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Also I think it's a more western fable. People in Japan may not be too familiar with it.
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It's bad writing. The show told the fable in the first couple of episodes, and telling it again hits the viewer in the head with it. Granted, Megalobox's metaphors are blunt, but still.
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Jun 8, 2018 19:30
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Unmature posted:With only three episodes left I really don't see them building to the same end as Tomorrow's Joe. it kinda cant. they haven't earned the rikiishi/joe | yuri|joe relationship in the same way. that pivot point makes the latter half of the story, particularly the kim and especially the jose fight a lot more meaningful
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Jun 8, 2018 19:33
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MonsterEnvy posted:Also I think it's a more western fable. People in Japan may not be too familiar with it. Yep, it first showed up in the fifties as a retelling of an old Persian story called the Scorpion and the Tortoise.
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Jun 8, 2018 19:45
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Frog: But why did you sting me? Scorpion: Gotta.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:06
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tbp posted:it kinda cant. they haven't earned the rikiishi/joe | yuri|joe relationship in the same way. that pivot point makes the latter half of the story, particularly the kim and especially the jose fight a lot more meaningful I don't think it can simply because the narrative logic is different here. Jose says it in the final fight of the original: He's scared of death because he has a family, Joe isn't and is willing to burn out his life entirely in the ring. In the case of Megalo Box, Junk Dog is the one with a future to care about, even if he doesn't say it himself: JD represents the poor of his world getting opportunities and breaking free from the walls between them and District people. If he actually does die in the ring, it reinforces that they're just fuel for the meat grinder of the District, and I don't think Megalo Box plans to end that way.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:08
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"But now we shall both surely drown!" "Lol," replied the scorpion, "lmao"
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Jun 8, 2018 20:32
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I didn't like the big retelling of the fable either, and I also thought the scene with Sachio and the knife didn't really work. We don't need to see him make the choice to beat Shirato through boxing because we already understand that from the moment he looked at the picture beneath his hat. We didn't need a retelling of the fable for similar reasons. Maybe I'm extrapoling this too far but it seems like the visual direction is outpacing the script
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Jun 8, 2018 21:30
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I would have rather had a longer fight between Pepe and Yuri than one or both of those scenes. I was excited for some non-Joe high level Megalobox. But that's beyons the scope of this series it seems
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Jun 8, 2018 21:43
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I guess that means the show is doing it's job because now I want to go back to the original Joe
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Jun 8, 2018 21:45
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GorfZaplen posted:I didn't like the big retelling of the fable either, and I also thought the scene with Sachio and the knife didn't really work. We don't need to see him make the choice to beat Shirato through boxing because we already understand that from the moment he looked at the picture beneath his hat. We didn't need a retelling of the fable for similar reasons. Maybe I'm extrapoling this too far but it seems like the visual direction is outpacing the script I don't recall the fable being reiterated earlier in the show, but if it was then yea, it being explained again is a waste. That said, I don't think the scene with Sachio contemplating his revenge on Shirato is a waste or that the scene of him looking at the picture in his hat is enough on it's own, mostly because I think it's good to have Sachio consciously make that decision on screen rather than Joe beating Yuri to show integrated tech isn't all that just being something that happens that is compatible with his desires.
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Jun 8, 2018 21:53
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tsob posted:I don't recall the fable being reiterated earlier in the show, but if it was then yea, it being explained again is a waste. That said, I don't think the scene with Sachio contemplating his revenge on Shirato is a waste or that the scene of him looking at the picture in his hat is enough on it's own, mostly because I think it's good to have Sachio consciously make that decision on screen rather than Joe beating Yuri to show integrated tech isn't all that just being something that happens that is compatible with his desires. Well. It was just weird to me that the choice was between murder and boxing. It was an extreme choice that didn't feel earned by the show, to me.
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Jun 8, 2018 21:57
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It's weirder to me that his revenge for his father being murdered to steal integrated tech is "destroy the technology my dad invented publicly to discredit it's thieves". I mean yea, it makes absolute sense thematically and it's not even all that unbelievable emotionally for Sachio; I just think it's a conclusion the show should have given him more room to come to. Not in a "choose between killing Shirato and destroying faith in her product", but in a "is this what I really want and the best way to go after they killed my dad". The choice is secondary to the motives behind it, which I think could have used a bit more spotlight.
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Jun 8, 2018 22:02
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Rohan Kishibe posted:Probably my favourite episode so far. Yuri is real fun to watch box. I dunno much about boxing, but from the thread I was cognizant of a lot of footwork and such this time. I just took a couple high school classes, so I'm barely a half step above nothing, but it sure sounded like Spanish. And since Burroughs was speaking English, it makes sense that he wouldn't be speaking Japanese.
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Jun 8, 2018 23:25
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i would err on the side of it being Spanish even though i only noticed it sounded like Spanish at the tail end. his lines had JP subs so it was likely not Japanese, accented or otherwise.
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Jun 8, 2018 23:36
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It is absolutely Spanish, and it's even fluent. Funny thing is, it's Castillian Spanish (i.e. Spanish from Spain) whereas Pepe is Mexican.
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Mister Olympus posted:I don't think it can simply because the narrative logic is different here. Jose says it in the final fight of the original: He's scared of death because he has a family, Joe isn't and is willing to burn out his life entirely in the ring. In the case of Megalo Box, Junk Dog is the one with a future to care about, even if he doesn't say it himself: JD represents the poor of his world getting opportunities and breaking free from the walls between them and District people. If he actually does die in the ring, it reinforces that they're just fuel for the meat grinder of the District, and I don't think Megalo Box plans to end that way. yeah, for everything we have seen so far, megalo box is a far more optimistic story than anj.
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Darth Walrus posted:Uhh... not sure that graphic cannibalism is the sort of thing you build a TV show around. Tell that to Bryan Fuller.
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chiasaur11 posted:I just took a couple high school classes, so I'm barely a half step above nothing, but it sure sounded like Spanish. And since Burroughs was speaking English, it makes sense that he wouldn't be speaking Japanese. He's a native Spanish speaker from Spain trying (and failing) to do a neutral Mexican accent, but the way he pronounces "centro" -among other things- betray him. trucutru fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Jun 9, 2018 |
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Jun 9, 2018 08:35
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I've been cracking jokes about Yuri's sex eyes the whole show, and then Joe's reaction was more like "How dare you give somebody else the sex eyes!" That thought made the meeting on the waterfront a little awkward.
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Jun 9, 2018 08:37
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Oh I know the subbed lines in the ring are Spanish, but I thought he said something in Japanese during the press conference.
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GorfZaplen posted:I didn't like the big retelling of the fable either, and I also thought the scene with Sachio and the knife didn't really work. We don't need to see him make the choice to beat Shirato through boxing because we already understand that from the moment he looked at the picture beneath his hat. We didn't need a retelling of the fable for similar reasons. Maybe I'm extrapoling this too far but it seems like the visual direction is outpacing the script No, you're not extrapolating too far, this is what's happening. I thought the last episode was borderline cringe cheese. The Spanish Spanish gave me a good chuckle though.
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Jun 9, 2018 17:54
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Last episode was good. Fujimaki is finally going to leave them alone as well.
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Jun 14, 2018 21:57
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I was getting some Fate Zero Lancer vibes from this episode. I'm enjoying the hell out of this show.
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Jun 14, 2018 22:02
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ok so i know the story will probably end no matter what on episode 13, but i think that little tiny scene with sachio means if they want to do a sequel or second season, they have room to do it with him as the pov character
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JOE GOOD
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Jun 15, 2018 04:10
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I loving love this show goddamn E: Sachio raps lmao
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Jun 15, 2018 08:52
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drat, Nanbu, you crazy. But you came through in the end 
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Jun 15, 2018 09:45
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... okay i might be off base on this but i think the scorpion/frog fable thing might be at least partially a homage to Drive for some reason I can find every scene in the movie on youtube but the one I'm thinking of, but there's a really prominent scene where that fable gets told in-depth (because it thematically relates to the movie) and it's cool as poo poo (mostly because Ryan Gosling is terrifying in that movie), and i would not be surprised at all if MEGALO BOX was doing the bit to homage that scene
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Jun 15, 2018 21:17
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drat they found a way to make it even more tedious then
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Jun 15, 2018 21:27
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I loving love this show goddamn The Sachio rap was great and sent shivers down my spine
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Jun 15, 2018 21:46
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Been a good year for rap in anime so far
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Jun 15, 2018 22:32
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The Sachio rap was at least complimentary with the faux 90s aesthetic vibe of the animation. I mean this in the most backhanded compliment way possible.
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Jun 15, 2018 22:42
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The scorpion and frog parable is all over anime. I've heard it in at least 5 different shows in the last year alone.
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Jun 16, 2018 00:00
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AnacondaHL posted:The Sachio rap was at least complimentary with the faux 90s aesthetic vibe of the animation. I mean this in the most backhanded compliment way possible. Why backhanded. That's a real weird thing to say dude
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Jun 16, 2018 01:34
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I did a double take because I couldn't believe what I was hearing/seeing so in that sense it is good. Shine on you quirky anime.
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Jun 16, 2018 02:04
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Was that a totally non-functional gear? I was waiting for that to be dramatically revealed and then the tide of what the audience was saying.
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Jun 16, 2018 02:53
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GorfZaplen posted:Why backhanded. That's a real weird thing to say dude Personally I hated it too. Rap sucks.
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Jun 16, 2018 04:41
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Kyte posted:I believe he's not-saying he hated it. 
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Rap is actually very good
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