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Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

At this point I feel Tumblr is defined more by feeling awkward and wanting to ignore its Superwholock past than it actually is about liking Superwholock.

Honestly I'm surprised Destiel got to the finals in the first place.

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Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Stairmaster posted:

were the gyan's cool

It got beat by Lunamaria in the Impulse

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Eej posted:

It got beat by Lunamaria in the Impulse

Lunamaria trained hard and is accurate now. :colbert:

WrightOfWay
Jul 24, 2010


ImpAtom posted:

Lunamaria trained hard and is accurate now. :colbert:

She finally unlocked her Ace Bonus.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Eej posted:

It got beat by Lunamaria in the Impulse

Impulse Spec 2, it’s stronger than the regular Impulse. .

Spelling Mitsake
Oct 4, 2007

Clutch Cargo wishes they had Tractor.
I thought tumblr died when they banned porn?

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

It functionally did.

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

It definitely got a lot less popular.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

it got a shot in the arm when elon vored x then tumblr's ceo started acting really weird and squirrelly and ended up going on a transphobic rampage during a sabbatical. Its a land of contrasts

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

I had not heard that, that is very funny.

These people have no idea what they are running, none of them.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

absolutely. dude bought tumblr then started complaining that users had nicknames like catgirlforeskin. dude thats your entire userbase be nice to them.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I missed that McGillis's birth name was McGillis Montag. That is a hell of a name

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money
Finally finished Turn A and man, Sochie really gets a raw deal.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Nuebot posted:

Finally finished Turn A and man, Sochie really gets a raw deal.

absolutely

chrome line
Oct 13, 2022

Nuebot posted:

Finally finished Turn A and man, Sochie really gets a raw deal.

I think Loran kissing her and leaving, and then her biking up the mountain and throwing that fish into the river is maybe the single saddest thing in the whole franchise.

Everyone else gets a happy ending, Loran and Dianna are off being cottagecore lesbians, Kihel and Harry got basically everything they could ever want, all her friends are starting fulfilling careers. Sochie has to take care of her mother and live the life she spends the whole show trying to escape, and life goes on but sometimes it just becomes too much for her and she needs to run into the woods and scream. It's brutal

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

chrome line posted:

I think Loran kissing her and leaving, and then her biking up the mountain and throwing that fish into the river is maybe the single saddest thing in the whole franchise.

Everyone else gets a happy ending, Loran and Dianna are off being cottagecore lesbians, Kihel and Harry got basically everything they could ever want, all her friends are starting fulfilling careers. Sochie has to take care of her mother and live the life she spends the whole show trying to escape, and life goes on but sometimes it just becomes too much for her and she needs to run into the woods and scream. It's brutal

Yeah it's really hosed up, especially since like Dianna and Kihel do one last swap, except Dianna doesn't hang around and pretend to be Kihel or anything. Then Loran just kisses Sochie and fucks off with her, leaving everything she never wanted in her hands.

chrome line
Oct 13, 2022

Nuebot posted:

Yeah it's really hosed up, especially since like Dianna and Kihel do one last swap, except Dianna doesn't hang around and pretend to be Kihel or anything. Then Loran just kisses Sochie and fucks off with her, leaving everything she never wanted in her hands.

She gets done so dirty, it kills me every time I think about her. Especially when you remember that she already went through the Gavane Goonny stuff earlier! And like, it's hard to get too mad at everyone else for leaving her like this, but she's still there all alone. Presumably Miashei and some of the others visit when they can, but they're all busy adults and the people closest to her have hosed off and she might never see any of them again. I have a lot of feelings about Sochie.

Even Guin gets a happier ending!

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Such is the fate of people with main character syndrome who abruptly realize their secondary status.

The Notorious ZSB
Apr 19, 2004

I SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FUCKING SUCK THIS YEAR!!!

Sochie get the raw end of the deal, but she was also a petulant child the entire run who really failed to recognize what those around her needed from her or wanted for themselves. She's perpetually trying to force her way into a more "prominent role" (not in the story but in her sister and Loran's lives) that is at no point reciprocated or requested and she often does while explicitly ignoring the input of those she wants to be closer to. She absolutely suffers from main character syndrome.

vv I'd respectfully disagree.

The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 16:36 on May 14, 2024

chrome line
Oct 13, 2022
Maybe at the start of the show, but she goes through a lot of growth. After the midnight sunrise especially she's basically a different character (as you probably would be after seeing your fiance get nuked)

Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies
a friend is experiencing turn a for the first time right now and he just remarked at how weirdly unbothered sochie was by that

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


I like Sochie a lot and she grows a lot but her ending is both a mix of her story being meant to be bittersweet and perhaps the more traditional Gundam ending and also probably suffered the most from the series being cut to it's run time.

The Notorious ZSB
Apr 19, 2004

I SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FUCKING SUCK THIS YEAR!!!

Mister Olympus posted:

a friend is experiencing turn a for the first time right now and he just remarked at how weirdly unbothered sochie was by that

Its because it was all in service of making Loran jealous enough to want to be with her when he never was interested in her. Gavanne Gooney got played and I feel bad for him, Sochie was only ever riding the emotional waves allowed by the circumstances, she was never really "in love" with him.

chrome line
Oct 13, 2022

The Notorious ZSB posted:

Its because it was all in service of making Loran jealous enough to want to be with her when he never was interested in her. Gavanne Gooney got played and I feel bad for him, Sochie was only ever riding the emotional waves allowed by the circumstances, she was never really "in love" with him.

It very clearly isn't all about Loran! It might have started that way but the way she mourns him in episode 29 isn't a performance for Loran's benefit. And there's a very clear shift in her attitudes before and after that point, I went back and skimmed through the surrounding episodes for Sochie scenes and it's like night and day. Loran even comments on it, saying she's much more calm and composed than she was before

The Notorious ZSB
Apr 19, 2004

I SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FUCKING SUCK THIS YEAR!!!

chrome line posted:

It very clearly isn't all about Loran! It might have started that way but the way she mourns him in episode 29 isn't a performance for Loran's benefit. And there's a very clear shift in her attitudes before and after that point, I went back and skimmed through the surrounding episodes for Sochie scenes and it's like night and day. Loran even comments on it, saying she's much more calm and composed than she was before

Qualities she noted he appreciated seeing in Kihel/Diana! Don't be fooled by Sochie! She's a child imitating the people she wants to be in the hopes it will land her what she wants. She wouldn't have such a sad ending if she had actually demonstrated the growth folks keep pointing to and had moved on to find her own thing. Loran was never going to fall for her, but she cannot accept that to the end.

His impacts her, but Sochie is driven by the crush she has on Loran and is chasing her desire to supplant her sister the entire time. it's the theme of her character from the first episode. Sochie earns her sad end.

The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 18:53 on May 14, 2024

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

The Notorious ZSB posted:

Qualities she noted he appreciated seeing in Kihel/Diana! Don't be fooled by Sochie! She's a child imitating the people she wants to be in the hopes it will land her what she wants. She wouldn't have such a sad ending if she had actually demonstrated the growth folks keep pointing to and had moved on to find her own thing.

It impacts her, but Sochie is driven by the crush she has on Loran and is chasing her desire to supplant her sister the entire time. it's the theme of her character from the first episode. Sochie earns her sad end.

"Actually all this character growth is false" requires something more than you disliking the character. Like people pointed out explicitly how that isn't the case and your response is "Don't be fooled by the lying woman, she's actually bad despite this not actually being shown!"

The Notorious ZSB
Apr 19, 2004

I SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FUCKING SUCK THIS YEAR!!!

ImpAtom posted:

"Actually all this character growth is false" requires something more than you disliking the character.

I don't see the character growth in the same light. She doesn't meaningfully change how she interacts with her sister or Loran from episode 1 to the finish imo. Its a prime quality of her in contrast to others. She's much more like Guin who tries to enforce his world view on anyone than our core protagonists who realize this will not work. I think part of this is tied to the fact that she is young, barely a teenager at the start of this show, that she is not great at navigating these things is a feature not a bug.

I don't dislike her because she's a woman, I don't even really dislike her, i just think she's very unsuccessful in achieving her goals and its not confusing how she ends where she does. She is explicitly a child caught up in the work of adults and doesn't really mature enough with them to get there by the end of the series, unlike the people she desperately wants acknowledgment from who do achieve that.

No one "refuted my point" but its okay if we interpret the characters differently. Some of y'all like her and feel for her, I don't feel for her. I think her outcome is as intended and not some mystery given her actions in the show.

vvv - better put than me

The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 19:08 on May 14, 2024

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I don't think Sochie doesn't learn or grow through the series, but that she doesn't learn or grow enough or quick enough to find enough self awareness to realize that her drive and methods have been misguided and doomed to failure.

The rest of the cast of Turn A have moved past their childhood delusions and moved into a concrete reality, Sochie only makes it eighty percent there and it takes nearly apocalyptic events to apur that change and given that the future looks so peaceful I doubt she ever finds a fully complete sense of self that isn't reliant on how she perceives herself to be perceived.

chrome line
Oct 13, 2022

The Notorious ZSB posted:

I don't see the character growth in the same light. She doesn't meaningfully change how she interacts with her sister or Loran from episode 1 to the finish imo. Its a prime quality of her in contrast to others.

Except she does, and Loran notices and points it out. The show all but has the main character look at the camera and say "Wow! Sochie is undergoing character development! She has a more nuanced understanding of the world now and is willing to work with people she once viewed as an enemy (like her protecting the because of the character growth happening" and you look at that and say "That's what she WANTS you to think!" And she was never solely motivated by getting with Loran or replacing her sister, if she was she wouldn't have become a pilot. She ultimately gets the position Kihel would have, if that was her goal it would be a happy ending but it clearly wasn't.

Also no one is saying the ending doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense! There really isn't any other way it could go given who Loran and Kihel and Dianna and Sochie all were, and it's a good conclusion to her character arc. And also it's deeply sad! These aren't mutually exclusive

chrome line fucked around with this message at 19:15 on May 14, 2024

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




Since we're speaking of Turn A, is there a way to legally watch it online?

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Wait for it to come up on the Gundam Info youtube rotation

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Legality is a meme

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Waffleman_ posted:

Wait for it to come up on the Gundam Info youtube rotation

Last time it did, they took it down after only a week, for some reason. That got me to bite the bullet and just buy the blurays.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Begemot posted:

Last time it did, they took it down after only a week, for some reason. That got me to bite the bullet and just buy the blurays.

Bandai Exec: working as intended.

I was pissed that GundamInfo put the G-Reco movies and Turn A up for a week... and then it was only available in the USA.

chrome line
Oct 13, 2022
It won a poll iirc, so it was even more temporary than usual for Gundam Info. But yeah you gotta just buy the blu-rays or pirate it, no other options

Fivemarks
Feb 21, 2015
Doesn't the ending of Turn A basically imply that Diana is going to die soon and Loran is only taking care of her until all her years spent in cryosleep catch up to her, and once that happens Loran will be returning to Sochie?

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
dianna and loran's ending isn't exactly happy either, no.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

https://twitter.com/capybaroness/status/1790381973447364830?t=QwcMJBbi5QI-DXMptGt6DA&s=19

Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis is a Gundam series

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Wow Platinum is some top grade Gundam Name, yes.

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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012


Embarrassing that the distributors thought you couldn't sell a movie that's selling itself. Thank god for the French.

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