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Bongo Bill posted:Jar Jar is a clown, a buffoon, a hapless naif who entertains with slapstick, with his contrast to the composed and capable heroes, with his petty selfishness and low cunning. He learns nothing and is always at the mercy of chance. It's part of a long show business tradition that had all but died out in English language cinema by 1999, and Lucas and Best both approached the role as being a throwback to the age of film that was heavily influenced 19th century stage performance. He speaks a language of parody that is not in contemporary usage (because George Lucas always fills his movies with movie stuff he likes without regard for whether anybody else will get it) and contemporary audiences didn't know what to make of that kind of comic. Mostly correct except for his personality . I can't think of anything remotely selfish, petty or cunning he does. Quite the opposite!
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Blood Boils posted:Mostly correct except for his personality . I can't think of anything remotely selfish, petty or cunning he does. Quite the opposite! It's mostly in regards to snatching food.
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May 7, 2024 22:18
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yes. and it's not like his character is starving or anything. He's just stealing because he's a bastard.
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May 7, 2024 23:31
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I think the worst part of it is he doesnt even get away with it!!
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May 7, 2024 23:33
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmL2vnNsNcg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wJYwVDsmpo&t=236s
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May 7, 2024 23:35
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George Lucas has a bit of a fascination with the Noble Savage trope (going all the way back to wanting a tribe of Wookiees to be the ones to destroy the Death Star). Episode I is a movie where the villains are capitalist traders protesting taxation, and one of the major characters is bought and sold as property. It wouldn't be a stretch to think that Jar Jar stealing food from a vendor is just Lucas trying to illustrate how pure his culture is because he has no idea what commerce even is.
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May 7, 2024 23:41
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Robot Style posted:George Lucas has a bit of a fascination with the Noble Savage trope (going all the way back to wanting a tribe of Wookiees to be the ones to destroy the Death Star). Episode I is a movie where the villains are capitalist traders protesting taxation, and one of the major characters is bought and sold as property. It wouldn't be a stretch to think that Jar Jar stealing food from a vendor is just Lucas trying to illustrate how pure his culture is because he has no idea what commerce even is. That’s how I interpreted it. It just seems that the Gungans don't have a conception of limiting access to subsistence goods as saleable
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May 7, 2024 23:48
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the problem is jar jar does the shifty look both ways and sly bugs bunny esq smile before he does it. He knows what he's doing is wrong. The whole film is him not listening and never growing and I know I've already said this and I know someone is going to say "WELL THAT IS THE POINT" but its not narratively satisfying to me! Im taking Jar Jar as fresh as I can with this experience now watching it as an adult. He really is that bad. If he was lowered down a few octives, didn't speak so weird, and maybe was more clumsy than childish, he'd be more endearing.
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May 7, 2024 23:51
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He was told not to touch anything in Watto's shop and immediately schemes on touching things! Villain!!
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May 7, 2024 23:55
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i agree!
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Watching someone break the rules and disobey, but also do it sloppily, is torture. I forgot to mention in my list of notes from re-watching, but I liked when Qui-gon catches his tongue at dinner. Right after saying "you must have jedi reflexes if you race pods..." Edit: If GL did base Jar Jar on a toddler that explains a lot of his behavior, but no one likes watching a toddler misbehave lol Edit2: Things I like about Jar Jar - That he smashed the president of the gungan's car and was generally such a gently caress up that he got exiled - When asked how he got here he begins his story with explaining he ate breakfast - Referred to a story as an "othello" - Skeptical of the force like Han Solo - overall I like the way he talked, causes some of his lines to hit Edit: Ah poo poo I forgot to also mention in my notes, Qui-gon uses the force to knock Jar Jar out in the boat scene! Very hosed up thing to do, Qui-Gon!!! Jerkface fucked around with this message at 01:24 on May 8, 2024 |
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May 7, 2024 23:59
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Jar Jar Abrams
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May 8, 2024 00:11
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Qui gon and Obi wan are also incredibly bigoted in tpm so jar jar and Anakin exist as a foil to that. Jar jar's support in ep1 is vital to the plot and they treat him like dirt for it
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He's a loyal friend and is willing to help out with difficult and dangerous tasks despite the inevitability of ending up completely in over his head. His candor and outsider's perspective are key to saving his world. In-universe he's a hero who went from an exile to a leader, but from the perspective of the audience he's a hapless bumbler whose political career is undoubtedly as farcical as his military career. Clowning is layered.
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CelticPredator posted:Pulling up videos is a pain in the rear end on mobile but we see him glance over at the food at that venders cart and he looks both ways before he fuckin steals it. Then gets his rear end rocked. He gets choked out I got you fam https://youtu.be/NmL2vnNsNcg?si=U1eqPwJPuDT7YvMl Call me a shifty bastard if you like it don't bother me none but I steal food when I think it's feasible. Gale Weston and old Jimmy Patterson ain't no friends of mine! https://youtu.be/hdMzeZOZ48Y?si=XSPNJqinxkFGvb8_ He's clearly not very angry, he's just annoyed he has to tell this supposedly wise Jedi that it's rude to touch a Gungan's tongue without consent. That's how they eat! He is genuinely clumsy yes. Similar to Disney's Goofy I'd say. He is an adult; he was exiled specifically because he stole the boss' sweet ride and crashed it. Like Han Solo, Jarjar Binks' a pretty cool guy and a good friend to have, but no great respecter of property it's true. Why would he listen to quigon, that guy believes in poodoo like the force lol DeimosRising posted:That’s how I interpreted it. It just seems that the Gungans don't have a conception of limiting access to subsistence goods as saleable Or even better, they do know the concept and rightfully reject it! Blood Boils fucked around with this message at 02:44 on May 8, 2024 |
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May 8, 2024 02:42
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Good friends in Star Wars: fascist proponents and enforcers
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May 8, 2024 02:44
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Mods plz change thread title to 'The (character) Assassination of JarJar Binks by the Coward StarWar Fan'
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May 8, 2024 02:47
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Why does an aquatic species have these weird, stumpy elephant feet.
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god I forgot how bad the "i'm the only human that can do it" read is! Jar Jar would eat a baby if the mother didn't hang a sign on it that didn't say "crime, sentient creature, not a ham" or wasn't there to enforce said sign
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Robot Style posted:George Lucas has a bit of a fascination with the Noble Savage trope (going all the way back to wanting a tribe of Wookiees to be the ones to destroy the Death Star). Episode I is a movie where the villains are capitalist traders protesting taxation, and one of the major characters is bought and sold as property. It wouldn't be a stretch to think that Jar Jar stealing food from a vendor is just Lucas trying to illustrate how pure his culture is because he has no idea what commerce even is. he certainly doesn't know what a wupiupi is, but i think he'd have an idea that money can be exchanged for goods and services.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Why does an aquatic species have these weird, stumpy elephant feet. They're terrestrial too, like turtles Upsidads posted:god I forgot how bad the "i'm the only human that can do it" read is! But Anakin is correct to be proud, he is the only human pod racer in Mon espa, if not all jakku! So what's baby Yoda's excuse?
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banned from Starbucks posted:Why does an aquatic species have these weird, stumpy elephant feet. The Jedi meet Jar-Jar on the surface and the Gungans have an entire army that includes massive domesticated animals, they clearly don't spend their entire lives in the water.
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ungulateman posted:he certainly doesn't know what a wupiupi is, but i think he'd have an idea that money can be exchanged for goods and services. Knowing about currency (as Jar Jar clearly does) does not automatically translate to this specific type of privatization. Jar Jar Binks only sees this food on display in a public square, with no posted signage that I noticed. In Gungan society, that could easily mean “free samples”. And why not? Similar frogs were undoubtedly ubiquitous around the Gungan city. The only other way to read the scene - and this is a far weaker interpretation, mind - is that Jar Jar considers 7 Wupiupi an absurdly high price for a frog. Like, in his view, he was basically stealing a piece of penny candy. Like, who gives a poo poo? But that doesn’t work very well at all because Wupiupi are implicitly what the people of Tatooine specifically use in place of Republic credits. Jar Jar clearly doesn’t know what a Wupiupi is, as you note, and how would he? Also, it simply ignores performance. Jar Jar doesn’t behave at all as a thief. When the merchant stops him, he pauses and responds, confused.
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And why, after all, wouldn't a sea dweller adopt a seefood diet?
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Jerkface posted:
He might have done this, but he also said that he based Jar-Jar on Goofy, which tracks WAY more accurately. https://www.vulture.com/2015/08/george-lucas-says-jar-jar-was-based-on-goofy.html Jar-Jar is just Goofy in live-action. Let chaos reign.
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Goofy is a cool single dad. JarJar never scored.
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Jar Jar constantly fucks and cums raw (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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banned from Starbucks posted:Goofy is a cool single dad. JarJar never scored. There's an episode of the cartoons where he teams up with Mace Windu to kill Darth Maul's mum that suggests otherwise.
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May 8, 2024 05:09
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He screws darth mauls mom?
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I would say due to the success of the OG artifical actor Roger Rabbit being huge, George wanted a hosed up burn victim of Roger
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banned from Starbucks posted:He screws darth mauls mom? Of course not, she's a ghost and he's far more into the queen of that planet.
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I'm still pretty sure the main problem with TPM is that while it's better when you can see what they're trying to do, too much stuff just doesn't land properly in ways that were effortless by comparison in the OT. It's got a lot of throwbacks to old classics at least by Lucas' view, him being a sentimental type, but unfortunately it also manages to have a lot of the problems those things did too, and the reasons why they fell out of favour. Of course, some of it does land and work, that's what Star Wars has always been about. The thing is about classic cartoon characters is that, much like clowns, they do their very best to appear as random forces of chaos, unpredictable and bound by no law of man, physics or god, but they actually operate (when done right) by very strict rules of behaviour, drama and arc. They are often in fact quite nuanced and complex in practice, even if by the classic rules they typically never really learn or change. This is true in everything from classic Disney and Looney Tunes to Space Jam and Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and Roger Rabbit famously more or less spells out the formula and plays with how that interacts with human characters who are nominally less bound to dramatic convention. (But of course, are in their own way, and it's shown the rules can be and almost always are broken when the subversion IS the convention) And why cartoons feel 'off' and unsatisfying when in the hands of writers who don't understand that, because they're not following the rules properly and things are untethered, there isn't the proper setup and payoff.
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Upsidads posted:Jar Jar would eat a baby if the mother didn't hang a sign on it that didn't say "crime, sentient creature, not a ham" or wasn't there to enforce said sign The Grogu gambit
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banned from Starbucks posted:Goofy is a cool single dad. Only to Max, his second son. Poor George, nobody remembers him. What keep happening to Goofy's wives?? Bongo Bill posted:And why, after all, wouldn't a sea dweller adopt a seefood diet? Lol booooo Blood Boils fucked around with this message at 06:04 on May 8, 2024 |
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May 8, 2024 06:01
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Change the thread title to Jar Jar Binks is a bastard
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Vim Fuego posted:The Grogu gambit Now I realise Grogu is basically Jar Jar Binks done right.
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Grogu performed unauthorized abortion
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Now I realise Grogu is basically Jar Jar Binks done right. They're not even remotely alike! CelticPredator posted:Change the thread title to Jar Jar Binks is a bastard In order to make that happen you'd probably have to give an actual example of him being bastardly
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Now I realise Grogu is basically Jar Jar Binks done right. This is the worst post I have ever seen in a Star Wars thread
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Jar Jar is a fuckin bastard gungan who should’ve been finished off by sebolba
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