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Hello all- a very, very small few of you might know me around the forums. Otherwise hello to everyone else who does not, I am the goon who goes by Burkion. This thread is for a very simple, very elegant and possibly very stupid project. Watching and reviewing every single giant monster movie that is actually possible to watch, in chronological order. I will be joined by fellow goon, Seer235, sporadically. Generally he will be watching the movies with me, but he may decline from sharing his thoughts on them if he so wishes. The catch here is that this will cover a lot of film history. A lot of film history. The criteria for the list is simply that it brings the main characters into conflict with giant monsters during the events of the story, and I want to share them all with you guys. If you guys want to follow along, I will be including the full list below, but don't expect a consistent schedule with this project. I want to give each film the time they deserve, do proper research on them when applicable, and go into the themes and ideas of the film and how they helped to shape cinematic history while also emphasizing their importance in the history of giant monster fiction. Don't expect me to be all that funny because I am not that funny a person and this is mostly going to be a genuine discussion of the films here. This is just a dumb weird project that I've been wanting to do for a while, and I figure this is a great way to go about it. I hope you lot enjoy it, and for the first few films, I hope you're ready to talk about the very beginning of cinema itself, as well as lots and lots of racism. I will clarify one thing about these reviews- I will not be going over the plot in depth. I will do a short summary of the plot at best, because for a lot of these it is best to either see it for yourself, or if you just want to know what happens, read the wikipedia article. Instead I am focusing on the narrative, content, and how the giant monster itself is portrayed and presented. I will be covering giant monster TV series as well, though in a very broad sense. I will not go in-depth on individual episodes, but instead a broad look at the series as a whole and how their monsters are presented. The first film up for review is Conquest of the Pole, 1912, the very first film I can find that presents a giant monster. I will be getting to its review a little later today. The actual List of all the movies to go through can be found in the second post because it's...long. I hope some people find this interesting and hey, this will be a neat diversion. Again, this is a side project so I hope to get a review up every week, but no promises. Real life and other things come first.
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The List- this will cover basically all of the movies that I will touch on, though certain films may be merged into the discussion of others, such as the Japanese King Kongs with the original. If I have missed any giant monster films, please step forward and say so. Otherwise, here is the complete list of titles to the best of my knowledge. The Conquest of the Pole (À la conquête du pôle) (May 3rd, 1912) The Ghost of Slumber Mountain (Short Film, 1919) The Lost World (February 2nd, 1925) The Mysterious Island (1929) The Sea Bat (July 5th, 1930) King Kong (March 2nd, 1933) Son of Kong (December 22nd, 1933) Japanese King Kong (1933, Short Film - Presumed Lost / Unconfirmed Status) Secret of the Loch (May, 1934) Devil Monster AKA The Sea Fiend (1936, and 1946 re-cut version) King Kong Appears in Edo (1938 - Presumed Lost) One Million B.C. (1940) Unknown Island (October 15th, 1948) Mighty Joe Young (July 27th, 1949) 1920-1940 Retrospective: The Early Years of the Giant Monster Film Genre Lost Continent (August 17th, 1951) The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms (June 13th, 1953) SPECIAL EPISODE: The War of the Worlds (August 26, 1953) Monster from the Ocean Floor (May 21st, 1954) Them! (June 19th, 1954) 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (Disney, December 23rd 1954) Godzilla (1954) / Godzilla, King Of The Monsters (1956, American Version) Killers from Space (1954) Godzilla Raids Again (1955) / Gigantis the Fire Monster (1959, American Version) King Dinosaur (1955) It Came from Beneath the Sea (1955) Tarantula (1955) The Quatermass Xperiment (1955 - Questionable Status) Journey to the Beginning of Time, AKA Cesta do Praveku (1955) Forbidden Planet (1956) X the Unknown (1956) Rodan (1956) The Beast from Hollow Mountain (1956) Attack of the Crab Monsters (February 10th, 1957) Kronos (April 1957) The Deadly Mantis (May 1957) Monster from Green Hell (May 1957) Quatermass 2 AKA Enemy from Space (May 24 1957) The Giant Claw (June 1957) 20 Million Miles to Earth (June 1957) The Monster That Challenged the World (June 1957) The Cyclops (July 28th, 1957) The Land Unknown (August 1957) The Black Scorpion (October 11th, 1957) The Amazing Colossal Man (October 25th, 1957) The Monolith Monsters (December 1957) Night of the Demon AKA Curse of the Demon (December 17 1957) The Mysterians (December 28 1957) Beginning of the End (1957) Varan the Unbelievable (1958 and 1960 American Cut) Attack of the 50 Foot Woman (1958) The Blob (1958) War of the Colossal Beast (1958) Earth vs. The Spider (1958) The Trollenberg Terror AKA The Crawling Eye (1958) The 7th Voyage of Sinbad (1958) The Strange World of Planet X, AKA The Cosmic Monsters (December 31,1958) The Viking Women and the Sea Serpent (1958) The 30 Foot Bride of Candy Rock (1959) Attack of the Giant Leeches (1959 - Questionable Status) Behemoth, the Sea Monster AKA The Giant Behemoth (1959) Caltiki - The Immortal Monster (1959) The Giant Gila Monster (1959) The Angry Red Planet (1959) The Atomic Submarine (1959) Prince of Space (March 19th 1959) Have Rocket, Will Travel (1959) Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959) Teenagers from Outer Space (1959) Terror in the Midnight Sun, AKA Space Invasion of Lapland; Invasion of the Animal People (1959) Tuko sa Madre Kakaw, AKA Gecko in Madre Cacao (1959 - Presumed Lost) SPECIAL EPISODE - Toho's Non-Giants, Part 1: Battle in Outer Space, The H-Man, Invisible Man, and Half Human 1950's Retrospective: The Golden Age of American Giant Monster Movies / Special 1957 Alone Retrospective Dinosaurus! (1960) The Lost World (1960) SPECIAL EPISODE - The Lost World of Irwin Allan's Stock Footage! Battle of the Worlds (1961) Konga (1961) Gorgo (1961) Mothra (1961) Reptilicus (1961) The Mysterious Island (1961) Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (1961) Valley of the Dragons (November 1961) Gorath (1962) King Kong vs Godzilla (1962) Planeta Bur, AKA Planet of the Storms (1962) Journey to the Seventh Planet (1962) Jack the Giant Killer (1962) Kujira Gami AKA The Whale God (1962 - Questionable Status) The Magic Sword (1962) Atragon (1963) SPECIAL EPISODE - Toho's Non-Giants, Part 2: The Secret of the Telegian, The Human Vapour, The Last War, and Matango: Attack of the Mushroom People Captain Sinbad (1963) Shikari (1963) Mothra vs. Godzilla, AKA Godzilla vs The Thing (1964) Dogora, the Space Monster (1964) The Creeping Terror (1964) Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster (1964) The Flesh Eaters (1964) Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (TV Series, September 14th 1964) Frankenstein Conquers the World (1965) Gamera (1965) Invasion of Astro-Monster, AKA Godzilla vs Monster Zero (1965) Village of the Giants (1965) Planet of the Prowl, AKA War Between the Planets (1965) Ultra Q (TV Series, January 2nd 1966) Godzilla vs The Sea Monster (1966) Gamera vs Barugon (1966) Daimajin (1966) Return of Daimajin (1966) Daimajin Strikes Again (1966) The Magic Serpent (1966) War of the Gargantuas (1966) SPECIAL EPISODE: All About That One Freaking Octopus! 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(1966) Ambassador Magma, AKA The Space Giants (TV Series, July 4th 1966) Ultraman (TV Series, July 17th 1966) Gogola (1966 - Presumed Lost) Around the World Under The Sea (1966) Doctor Who: The Macra Terror (March 11th, 1967 - Presumed Lost) King Kong Escapes (1967) Gamera vs. Gyaos (1967) Son of Godzilla (1967) Gappa the Triphibian Monsters (1967) Yongary, Monster from the Deep (1967) The X from Outer Space (1967) The Herculoids (TV Series, September 9th 1967 - January 6th 1968) Ultra Seven (TV Series, October 1st, 1967) Giant Robo, AKA Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot (TV Series, October 11th 1967) Monster Wangmagwi (1967 - Presumed Lost) Agon, the Atomic Dragon, AKA Giant Phantom Monster Agon (January 2nd, 1968 - Originally 1964) Doctor Who: Fury from the Deep (March 16th, 1968 - Presumed Lost) Land of the Giants (TV Series, September 22nd 1968) Gamera vs. Viras (1968) Destroy All Monsters (1968) The Lost Continent (1968) Gamera vs. Guiron (1969) All Monsters Attack (1969) Latitude Zero (1969) The Valley of Gwangi (1969) Captain Nemo and the Underwater City (1969) It's Alive (1969) The Mighty Gorga (1969) Devil Fighter (Taiwanese, 1969) 1960's Retrospective: Godzilla, Harryhausen, and Beyond Gamera vs Jiger (1970) Space Amoeba (1970) Equinox (1970) When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (1970) Young Flying Hero, AKA Return of the Magic Serpent (1970) Doctor Who: The Claws of Axos (March 13th, 1971 - Questionable Status) Doctor Who: The Daemons (May 22nd, 1971) Gamera vs Zigra (1971) Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971) Tsu Hong Wu (Taiwanese, 1971) Doctor Who: The Time Monster (May 20th, 1972 - Questionable Status) Godzilla vs Gigan (1972) Night of the Lepus (1972) Daigoro vs Goliath (1972) The Cremators (1972) Beware! The Blob, AKA Son of Blob (1972) Iron King (TV Series, October 8th 1972 - April 8th 1973) Doctor Who: Carnival of Monsters (January 27th, 1973) Godzilla vs. Megalon (1973) Digby, the Biggest Dog in the World (1973) Fantastic Planet (1973) The Neptune Factor (1973) Doctor Who: Invasion of the Dinosaurs (January 12th, 1973) Doctor Who: Planet of the Spiders (May 4th, 1973) Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974) Darna and the Giants (1974) Doctor Who: Robot (December 28th 1974) Land of the Lost (TV Series, September 7th 1974 - December 4th 1976) The Giant Spider Invasion (1975) Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975) The Land That Time Forgot (1975) The Super Inframan (1975) SPECIAL EPISODE: Jaws (June 20th 1975) Doctor Who: Terror of the Zygons (August 30th 1975) Doctor Who: Planet of Evil (September 27th, 1975) Doctor Who: The Seeds of Doom (January 31st, 1976) At the Earth's Core (1976) King Kong (1976) A*P*E (1976) Queen Kong (1976) The Food of the Gods (1976) The Milpitas Monster (1976) War God, AKA Guan Yu (1976) The Mighty Peking Man (1977) Empire of the Ants (1977) The Legend of the Dinosaurs and Monster Birds (1977) The People That Time Forgot (1977) The Crater Lake Monster (1977) Tentacles (1977) Jabberwocky (1977 - Questionable Status) The Last Dinosaur (1977) Yeti: Giant of the 20th Century (1977) SPECIAL EPISODE: Orca: The Killer Whale (July 22nd 1977) Sea God and Ghosts (Taiwanese, 1977) Costinha and King Mong (Brazil, 1977) - http://tarstarkas.net/2012/02/costinha-e-o-king-mong/ Futo (1977, Short Film by Minora Kawasaki - Unconfirmed Status) Planet of the Dinosaurs (1978) Warlords of Atlantis (1978) SPECIAL EPISODE: Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds (September 6th 1978) Doctor Who: The Power of Kroll (December 23rd 1978) Up From the Depths (1979) The 6 Ultra Brothers vs The Monster Army (1979) Arabian Adventure (1979) Doctor Who: The Creature from the Pit (October 27th 1979 - Questionable Status) 1970's Retrospective: The Death-Star Killed King Kong Crocodile (February 15, 1980, or 1979) Super Monster Gamera (1980) Alligator (1980) Island Claws (1980) Monster, AKA Monstroid: It Came from the Lake; The Toxic Horror (1980) Utahime Makai O Yuku, AKA Diva in the Underworld (1980 - Unconfirmed Status) Doctor Who: State of Decay (November 22nd 1980 - Questionable Status) Caveman (April 17th 1981) Dragonslayer (1981) The Loch Ness Horror (1981) Mystery on Monster Island (1981) Blood Beach (1981 - Questionable Status) Q - The Winged Serpent (1982) The Flight of Dragons (1982) Brain 17 (1982, based on Daitetsujin 17) Attack of the Super Monsters (1982, based on Dinosaur War Izenborg) The Fairy and the Devil (Taiwanese, 1982) The Phoenix, AKA War of the Wizards (1983) Krull (1983) Return of Ultraman (1983, Short Film) Return of the Dinosaurs (1983, based on Dinosaur Catchers Born Free) The Return of Godzilla (1984) / Godzilla 1985 (American Version) Hydra - Monster of the Deep, AKA Serpiente de Mer; Hydra the Sea Serpent (1984) Monster Shark, AKA Devil Fish (1984) The Flying Monster (South Korea, 1984) - http://unknownkino.blogspot.com/2010/08/flying-monster-1984.html The NeverEnding Story (April 6th 1984) Ghostbusters (June 7th 1984) Ultraman Story (July 14, 1984) Pulgasari (1985) Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (1985) Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend (1985) Space Warriors 2000 (1985) Return to Oz (June 21st 1985) Eight-Headed Giant Serpent's Counterattack, AKA Yamata no Orochi no Gyakushu (December 1985) The Real Ghostbusters (TV Series, September 13th 1986) King Kong Lives (1986) The Gate (1987) Ganjasaurus Rex (1987) Invasion Earth: The Aliens Are Here (1987) The Blob (1988) Thunder of Gigantic Serpent, AKA Daai se Wong (1988) The Brain (1988 - Unconfirmed Status) The Lair of the White Worm (1988 - Questionable Status) Night of the Beast (Mexico, 1988) - http://www.clubdesmonstres.com/best/htm/nochedlb.htm Killer Klowns from Outer Space (May 27th 1988) The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (December 8th 1988) Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989) Gunhed (1989) Moontrap (April 28th 1989) Ghostbusters II (June 16th 1989 - Questionable Status) Deepstar Six (1989) Alien from the Deep, AKA Alien from the Abyss (1989) The BFG (December 25, 1989) Endless Descent (1989) 1980's Retrospective Tremors (1990) Ultra Q the Movie: Legend from the Stars (1990) Robot Jox (1990) Youkai Tengoku: Ghost Hero, AKA Monster Heaven (1990) - http://blackholereviews.blogspot.com/2007/03/yokai-tengoku-ghost-hero-1990-vcd.html Godzilla vs King Ghidorah (1991) A Nymphoid Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell, AKA Dark Fortress (1991) Roujin Z (September 14th, 1991) Godzilla vs Mothra (1992) Dai Yogen: Fukkatsu no Kyoshin, AKA Fatal Prediction: Return of the Huge Destroyer (1992) The Adventures of the Kung-Fu Rascals (1992) Invader (1992) Jurassic Park (1993) Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla II (1993) Robot Wars (1993) The Magic Crane (1993) Attack of the 50 Ft. Woman (December 11th 1993) Kamen Rider J (April 16, 1994) Godzilla vs Space Godzilla (1994) Orochi the Eight Headed Dragon, AKA Yamato Takeru (1994) Dragonworld (1994) Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie (1995) Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) Godzilla vs Destroyah (1995) Magic in the Water (1995) Attack of the 60-Foot Centerfolds (1995) Young Gu and the Dinosaur Zuzu (1995) Gamera 2: Attack of Legion (1996) Rebirth of Mothra (1996) Dragonheart (1996) Tremors 2: Aftershocks (1996) The Adventures of Galgameth (Noverber 18th, 1996) Zarkorr! The Invader (1996) Aatank, AKA Bollywood Jaws (1996) The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997) Rebirth of Mothra II (1997) Robo Warriors (1997) Turbo: A Power Rangers Movie (1997) Moon Over Tao: Makaraga (1997) Vulcan, AKA Anak Ng Bulkan (Phillipines / US 1997) Phantoms (January 23, 1998) Deep Rising (1998) Gargantua (1998) Godzilla (1998) Kraa! The Sea Monster (1998) Mothra 3: King Ghidorah Attacks, AKA Rebirth of Mothra III (1998) Ultraman Tiga and Ultraman Dyna: Warriors of Light (1998) Godzilla: The Animated Series (TV Series, 1998 - 2000) The Mighty Kong (1998) Giant Monsters Appear in Tokyo (1998) SPECIAL EPISODE: Mystery Science Theater 3000 (1988-1999...And Beyond? The Hell?!?) Gamera 3: The Revenge of Irys (1999) The Iron Giant (1999) Godzilla 2000 (1999) Ultraman Gaia: Battle in Hyperspace (1999) The Attack of the Giant Moussaka (December 24, 1999) 1990's Retrospective: The Rise of the CGI Dinosaurs...Yay? Reptilian, AKA Youngarry (1999-2001) Godzilla vs Megaguirus (2000) Ultraman Tiga: The Final Odyssey (2000) Spiders (2000) Doreijuu, AKA Slave Beast (2000 - Unconfirmed Status) Sakuya: Slayer of Demons (2000) Jurassic Park III (2001) Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (2001) Tremors 3: Back to Perfection (2001) Ultraman Cosmos: First Contact (2001) Jack and the Beanstalk: The Real Story (December 2nd - 4th 2001) Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002) Eight Legged Freaks (2002) Ultraman Cosmos: The Blue Planet (2002) Reign of Fire (2002) Godzilla: Tokyo SOS (2003) Ultraman Cosmos vs Ultraman Justice: The Final Battle (2003) Evil Alien Conquerors (December 3, 2003) Creepies (2003) Deep Shock (2003) Arachnia (2003) Ultraman the Next (2004) Godzilla: Final Wars (2004) Tremors 4: The Legend Begins (2004) Garuda (2004) Boa vs. Python (2004) Monster Island (2004) Incident at Loch Ness (2004) Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004) Dragon Storm (2004) Zebraman (2004) King Kong (2005) The Call of Cthulhu (2005) The Fallen Ones (2005) Deep Sea Beast Reigo (2005) Creepies 2 (2005) Mee-Shee: The Water Giant (2005) Negadon: The Monster from Mars (Short Film, 2005) Tetsujin 28 (2005) Kong: King of Atlantis (2005) King of the Lost World (2005) War of the Worlds (June 28th 2005) A Sound of Thunder (September 2nd 2005) The Naked Monster, AKA Attack of the B-Movie Monster (2005) The Host, AKA Gwoemul (2006) Gamera the Brave (2006) Ultraman Mebius and Ultra Brothers (2006) Kong: Return to the Jungle (2006) Kraken: Tentacles of the Deep, AKA Deadly Water (2006) Caved In: Prehistoric Terror (2006) Monster House (July 21st 2006) Mil Mascaras Vs. The Aztec Mummy (2006 - Unconfirmed Status) Bacterium (2006) D-War, AKA Dragon Wars (2007) The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep (2007) Big Man Japan (2007) The Mist (November 21st 2007) Robo Rokku, AKA Robo Rock (2007) The Foghorn (Short Film, 2007) Cloverfield (2008) Decisive Battle! The Eight Super Ultra Brothers (2008) Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008) The Monster X Strikes Back: Attack the G8 Summit (2008) Monster (The Asylum, 2008) Monsters vs Aliens (2009) Demeking, the Sea Monster (2009) Deep Sea Monster Raiga (2009) Mega Monster Battle: Ultra Galaxy Legends The Movie (2009) Gehara: The Long and Dark-Haired Monster (Short Film, 2009) Mega Shark Versus Giant Octopus (2009) Land of the Lost (June 5th 2009) Godzilla x The Kaiju Killer (Fan Film, 2009) God of Clay (Short Film, 2009 / 2011) Mongolian Death Worm (2010) Behemoth (2010) Death Kappa (2010) The Troll Hunter (2010) Sharktopus (2010) Moby Dick: 2010 (2010...duh) The Millennium Bug (2010) Mega Piranha (April 10, 2010) Altitude (October 26, 2010 - Unconfirmed Status) Monsters (October 29, 2010) Banglar King Kong (2010) Triassic Attack (November 27, 2010) Mega Shark Versus Crocosaurus (December 21, 2010) The Man Who Summons Kaiju, AKA Kaiju Wo Yobu Otoko (2010) Megaconda (2010) Mega Python vs. Gatoroid (2011) The Dragon Pearl (2011) Super Shark (2011) The Terror Beneath, AKA Seeds of Destruction (October 8, 2011) Henge (2011- Questionable Status) Grabbers (January 23, 2012) Arachnoquake (2012) Journey 2: The Mysterious Island (2012) 2-Headed Shark Attack (2012) Piranhaconda (2012) Bigfoot (2012) Giant God Warrior Appears In Tokyo (Short Film, 2012) Jack the Giant Slayer (2013) Mememe no Kurage, AKA Jellyfish Eyes (2013) Peter and the Colossus (2013...Unmade / Unreleased?) Spiders 3D (2013) Atlantic Rim (June 24, 2013) Pacific Rim (July 1, 2013) Poseidon Rex (October 21, 2013) Big rear end Spider (October 18, 2013) Zella: Monster Martial Law (Short Film, 2013) Mega Shark Versus Mecha Shark (January 28, 2014) Bermuda Tentacles, AKA Dark Rising (April 4, 2014) Godzilla (May 8, 2014) Earth Defense Widow, AKA Chikyuu Bouei Miboujin (2014) Sharktopus vs Pteracuda (August 2, 2014) Tremors 5: Bloodlines (October 6, 2015) Jurassic World (June 12th 2015) Mega Shark Versus Kolossus (July 7, 2015) Attack on Titan: the Movie, Part 1 (July 14, 2015) Pixels (July 24, 2015) Attack On Titan: End of the World, AKA Attack On Titan: the Movie, Part 2 (September 19, 2015) Queen Crab (September 29th 2015) Love & Peace (2015) 10 Cloverfield Lane (2016) Kong: King of the Apes (TV Series, April 1st, 2016) Voltron: Legendary Defender (TV Series, June 10th 2016) The BFG (July 1, 2016) Shin Godzilla (July 29, 2016) Colossal (2016) Daikaiju Mono (2016) Warrior Goddess Kanan (Short Film, 2016...?) 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I don't post much in C/D, but I'm definitely an embiggened monster fan and will be following. Any particular reason you included the 98 Godzilla cartoon but not the 78 one? Though there are a lot of series left out on the list, presumably because you want to focus on movies. I wouldn't be all that shocked if a handful of embiggened animal movies are still missing from the list, especially 21st century sci-fi channel entries.
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Choco1980 posted:I don't post much in C/D, but I'm definitely an embiggened monster fan and will be following. For series, I mostly do intend to keep a much, MUCH less in-depth view on them. I think when I made the list, though, I was thinking of combining 78 and 98 because they are shockingly similar series when you get right down to it. They pretty much are the exact same show, just made twenty years apart with the differences in style and animation you would expect. If I went over every series focused on giant monsters, man I would never be done. I mostly picked ones I have a history with for this list. Also yeah, there was a serious conversation in my very soul on if all of the SciFi originals should count...they do so they will. If I miss any, please call me out so I can just throw my head into the bucket and bob for more of the loving things. Hope you enjoy the ride!
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So, up first is, of course, the first ever giant monster movie- Conquest Of The Pole. As a small aside, I will be following this up, in this same post, with the review for Ghost of Slumber Mountain due to the nature of the latter film. Jointly, the two films are without a doubt vital to giant monster, and even cinematic, history. Conquest of the Pole was made in 1912. This is vital to stress, seeing as not only is that over a century old, which is easy to take for granted given that it is a silent film and those are, by default, 'old'. It's vital to keep in mind, however, because this film predates what we really consider Modern Film Making. The first truly modern movie would come just three years later, 1915's Birth of a Nation, which laid the ground work for what we would consider a feature film. This film predates German Expressionism, and many techniques that would become the standard, though it certainly was not made by an amateur. I take great pains to bring this up because visually this is a fabulous film. It runs only 35 minutes, but despite that it has a very clear and straight forward narrative, vaguely based on the works of Jules Verne, as was the earlier Trip to the Moon by the same director. The visuals of the film are very ambitious and inventive, and the quality of the film has been preserved as well as one could hope. You get just about every film technique available at the time on display here, some that are very impressive to have been able to pull off in one shot even. I cannot stress how imaginative the film is, with a cartoonish environment that had to of inspired the later cartoons of the 20s, 30s and 40s, that involved anything and everything coming to life. Notably, planets and constellations interact with the main characters as they fly across a living sky. The effects are dated even by other films from the 1910s, but all of those come after this movie. Cinema, at this stage in history, was rapidly evolving. This was a huge leap forward from A Trip to the Moon, or even from Edison's Frankenstein made only 2 years prior. Praise for what the movie is, how it was made, and how it looks cannot be overstated. Even that they managed to fit such a well rounded and contained storyline without needing any dialogue at all. Sadly the praise ends the moment you get to the content because that's when the fact that this is 1912 rears its ugly head. Even though this is a film made in France, this film is shockingly, weirdly racist. The basic plot is that a bunch of nationals devise devices to get to the North Pole first. However, outside of the French protagonists, most of the rest do not fare well. The Japanese man the film portrays in full kimono with his hair done in that Samurai bun style, and very clearly just a white guy who is squinting. The man from Mexico is constantly dressed up like some stereotype from a Speedy Gonzales cartoon. The man from China is so shockingly off base that it's frankly hard to tell WHAT stereotype he was meant to be. But you know this is a movie from 1912, so of course it's going to be a little racist. That's unfortunate but something you cannot avoid. I do question why there is an extended subplot about the Suffragette movement where they are presented as shrieking harpies who don't know any better and are belittled and insulted. And groped at one point. Basically if you're going to sit down with this film, and that kind of stuff bothers you- you know, naked sexism and racism...yeah not a whole lot to say for you. If you can accept it for what the movie truly is about, which are top to bottom the visuals, then you'll be fine. I really wish this was the last movie I'd have to talk about racism in, but oh boy it's not going to be Now to get down to the main event. The monster of the evening. The Giant of the Snow. This frost giant is cinema's first true giant monster, and not just a sight gag like the giant scorpion from earlier in the film. It is presented eerily like giant monsters would be in the future as well, foretelling how the conflict with them would continue. Namely, it attacks the main characters and is immune to basic fire arms and weapons, taking a special weapon, in this case a cannon, to bring it down. What is extremely impressive about the creature is how it is brought to life. The snow giant is a giant marionette, puppeteer-ed by 12 or so operators, and it is to scale, dwarfing the human cast. So big in fact that, in one of the most memorable moments of the whole thing, it swallows one of the heroes whole. The design of the thing is that of a giant frost bitten yeti, dressed up in...stereotypical clothing, smoking a great big pipe. He fits completely with the outlandish and unrealistic setting, and is just such a bizarre but brilliant creation. He calls forward to the likes of King Kong in how he attacks the heroes, just obviously scaled down, and even his screen time, roughly 3 to 5 minutes of 35, is proportional to what cinematic monsters would tend to get in full length feature films. He is given a lot of personality both thanks to, and in spite of, how it is handled, and is kind of a summary for the film as a whole. Visually excellent for the era, detail wise very flawed. Following this I gave Ghost of Hollow Mountain, 1919, a looksee, as it was only 19 minutes long. This movie is, no joke, the direct ancestor of all giant monster movies ever. From this comes all else. All your Sharktopuses, all your 50 Foot Women, all of your Mothras and Gameras They all come back to this. This is Willis O'Brien's premiere film, his first ever stop motion animation effort to make it to the big screen, the thing that made him a big name and opened the doors to the Lost World and, ultimately, King Kong. Allow me to sufficiently and sublimely describe the plot of this titanic masterpiece of cinema and splendor. An uncle tells his nephews of the time he and a close personal male friend went to the mountains so that his male friend could strip naked and pose like a faun for him to draw. Aroused by thoughts of Mad Dick, the uncle found dinosaurs in the mists of the mountain only to be woken up by his friend laughing at him prematurely firing his gun. Also there was a ghost. The End. If there was ever a movie I was convinced was made by time travelers specifically to gently caress with me, this would be it folks. Everything I wrote is factual, all of it in the finished film, check youtube it's loving up there, it is 19 minutes of a movie filled with homoerotic subtext and dinosaurs. Also holy poo poo this might be the most important 19 minute dinosaur flick without real dinosaurs ever. I don't know when triceratops VS T-Rex became a Thing in fiction, but if this movie didn't start it I would be shocked because that's the main event. Though I'll touch on that in a moment. The dinosaur stuff is actually really impressive for the time, though part of it is helped by the fact that the film quality is very poor. It helps to hide some of the jankiness of the stop motion and likely poor quality of the models, with one big exception. The part where I give the movie total and complete kudos is when the main character declares he sees a strange bird, I honestly thought "okay, it's just gonna be a pterodactyl" but no. It was an honest to god Prehistoric Bird, with a really neat ugly design. The most boring one was the brontosaurus, though that will be rectified in the next film we cover, as it was mostly a "look, it moves and is alive!" thing for the audience. The bird is a personal favorite due to how sure I was that it wouldn't be a bird, and also for blending into the environment really well. After that we got two triceratops who fought over territory, as you do...and the main event. The first ever monster fight in cinema history, T-Rex VS Triceratops. You can immediately see where all other such fights, including Godzilla VS Angirus from the 55 film Raids Again, originate from here. The T-Rex model is easily the stand out, given a working tongue for a memorable bit of animation, and easily the most detail of all of them short of the bird. The fight is short and brutal, stomping and chomping abound. We even get a brief bit following it of the main character firing at the T-Rex to little effect, cementing this as the blue print of all monster films that it would spawn. While Conquest of the Pole is a better movie, and is unarguably the first- this is effectively the start. This film is what gave O'Brien his career, without which it is doubtful we could have had the films he worked on and made a reality. Everything comes back to this, and unlike the first film, or the next two, there's no racism either! Now I'm off to the mountains to find Mad Dick. When I return, I'll have tales of even more impressive stop motion dinosaurs Aaaaaaaaaaaaand black face. loving Christ 1925 why
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I'll be reading this thread. It's an ambitious list, consider compiling everything into a PDF or something when you've finished. Also, the Kong trailer just released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9y6oPka3us
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Nov 17, 2016 07:21
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Nov 17, 2016 08:05
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Great thread! Need to see Conquest of the Pole sometime.
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Nov 17, 2016 08:35
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'll be reading this thread. It's an ambitious list, consider compiling everything into a PDF or something when you've finished.  That giant water buffalo looks amazing.
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Nov 17, 2016 21:22
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'll be reading this thread. It's an ambitious list, consider compiling everything into a PDF or something when you've finished. The joy of this thread is that it will never run out of material. The fear of this thread is how much of that material is garbage The even greater joy is how much of it is stuff like this. I hope this movie exceeds expectations because God drat.
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Nov 17, 2016 21:31
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I fully support this lofty endeavor.
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Nov 17, 2016 22:23
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This is an insane project that I, as a devoted giant monster fan, approve of 100%. Will be watching closely, and I'll make sure to let you know when your opinions are wrong.
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Nov 18, 2016 20:47
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The Conquest of the Pole was a really fun movie with all the imagination and sense of adventure as Georges Méliès' previous films. The air travel sequence was a bit monotonous, but once they arrive at the north pole, oh boy. The Snow Giant is somethin' else.
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Nov 18, 2016 20:54
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Spatulater bro! posted:The Conquest of the Pole was a really fun movie with all the imagination and sense of adventure as Georges Méliès' previous films. The air travel sequence was a bit monotonous, but once they arrive at the north pole, oh boy. The Snow Giant is somethin' else. That looks like something out of a Rob Zombie concert.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:06
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Detective No. 27 posted:That looks like something out of a Rob Zombie concert. It's a wobbly, googly-eyed oddity for sure.
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I felt in fairness, I should watch these two films, so I did tonight. I'd say a lot of what Burkion says I agree with. Especially with Slumber Mountain. There's quite the strong current of "male bonding" going on here. It's funny, the movie almost seems like two separate films shoehorned together, despite it's quick running time. Like, up until the dinos appear, it could very well be a Lovecraftian Weird Horror of the time, with plenty of mystery and strangeness. I definitely see how this was a real starting point for giant monsters fighting, and the stop-motion for the fights are top shelf surprisingly. The Pole is noteworthy because it was the last profitable film Melies made before going into bankruptcy (and eventually winding up running a toy shop in a French train station) and you can tell they gave it their all here. Melies' big problem in my experience is that he was kinda bad at writing worthwhile stories. However, he was a good director and a great special effects artist. This movie plods, but it also shines in the way the sets are designed, and in the way the special effects come off. I was especially taken both by the airplane factory, which seemed very busy with a lot of depth, and of course with the giant himself. His arms move in surprising ways for his size, making me think he must have been a gigantic marionette. The fight is probably the highpoint of the whole film, with some remarkable sophistication for the time. As an aside, something that I think has made his films harder for me to watch, is it seems like there's no original music on file for them. And every time I see one, there's usually very poorly arranged modern soundtracks that don't match things at all. It's really quite a shame.
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Quick thing for the thread if anyone can help me with this- The Mysterious Island, 1929, would anyone happen to know a good place to find this? I know that it was recently restored in 2013, but I cannot seem to find the full version of the movie anywhere. Was it not made available to the public? Most copies I can find tend to be shorter than the true runtime. If it's unable to be found in the restored version, then I'll make due with the copy I do have. Also anyone who wants to do their own reviews, like the one above this post, please by all means feel free. I love reading others thoughts on these films and Lord knows most of you can likely write up something better'n me.
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Nov 19, 2016 07:54
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Might this be what you're looking for? https://youtu.be/4YBtxyiDed4 I honestly don't know.
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Choco1980 posted:Might this be what you're looking for? This is useful to include for anyone who wants to follow, since it is next, but no, I'm specifically looking for the Mysterious Island. The 1929 film version. For years it was thought to be an incomplete film, but a full print of the, mostly sound, work was found some time in 2012 I believe and restored. I know it was shown off in 2013, but can't find any information on if it's been released to the general public since and trying to find a film from the 20s on DVD is about as hard as it would appear to be. The incomplete 1 hour -ish version is available easily enough and worst comes to worst I'll just review that when I get to it.
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Nov 19, 2016 09:38
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Wow, I completely and totally spaced on that. Read what you wrote and searched for an unrelated movie of a different title. The hell was I thinking??
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Nov 19, 2016 10:15
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Burkion posted:This is useful to include for anyone who wants to follow, since it is next, but no, I'm specifically looking for the Mysterious Island. The 1929 film version. Turner has it but not in their store, maybe email them?
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Dec 23, 2016 23:00
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I'll look into that, thanks Sorry about how slow things are being- Christmas time is being a nightmare for free time to watch super racist silent dinosaur movies. You'd think it wouldn't interfere and yet
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Burkion posted:I'll look into that, thanks My weekend job has recently become "sit for 12 hours in a room doing nothing" so I am watching a lot of movies. I pity you poor motherfuckers with "things to do" and "productive work". Wiki and the Turner Library have their version listed at 93 minutes, the difference between that and the 95 minutes is probably just frame rate.
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Dec 24, 2016 00:54
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Giant monster movie discussions are worth waiting for. 
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Watched both movies tonight. Turns out that John Carpenter's lost tracks and The Makeup and Vanity Set by Charles Park III make really good scores. Loved the name of the American in North Pole "BLUFF-ALLO-BILL." 
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Dec 25, 2016 03:33
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"Giant Monster" is not the prefered nomenclature. "Kaiju", please.
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FreudianSlippers posted:"Giant Monster" is not the prefered nomenclature. "Kaiju", please. That's if you're just talking about Japanese monster movies. We're still on stuff that predates Godzilla.
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Yeah, and in general, the Non Japanese films vastly outnumber the actual Kaiju films. We're nerds, we're nerdy enough to know the difference.
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Huh. I just blind bought that 2011 Godzilla movie box set because I've only seen like, 1 Japanese Godzilla movie. I will post thoughts on them as I watch. If I dig 'em, I'll snag the rest of the series.
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This is cool. But man, getting through a lot of those 50's monster flicks is going to be rough.
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There's a lot of good in the '50's too, though. Them! and Beast from 20,000 Fathoms are two of my all time favorites, and by 54 you get Gojira and 56 gave us Radon (Rodan). Kind of wish we still called him Radon, but I guess they thought it was too on the nose with all the miner and underground deaths. Edit: Oh, forgot about Varan the Unbelievable and the 7th Voyage of Sinbad. And Mighty Joe Young! Though, I guess that's really 49. Mecha Gojira fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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All those Doctor Who episodes but not the Star Trek ep "The Immunity Syndrome" where they fight a giant space amoeba? And you even have a movie named Space Amoeba, for shame. I would also make a strong thematic argument for "The Doomsday Machine". I didn't necro the thread just for that though, it looks like a great project and I hope someone who knows the OP can see if they're amenable to continuing it.
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McSpanky posted:All those Doctor Who episodes but not the Star Trek ep "The Immunity Syndrome" where they fight a giant space amoeba? And you even have a movie named Space Amoeba, for shame. I would also make a strong thematic argument for "The Doomsday Machine". Oh I will be. Truth be told, real life just hit like a bitch. Grandmother needed eye surgery- nothing major, relatively speaking, but super time consuming. I also have a project in the wings I may bring up here later, relatively related to the thread in fact that's been eating up other free time. Should be putting up the Lost World review tomorrow, and then doing what I can with Mysterious Island. And then the one I'm dreading, Sea Bat. Oh boy that one. As for your suggestion- honestly I completely forgot about that episode. And what the hell, Doomsday Machine is my single favorite Star Trek episode- might as well cover it too.
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Great to see this thread isn't dead. I still will probably try to watch semi-along with the thread, as in wait til after you get to your write-up to watch the films for myself. I'm a sucker for massive chronological retrospectives for some reason, and always a giant monster fan, so this is square my cup of tea.
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Honey I Shrunk the Kids needs to be on your list .
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Quad posted:Honey I Shrunk the Kids needs to be on your list I too thought about bringing up shrinking movies as a kind of inverse giant monster thing. Shrinking ends up making some common, innocuous or generally harmless element of our world into a serious obstacle for the diminutive protagonist, and almost always features animals, insects or machines taking on a role directly analogous to a giant monster. Similar themes are frequently explored, such as reframing man's place as the master of the natural world, going too far in the pursuit of science/knowledge, and sweet fights with big-rear end creatures (relatively speaking). If the OP wanted to digress in this direction, some suggestions might include the aforementioned HIStK, its sequel Honey I Blew Up the Baby, The Incredible Shrinking Man, Ant-Man, Innerspace, Fantastic Voyage, and the probable antecedent of all cinematic shrinking gags, Dr. Cyclops. Several Twilight Zone episodes undoubtedly fit the bill as well.
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Adding shrinking stuff would like triple the watch list.
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I was thinking more a special episode or two, but hey, it's Burkion's rodeo. I just think it's interesting how opposing approaches can cover the same themes, it's like cinematic convergent evolution.
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Review incoming a bit later, getting a few things together For shrinking movies, I'll definitely do a big special on them- but by their very nature they aren't exactly giant monster movies. However they do warrant a mention and discussion.
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So The Lost World 1925 Woo boy this one. This is a big one. Lots to unpack here. First and foremost, for those who would like to follow along at home, this movie, due to its age, is public domain. So you can find it drat near anywhere- I recommend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vcKwmMzXA this particular version, as near as I can tell it's about as complete a version you will find. You know, as a quick aside, I almost can't wait to get to Sea Bat. These early films are so daunting because of how loving important they are, how much they have defined and how much they have imprinted themselves on our collective consciousness. Beyond how important these films themselves are there is also their ties to literature, and apparently homosexual representation in Slumber Mountain, and what those works mean and how they impacted things. Sea Bat is just some piece of poo poo about a manta ray that I'm convinced is going to be a chore to sit through despite having Boris Karloff, Nils Asther and Raquel Torres. Thank the Lord for Mysterious Island 1929 for holding that one at bay for a bit longer! So that done, Lost World. Oh boy. I'm stalling yeah, so what? This movie is, in every way but literally, a prequel for King Kong. This is King Kong 0, Before Kong, though with an interesting wrinkle introduced that I'll touch on in a moment. This is the first true feature length monster movie, and has a distinct honor of having the author of the book, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, be involved in its creation. Which isn't too surprising, given Professor Challenger was his favorite character he ever created. He was proud enough to have shown the footage of the dinosaur effects off to much acclaim as well, and appears at the front of the movie briefly, depending on the copy you are watching. This is a movie that honestly feels way ahead of its time. I think, just about every single dinosaur adventure movie where present day protagonists enter a mysterious land that time forgot, all take something from this narrative. If it had sound, it wouldn't be surprising to see this movie easily slot into the 30s, 40s or even 50s. The narrative is a bit too limited to go much further, but only just. Even there, the sheer scope and scale of the dinosaur effects dwarfs most, if not all, of the similar dinosaur adventure films of the 60s and 70s, let alone those that came prior. The story follows along with the novel though with one very important change- in both, Challenger has found a hidden plateau in South America where prehistoric ecosystems thrive. He comes back, but has lost his proof, and must arrange a new mission to prove what he found. The difference here is the addition of the character Paula. Paula's father was a fellow scientist with Challenger, and was left behind- changing the mission to go back from one of just pride and science, to that of a rescue mission. It adds a bit more humanity to it, and gives it more purpose than just Great White Adventurers on safari. She is the key to the whole thing because she expands everything in just the right ways. One of those ways is the introduction of a love...square? Pentagram? Primarily it is just a love triangle. Our main character, a young reporter, is forced on the mission by his supposed love interest Gladys because she refuses to marry him until he does something brave and courageous. On the quest, however, he and Paula are quick to fall in love, despite the fact that the man funding the mission, Lord Roxton, also has feelings for the young woman. Despite being old enough to be her father. Yay 1920s yay. Anyways that aside, the inclusion of a love triangle like this, though not fully explored, calls forward to the complexities that characters could and would have in future films, and most importantly calls forward to the Serizawa/Ogata/Emiko triangle that makes up the heart and soul of Gojira 1954. I do have to wonder if this had any inspiration in that plot point in Gojira, which fully explored the concept to much success. It is about here that we reach the main drawback with the film. Despite running at, presently, a good hour and a half, the film is...frustrating. The plot is simple and elegant enough, they arrive at the place, run into dinosaurs, dinosaurs do dinosaur poo poo, Ape-Man harasses them and gets shot a bunch, and then a volcano goes crazy and they manage to escape. In any other movie, that would be it right there. Here, they find a Brontosaurus stuck in a mud pit, and some how- key word being SOMEHOW- capture it and bring it to London to show off. There an accident happens, it gets free, stomps around London for a bit and then falls into the London river. Paula and the main character declare their love for one another after Gladys reveals she got married while he was gone, and Roxton amicably allows them their happiness. The problem is, the movie really ends with the volcano eruption. That is the climax of the film in so many ways- the entire London adventure feels like an afterthought, which is a huge shame. The entire thing is rushed to the point where I have to wonder of O'Brien worked on test footage for Dinosaurs in a city and then they decided to throw it into the film despite making no sense narratively and having zero flow from scene to scene. This movie would have really benefited from being a good thirty minutes longer, and you can definitely see where King Kong saw the short comings and worked to improve them. I'll talk more about that during Kong, though. So the story kind of falls apart at the end, that's fine. What about the monster side of things? As I've already said, this is really drat impressive. The models are very stylized and unrealistic, some of the time, but that's because they're based on the artwork made for the novel. And frankly, while they're a bit primitive still, they are leaps and bounds better than O'Brien's previous attempt. In particular the breathing effects and the inside of their mouths are very impressive, and help sell the illusion that these are living creatures all the more. It does get a bit hard to tell the difference between certain dinosaurs, especially being more used to modern iterations, but that's one wonderful thing about this film. It is FULL of dinosaurs. Many, many different species, and lots of family groups and variations. The Allosaurus is the one carnivore called out by name, and the big show stopper the Brontosaurus is the only herbivore similarly identified. Despite being the only one to be called out, the Allosaurus actually kind of sucks. He gets beaten by a mother Triceratops, the human cast, and then disemboweled by what is apparently an Agathaumas. Then the T-Rex, uncredited and with three fingers, rolls up, kills the poo poo out of the same Agathaumus, murders a Pteradon even harder when it was just trying to fly by, and then picks a fight with a loving Brachiosaurus while the volcano is erupting and lava is everywhere. As per usual, do not gently caress with the T-Rex. Also, amusingly, this movie would have been decried as inaccurate solely for the usage of a Brontosaurus, they having been thought to be just Apatasaurus since 1903. Yet now, it's more accurate than ever. Thanks science, for bringing those back. Now get back to fixing Pluto please. So, the dinosaurs are really fantastic and are still a treat to see. They all act very natural, minus the one extra super pissed off T-Rex, and you can tell great care went into presenting them as animals first and foremost. While the big city rampage at the end is very truncated, it is genuinely impressive to see, and is actually our first ever city attack by a giant monster. Mark this one also down for the history books, because another even more important first happens- our first ever volcanic eruption in a monster movie. Dear God almighty, will we be seeing those again later. Weirdly enough the Brontosaurus gets to live, swimming off to Scotland or whatever, and despite heavy damage due to volcano, the dinosaurs themselves should be able to maintain their cozy ecosystem they've got. None of the main cast die, and only a few of the dinosaurs do. It's shockingly heart warming for one of these films, where it usually ends with dinosaur land forever destroyed and all of them dead and gone forever. Shame about the blackface. Every time a black character appears, which isn't super often but often enough, they're done by a white guy in black face and by God does it show. It's not even like they're played for laughs or made a joke of- they're treated like the other characters and in ANY OTHER CONTEXT, I would praise the film for that given the time it was made. But no, they had to be black faced. loving 1920s. If that's a deal breaker, I'm very sorry. All in all, this is a pretty breezy watch, and the effects on it are legendary. You can see how this got the wheels turning for Kong, and effectively jump started giant monster movies as the next big thing. Even if it didn't involve the search for Crazy Dick. Also small announcement- due to the fact that I was unable to secure a copy of the Mysterious Island 1929 in its more complete form, I will be skipping over that until a later time. Hopefully the restored version will make itself present to the public at large and we can all enjoy what it has to offer. Due to this, the next movie up is the Sea Bat, 1930 gently caress.
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