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Fried Chicken posted:about that... See also this series of Frontline documentaries and reports. They've known for some time that fingerprinting is a poo poo science. edit: oh drat it. beaten by Mo_Steel. but my link has some additional reports on the aftermath of that documentary. radical meme fucked around with this message at 21:26 on May 31, 2015 |
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radical meme posted:See also this series of Frontline documentaries and reports. They've known for some time that fingerprinting is a poo poo science. I'm curious. Has any defense attorney successfully argued this yet when forensics is used in attempt to get a conviction?
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Job Truniht posted:I'm curious. Has any defense attorney successfully argued this yet when forensics is used in attempt to get a conviction? 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Most of my professors have families. Both my parents are professors but they also didn't start a family until they were in their mid to late 30s. Cythereal posted:And non-faculty university staff. I'm a university librarian and even by the standards of librarians I'm paid peanuts to work on a very lovely campus with dorms significantly more luxurious than my apartment. In fairness they probably cost a lot more than your apartment too. I lived in a dorm built in the 70s that was the brutalist style you probably know and it cost significantly more than a 1 bedroom apartment did. The actual luxury ones cost even more than that. computer parts fucked around with this message at 21:39 on May 31, 2015 |
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May 31, 2015 21:36
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Maybe this is a derail, but when reading an article on unionization and the subsequent complaints about teacher unions constantly striking for better pay despite worse or static results I had a thought. It seems throughout the country alot of the education budget for K-12 has either been cut or stagnated which reduces the resources available in schools increasing the burden on teachers. The teachers than work harder with less resources so they demand better pay... this pay eats up more of the limited education budget reducing resources even more making teachers work harder and creating a cycle of poo poo that makes the teachers look at fault because they strike because they can and their job is lovely. Or maybe I am incredibly off-base since I dont really know any public school teachers anymore besides my cousin who was a school teacher got laid off and is teaching history at a private school in Guatemala now...
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Job Truniht posted:I'm curious. Has any defense attorney successfully argued this yet when forensics is used in attempt to get a conviction? Good luck finding a criminal court judge that will actually let you put that evidence on.
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i am harry posted:Let us pause for a moment and remind ourselves in contrast what Mr. Rove has lost. Fox News is reporting that Karl Rove believes he's lost enough already. Ogmius815 posted:Tenure also gives the faculty some ability to stand up to the administration (and anyone who has ever set foot in a university knows why this is important). Students who bitch about tenure are idiots. They're usually also me-first babies who are incensed at the idea that not every single thing at the university revolves around them. The school district I grew up in makes the machinations of ASOIAF look like loving child's play. There was a teacher about a decade ago who had to quit and move because of very real "we will fukcing murder you" poo poo that goes on, in addition to the more mundane ruining of others' lives and giving lucrative contracts to friends. The district spent the last several years being run in to the ground by a buddy of the previous governor as well. This is a mostly middle/upper-middle class district too so I can only imagine what goes on at major universities. If this district didn't have tenure (and PA didn't have a fairly strong teacher's union) then teachers would likely get fired by the dozens when the school board changes and they try to bring in all their friends to give them overpaid cushy jobs. The people behind this show should be fed to lions on Pay-Per-View and the money used to help poor families.
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Evil Fluffy posted:If this district didn't have tenure (and PA didn't have a fairly strong teacher's union) then teachers would likely get fired by the dozens when the school board changes and they try to bring in all their friends to give them overpaid cushy jobs. Yeah, I know a few public school teachers in Texas, where the teachers have a union, but it can't strike, so it's worthless. The poorly run schools are pretty much constantly concocting petty ways to run out the experienced, paid-slightly-more teachers so they can replace them with ones with no experience and often no degree in education, just an "emergency" certification.
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Jack2142 posted:Maybe this is a derail, but when reading an article on unionization and the subsequent complaints about teacher unions constantly striking for better pay despite worse or static results I had a thought. It seems throughout the country alot of the education budget for K-12 has either been cut or stagnated which reduces the resources available in schools increasing the burden on teachers. The teachers than work harder with less resources so they demand better pay... this pay eats up more of the limited education budget reducing resources even more making teachers work harder and creating a cycle of poo poo that makes the teachers look at fault because they strike because they can and their job is lovely. Or maybe I am incredibly off-base since I dont really know any public school teachers anymore besides my cousin who was a school teacher got laid off and is teaching history at a private school in Guatemala now... All of these problems would disappear with replacing all public schools with charter schools though! - fuckwits across the country.
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DemeaninDemon posted:All of these problems would disappear with replacing all public schools with charter schools though! - fuckwits across the country. Well that's one way to lure Arkane back to the thread, I guess.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Well that's one way to lure Arkane back to the thread, I guess. Four degrees Celsius! Four degrees Celsius! ...There, that ought to work.
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Jack2142 posted:Maybe this is a derail, but when reading an article on unionization and the subsequent complaints about teacher unions constantly striking for better pay despite worse or static results I had a thought. It seems throughout the country alot of the education budget for K-12 has either been cut or stagnated which reduces the resources available in schools increasing the burden on teachers. The teachers than work harder with less resources so they demand better pay... this pay eats up more of the limited education budget reducing resources even more making teachers work harder and creating a cycle of poo poo that makes the teachers look at fault because they strike because they can and their job is lovely. Or maybe I am incredibly off-base since I dont really know any public school teachers anymore besides my cousin who was a school teacher got laid off and is teaching history at a private school in Guatemala now... This assumes teachers get the wages they demand, which is not the case.
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Jack2142 posted:Maybe this is a derail, but when reading an article on unionization and the subsequent complaints about teacher unions constantly striking for better pay despite worse or static results I had a thought. It seems throughout the country alot of the education budget for K-12 has either been cut or stagnated which reduces the resources available in schools increasing the burden on teachers. The teachers than work harder with less resources so they demand better pay... this pay eats up more of the limited education budget reducing resources even more making teachers work harder and creating a cycle of poo poo that makes the teachers look at fault because they strike because they can and their job is lovely. Or maybe I am incredibly off-base since I dont really know any public school teachers anymore besides my cousin who was a school teacher got laid off and is teaching history at a private school in Guatemala now... They're not just striking for better pay, though. Most of the time, pay is the least of their concern, and they're looking for reduced class sizes and those more resources you mentioned. If they are looking for pay increases, it's usually just above inflation, and often time to compensate for several years of pay freezes. The problem is not "teachers are paid too much so there's no budget for other stuff" it's that teachers aren't paid enough AND there's not enough budget for other stuff (unless you live in a rich neighborhood). In Washington state, for example, schools have been underfunded by billions of dollars for decades. The Washington state constitution requires education to be well funded, and the Washington State Supreme Court has found the legislature in contempt of court for being multiple billions (~$8 billion iirc) below what it should be. The legislature then has continued to do nothing for years, and has now been found in contempt of court. Since then, they have continued to do nothing. So yeah, the problem is legislatures are deliberately underfunding schools in every aspect--pay, class size, resources, support staff, training--and that says nothing about the problems outside of schools that affect student performance, like poverty.
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Evil Fluffy posted:
No make them have to face each other in a battle royale style battle.
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The premise that the education reformers are pushing when they make their arguments is that there is some mass of people who would be great teachers who would come rushing in to work as soon as wages for lower and the teachers union got out of their way. That assumption seems... questionable... to me.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:It's like an ouroboros. They need more wealthy students to pay higher tuition every year in order to pay for all the brand new buildings and amenities they put up in part to look good in the glossy mailers they send out to compete for wealthy students. Yeah it has been a surprisingly quick race to the bottom for everything but luxury amenities for students that can afford them. It is even more pronounced in off campus housing too. I had never seen the administration the department I majored in as panicked as when one of the grad students mentioned to their adviser that they qualified for food stamps. It was an all hands on deck emergency. They weren't concerned that the pay was so lovely, but instead that it might get out that they had grad students on food stamps and that would look bad for recruitment and grant writing. edit: Yeesh out of state estimated cost (tuition + housing + food) for where I went to undergrad is now around $45k per year. That's insane. Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Fried Chicken posted:The premise that the education reformers are pushing when they make their arguments is that there is some mass of people who would be great teachers who would come rushing in to work as soon as wages for lower and the teachers union got out of their way. No the premise is gently caress you more money for me.
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i'd be a teacher instead of moving into the industry if they could pay me double and not have 500x the headache. i actually enjoy teaching students, both undergraduate and graduate level, but it's simply not worth the shitshow.
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joeburz posted:i'd be a teacher instead of moving into the industry if they could pay me double and not have 500x the headache. i actually enjoy teaching students, both undergraduate and graduate level, but it's simply not worth the shitshow. The punchline is that media goes "why are we lagging behind other countries in education?" while various states rip into education. Can't be because of that. Nope. It's the teachers.
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That reality show sounds like something you'd see on some dark superhero movie where the villains come up with a monstrous idea to highlight how deserving they are of the rear end beating they receive from the hero.
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Dante Logos posted:The punchline is that media goes "why are we lagging behind other countries in education?" while various states rip into education. Can't be because of that. Nope. It's the teachers. for a capitalistic crowd they sure as hell dont seem to realize that you're not going to grab the best if you're pushing them through a gauntlet of dogshit for 5 years with dirt pay, and thats if you're actually able to find tenure track.
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joeburz posted:i'd be a teacher instead of moving into the industry if they could pay me double and not have 500x the headache. i actually enjoy teaching students, both undergraduate and graduate level, but it's simply not worth the shitshow. Every person I know that went into education is now going back to school for something else. In fact, someone I know got so disgusted by charter schools that she's trying to get into nonprofits that work against them 
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Dante Logos posted:The punchline is that media goes "why are we lagging behind other countries in education?" while various states rip into education. Can't be because of that. Nope. It's the teachers. I'm surprised we haven't had a major political figure outright call public education socialism.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:They're not just striking for better pay, though. Most of the time, pay is the least of their concern, and they're looking for reduced class sizes and those more resources you mentioned. If they are looking for pay increases, it's usually just above inflation, and often time to compensate for several years of pay freezes. The problem is not "teachers are paid too much so there's no budget for other stuff" it's that teachers aren't paid enough AND there's not enough budget for other stuff (unless you live in a rich neighborhood). Oh of course I know about this I am from Washington so I know that legislature has been the under funded education system. I wasn't trying to say that teachers are only demanding pay raises etc. I probably should have expanded my thought was just a knee jerk reaction to the 'gently caress Union because teachers always strike and schools are poo poo" statements. So I realize the schools are underfunded and even if the teachers don't secure a significant pay raise the teachers salaries eat up a bigger part of the shrunken budget allowing the people who cut education funding to say "look its the teachers fault look at how much of /slashed budget/ they take up and they are still on strike demanding better compensation those greedy union bastards. WE NEED TO PRIVATIZE FOR SAINT REAGAN!!! Aliquid posted:This assumes teachers get the wages they demand, which is not the case. Definitely oftentimes they don't get the wages they deserve or demand.
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joeburz posted:i'd be a teacher instead of moving into the industry if they could pay me double and not have 500x the headache. i actually enjoy teaching students, both undergraduate and graduate level, but it's simply not worth the shitshow. yeah i really enjoy teaching but i teach corporate professionals how to use software because if i were going to teach children facts about reality and other useful things i'd be getting paid like, half as much, for double the work
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Grouchio posted:Any news on the surveillance talks? Lee says he has 60 to pass the House bill that would put some nominal restraint on it, Paul says he is committed to making the existing program lapse.
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I'm so loving glad I finished my university education before Walker really got rolling with gutting the goddamn state and UW with it too. I remember thinking what a loving embarrassment Biddy turned out to be after it came out she was working with the Republicans to gently caress with the UW system and she literally fled the state to take a job elsewhere because of the potential backlash. And years later it was loving worse than we ever could have thought. Here's a governor who ran explicitly on the platform of improving Wisconsin's economic prospects and creating Hundreds of Thousands of Jobs. When he got elected he immediately canceled a hugely promising transportation project, smashed workers' rights, and generally did everything in exactly the worst possible manner. Wisconsin is now among dead loving last in the entire loving country for economic and employment metrics. And Walker still has more coming up, including loving with food stamps and drug testing. The fact that Walker is an actual legitimate candidate for Republican Presidential candidacy should have had this country struck down by the fist of an angry God long, long ago.
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Brannock posted:I'm so loving glad I finished my university education before Walker really got rolling with gutting the goddamn state and UW with it too. I remember thinking what a loving embarrassment Biddy turned out to be after it came out she was working with the Republicans to gently caress with the UW system and she literally fled the state to take a job elsewhere because of the potential backlash. And years later it was loving worse than we ever could have thought. Hurricane season's just around the corner. Doesn't do much to WI but they've had enough poo poo between Walker and the Packers.
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Don't get that supernova black hole of hope known affectionately as the Brew Crew. At least we got Ueck goddamnit.
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staticman posted:Thanks to McCain, a Austrialian-British mining company is going to steal Apache land, in tyool 2015. Not only did McCain sell a piece of Apache land by loving slipping it into a military funding bill last second, he sold it to a goddman Rio Tinto affiliate? I mean drat that's loving brutal. Selling off Native American land to a foreign mining company with an horrific history. Bravo McCain you loving rear end. Barring turning it into a bombing range, I can't think of a worse fate for a parcel of land than being mined by Rio Tinto. Relentlessboredomm fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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See ya, 215. Officially gonna expire. Senate adjourned.
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A show with more than its share of "cain't" and "ain't" utterances.
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Arkane posted:See ya, 215. Officially gonna expire. Senate adjourned.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:A good thing happened?! Wait, wait, is this clear, though!? Can they not meet in the dead of night, not bother to call quorum, and pass an extension, like they did with that Israeli rearmament thing last year?
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:A good thing happened?! They're almost certainly just replacing it with the Freedom Act, which seems to be an improvement on where we are now, but not as good as leaving the whole thing as expired.
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