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Gros Tarla posted:https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-696579 ... I really do want to know at what point Russia figured it didn't even need to make much of an effort at this, or at least do enough to make it look like less of a bad comic book movie B-plot when they play at false flag
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Oh god its going to need so many patches.
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 19:58 |
Once again I find myself lamenting that I cannot make images thread titles.
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 20:13 |
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Kavros posted:... It's almost like they enjoy how fake it is. But of course they can't be fascists because as we've been made aware, Ukraine has the fascists actually.
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 20:16 |
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Kavros posted:... Well, it was kinda hilarious to Putin at least. "Haha, made you ... holds his stomach for laughter ... all go to my ridiculous table *wailing from laughter* while I was just joking!" But honestly what did he gain from any of this other than a few laughs and make Russia hated even more
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 21:01 |
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Translation pls Russia face off against the ukranian reformed crack SS "Azov" batallion WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Sekenr posted:Well, it was kinda hilarious to Putin at least. "Haha, made you ... holds his stomach for laughter ... all go to my ridiculous table *wailing from laughter* while I was just joking!" Bullying Ukrane back into the fold is the best he can do. Outside of that this just proves to everyone why you want to be in NATO and in the EU block which is extremely counter productive for them. Real "hurt myself to own the West" energy.
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 21:06 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1493381856393375745 I can see why Trump never got his tank parade, those things look like a huge pain to deal with
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 21:10 |
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Numlock posted:Bullying Ukrane back into the fold is the best he can do. Yeah, it kind of wrecks Ukraine, which is all Putin wanted. Imo the best thing the US and EU can do now is keep remilitarising Ukraine and offer a beyter deal of some sort on something
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NATO's Euro-Atlantic Disaster Response Coordination Centre has received a request for international assistance from Ukraine due to expected "large-scale emergencies of various nature."
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Sekenr posted:But honestly what did he gain from any of this other than a few laughs and make Russia hated even more Good thread: https://twitter.com/BretDevereaux/status/1493612035963301897?t=AFMN0y32W109tYVVZVOabg&s=19 If the withdrawal actually happens, Western leaders absolutely should take an overt victory lap. The West held strong against an autocrat's belligerent threats and shored up a fledgling democracy on its periphery. And if the intent to invade was actually there, this wasn't just a matter of calling a bluff, but deterrence, showcasing just how far Putin has led Russia away from its former superpower status.
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 21:25 |
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There will be at least one speech about how NATO matters because it managed to project stability not just among member states but in its neighbourhood.
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 21:31 |
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this popped up on my feed (maybe because ive clicked on a few zerohedge tweets in the past) https://twitter.com/AP/status/1493601284695412745
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 21:39 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Translation pls Translation via Google Lens posted:INVASION OF UKRAINE
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 21:40 |
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Cugel the Clever posted:He inflicted a degree of economic harm on Ukraine as capital investments slowed (where it didn't flee outright) in anticipation of a major conflict. This will likely be short-term and Putin backing down may prove outright beneficial in the longer-term as it suggests he might lack the resolve and capacity to actually follow through with his threats. I agree. It should be proclaimed as victory and something should be done if symbolically to show that Ukraine is still welcome or some poo poo.
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 21:42 |
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Flavahbeast posted:I can see why Trump never got his tank parade, those things look like a huge pain to deal with Fun fact: US armored vehicles use rubber treads all the time and so don't tear up the roads quite as badly. Heavy vehicles hauling around at 80kph do damage roads and bridges, of course, but the treads help a lot. The rubber pads do wear out over time, so you can definitely get to the point where you're tearing up pavement, but at that point you're putting a lot of stress on the treads themselves which is bad for safety reasons.
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 21:58 |
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Gros Tarla posted:https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-696579 See, this poo poo bothers me a bit. It's just too obviously staged so you gotta wonder what it's supposed to distract you from.
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:this popped up on my feed (maybe because ive clicked on a few zerohedge tweets in the past)
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 22:04 |
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Time to put on my tinfoil hat. https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1493688179270070281
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BoldFace posted:Time to put on my tinfoil hat. Holy poo poo, Ukraine was just a diversion to distract from their invasion of America!
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Clayton Bigsby posted:See, this poo poo bothers me a bit. It's just too obviously staged so you gotta wonder what it's supposed to distract you from. Oh the point of Russian propaganda is really simple: it's just to blitz you with a hundred different possible narratives both fantastical and plausible so that the average person either never hears the true narrative or just can't distinguish it from any of the fake ones. It's not about getting people to believe the Russian line, it's providing a hundred possible hooks for people looking for a reason to doubt the Western narrative.
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Alchenar posted:It's not about getting people to believe the Russian line, it's providing a hundred possible hooks for people looking for a reason to doubt the Western narrative. That's a good loving point.
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Alchenar posted:It's not about getting people to believe the Russian line, it's providing a hundred possible hooks for people looking for a reason to doubt the Western narrative.
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Alchenar posted:Oh the point of Russian propaganda is really simple: it's just to blitz you with a hundred different possible narratives both fantastical and plausible so that the average person either never hears the true narrative or just can't distinguish it from any of the fake ones. Yup, 100%, Russia uses the firehose method on multiple levels.
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Alchenar posted:Oh the point of Russian propaganda is really simple: it's just to blitz you with a hundred different possible narratives both fantastical and plausible so that the average person either never hears the true narrative or just can't distinguish it from any of the fake ones. this post seems to indicate that the Western narrative is also the true narrative?
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 22:33 |
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Or to put it a way that might resonate with others: think of Russia's misinformation strategy as Manufacturing Consent's evil twin. Every principle in that book completely inverted, with the aim of collapsing an opposing societies ability to come to a consensus around a single policy. e: ^^ for the purposes of brevity, in the context of a contested information environment between the West and Russia, yes Alchenar fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Not a bad framing at all; so much of the point of the russian propaganda I've studied has been based in attempting to disrupt and prevent the development of civic discourse.
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# ? Feb 15, 2022 22:36 |
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Sekenr posted:But honestly what did he gain from any of this other than a few laughs and make Russia hated even more Personally, he's going to make billions from the MIC, and the Russian media will spin it as a victory against NATO. The whole episode has successfully distracted his audience from his disastrous handling of COVID, and his approval among voters and oligarchs alike will increase. In the meantime, Ukraine will never be allowed to join NATO now (it wasn't going to be able to join anyway, but this further solidifies it), and I'd be shocked if France and Germany allowed any other country to join for the foreseeable future. He's also demonstrated to Ukraine that he can make their lives miserable without even invading. This was a big win for Putin.
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NATO wins, Putin wins, everybody wins! (except Ukraine)
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paul_soccer12 posted:this post seems to indicate that the Western narrative is also the true narrative? Not necessarily, but Western nations tend not to launch multiple, intentionally-conflicting narratives across as many public channels as possible. Because Western media is (mostly) not state-owned, they tend to follow their own individual narratives.
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Ynglaur posted:Not necessarily, but Western nations tend not to launch multiple, intentionally-conflicting narratives across as many public channels as possible. Because Western media is (mostly) not state-owned, they tend to follow their own individual narratives. Thanks for clarifying. This was informative. This thread is very helpful for someone who isnt an expert on russia (I'm not fluent in Russian).
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BoldFace posted:Time to put on my tinfoil hat. Someone overloaded a breaker probably.
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Majorian posted:Personally, he's going to make billions from the MIC Obviously Russia is a kleptocracy so I assume Putin gets to wet his beak on pretty much any state expenditures, but can you refer me to some reading about how intertwined he is with the Russian MIC, specifically? Did Russia spend a ton of money on beefing up the military during this whole ordeal or just rearranged existing assets? Other than funnelling arms to the separatists in east Ukraine through whatever blackbook slushfund of course
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https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1493704138131136516?s=20&t=t3wpXwpnkiH1foC8Y7P3pw Ukraine brought up a bunch of armor to Kharkiv earlier today. https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1493694446759723015?s=20&t=k1yI6CP6VSJxrnRufW15fQ Ukrainian Security Service website is now down, Russia seems to be launching a cyberattack on Ukrainian networks as the stream I'm watching has all of the streams out of Ukraine going down but not the ones from Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHhv3y7JIe8 HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Russia must have intel those perfidious Ukrainians are planning something.
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HonorableTB posted:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1493704138131136516?s=20&t=t3wpXwpnkiH1foC8Y7P3pw Sounds like They Are No AngelsTM
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Grouchio posted:NATO wins, Putin wins, everybody wins! (except Ukraine) Yeah, that's the game of empires for you. Whole lotta fun for everyone caught in the middle. paul_soccer12 posted:Obviously Russia is a kleptocracy so I assume Putin gets to wet his beak on pretty much any state expenditures, but can you refer me to some reading about how intertwined he is with the Russian MIC, specifically? There's no definitive proof on any of it, but there are some compelling theories, IMO. One decent book on the subject is called Russia’s Crony Capitalism, by Anders Aslund. Aslund goes hard on the Mafia state/crony capitalism angle: Putin awards contracts or business ownerships to friends and loyal courtiers, they make a shitton of money, and they give him major kickbacks under the table. Those people are dependent on him, since he can just as easily take away these boons as he gave them in the first place - see what happened to his former son-in-law, Kirill Shamalov.
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paul_soccer12 posted:Obviously Russia is a kleptocracy so I assume Putin gets to wet his beak on pretty much any state expenditures, but can you refer me to some reading about how intertwined he is with the Russian MIC, specifically? So the easiest way to think of property in Russia is that it all belongs to Putin, he is just letting his friends use it for convenience's sake.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_JRSioZZyQ loving ghouls
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