alone. I could also say it's about trying to build momentum for an actual leftist political force in the United States. But really, the thing that got me on the streets was that I saw that some people weren't going to take this horrendous poo poo sitting down, and decided that I had to stand the gently caress up with them. A feeling of resolve beats a feeling of despair any day, and its probably more productive as well.
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pesty13480 posted:I guess the top four things I've witnessed in recent years: These are all things protestors are doing right now, so...I'm glad you like protests and think they're good? A big flaming stink posted:Yknow, we have a variety of perspectives on this very topic in a thread half a page down on this forum, and it'd be great to have more people join in on the conversation. Yes to all this as well, which is why I look askance at armchair generals tut-tutting protestors who don't follow their playbook. Sharkie fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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I'm gonna protest white men who don't show solidarity with minorities and women while President Trump openly supports Israeli settlements and tears up the one deal that could save the middle east from being engulfed in nuclear fire.
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All the anti trump protestors sure are going to justify giving the Police a good shining up.
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Nov 13, 2016 04:13
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Maybe I'd protest more if I didn't have to drive for ages to do it. American sprawl sucks.
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Nov 13, 2016 04:18
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This. http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-says-hed-absolutely-require-muslims-to-register/
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Nov 13, 2016 04:27
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Literally nothing. It's a binary 'Business As Usual'/'Red Dawn' for me!
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Mercrom posted:I'm gonna protest white men who don't show solidarity with minorities and women while President Trump openly supports Israeli settlements and tears up the one deal that could save the middle east from being engulfed in nuclear fire. Ok let us know how that works out for you.
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Nov 13, 2016 04:35
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50/50 odds of getting laid off it.
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Revolution baby!Mulva posted:50/50 odds of getting laid off it. Also this.
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Sulphuric rear end in a top hat posted:99% of protests are ineffective and stupid, regardless of political affiliation. Protests imitate life.
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I think if they start rounding up minorities into concentration camps I'd join an underground resistance movement or at least try to provide covert aid and shelter to minorities.
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Vladimir Putin posted:I think if they start rounding up minorities into concentration camps I'd join an underground resistance movement or at least try to provide covert aid and shelter to minorities. Might wanna edit this post when that happens.
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Nov 13, 2016 05:33
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When other measures have failed and/or there's a legitimate chance that protesting will accomplish a clear goal.
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Vladimir Putin posted:I think if they start rounding up minorities into concentration camps I'd join an underground resistance movement or at least try to provide covert aid and shelter to minorities. I say this too now but really it will depend on what's on tv.
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I'll start marching when marching actually works. So never. After the no-brakes fail train that was the 2003 Iraq war protests that didn't stop anything, OWS probably came the closest to success in recent history and inserted the 99% meme into the public consciousness. And that's all it ultimately accomplished. Bernie (and Hillary) didn't get elected and any minimal concessions Obama made to them are going to get rolled back by our new God-Emperor. If you seriously think protests work, I've got some Indian reservation land in North Dakota to sell you come January.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:I'll start marching when marching actually works. So never. After the no-brakes fail train that was the 2003 Iraq war protests that didn't stop anything, OWS probably came the closest to success in recent history and inserted the 99% meme into the public consciousness. And that's all it ultimately accomplished. Bernie (and Hillary) didn't get elected and any minimal concessions Obama made to them are going to get rolled back by our new God-Emperor. Black Lives Matter would like to have a word with you. Police departments all around the country have been reorganizing themselves in response, introducing new training for officers. Police chiefs have been fired and replaced in different cities directly because of protests, and public opinion and awareness of racial issues has shifted dramatically in just the span of one year according to polls. Just bringing racial issues to mainstream attention is important. It's had an impact on things like funding for private prisons. It had a big impact on the election. BLM leaders met with Clinton and Sanders and had an impact on their platforms. Trump winning is obviously a major setback but that doesn't mean it was all for nothing. Just getting out on the streets and making your opinions known has an impact. Protesting has more of an impact on real, actual policy than just about anything you can do aside from voting. History is filled with examples of protests having dramatic impact and freaking the gently caress out of world leaders, sometimes toppling governments in the process. Nixon was scared shitless by protesters in his administration. Bashar al-Assad was reportedly hyperventilating in his office and unable to think straight during the initial protests against him in Syria. It's one of the reasons he cracked down so hard and started killing people. Trump has already said he wants to spend a lot of time at Trump Tower instead of the White House during his administration. During his campaign, he would fly back to New York every night so he could sleep in his own bed. He's a big baby with a fragile ego and he's gonna be spending a lot of time in his golden palace at the top of a huge tower in a city that hates his guts when he's president. You don't think protesters are going to get under his skin?
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If it turns out that the Russians actually managed to sway the election. That'll do it for me. http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/florida-election-hack/index.html
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Strikes would probably be a better idea.
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Protest is important if only to show those in power that their positions are not popular. It's also important to show oppressed people that they aren't alone and that there are people who are on their side and support them. With Trump specifically it's important to protest because he's promised to do a lot of horrible things and the longer we wait to mount opposition to those things the more of them he'll get done. The goal isn't so much to force direct or immediate change as to try to demonstrate enough popular opposition to peel away a few senators from supporting his agenda.
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A lot. Modern protests in America are pretty ineffectual because they are:
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The only protest movements in the last however many years I have any respect for are OWS and BLM. BLM scares the poo poo out the establishment and you can see that in the way it's portrayed in the mass media. The elites actually give a poo poo about BLM - of course they're not going to make moves to stop murdering black people, quite the opposite in fact, but they are rather vexed by the prospect of a renewed black nationalism. This is good. OWS was great until Wall Street figured out they weren't actually going to do anything. Then no one gave a poo poo anymore. Some banker jackass even called a bunch of them monkeys to their faces and laughed at them on television, and gently caress-all happened. Maybe if that dude had gotten glassed instead we'd have Full Communism now, but them's the breaks  Still, good stuff can be traced back to OWS even if the movement itself fizzled.
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Well I've been in the streets for BLM protests so I guess the answer is the continued unaccountable killing of POC by paramilitary groups paid with my tax dollars and supposedly charged with protecting me and my neighbors.
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I've done it, back when I was dumb and leftist and a student. I protested nothing to virtue-signal my non-disapproval of homosexuality. As an intended result, I had heterosexual sex with a woman after protesting. These days, I'd need hunger and an identifiable antagonist. Barring that, maybe some real atrocity, or the promise of sex. Cozy 40-year old lawyer that I am, that's hard. I'd probably go get shot by POUM factionalism in Spain to fight Franco. There's just nothing compelling in the US to warrant it. As excited as people here get about politics, it's Dullsville. Black Lives Matter? Of course they do. It's not even up for discussion. So stop killing each other, and come join the black people I hang out with. TheImmigrant fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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They'd have to be well organized and not turn into riots Judging by the riots in Portland, I'd say the current protests aren't doing a good job of that so I'll avoid them
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Nov 13, 2016 16:40
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On a related note, are there any protips for knowing who's gonna start poo poo at a protest? Short of showing up with a baseball bat, I mean.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Well I've been in the streets for BLM protests so I guess the answer is the continued unaccountable killing of POC by paramilitary groups paid with my tax dollars and supposedly charged with protecting me and my neighbors. The police have no obligation and are beholden to no expectation of keeping you safe.
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PerrineClostermann posted:The police have no obligation and are beholden to no expectation of keeping you safe. Legally, no. But that's not really the point, is it?
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After the Tamir Rice shooting happened, I resolved that if the shooter was acquitted I would join any protests afterwards (I'm in Cleveland). Lo and behold, the night the acquittal happened I went downtown ASAP and didn't see poo poo. I scoured social media for anything being planned, and found that a few dozen people had marched to the shoreway (major freeway used by commuters), blocked it for ten or so minutes, and had already been dispersed. Nothing else. gently caress this city.
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Protest in the streets Crackdown in the sheets
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