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Depending on what you consider acceptable gaming resolutions, a handheld like Steam Deck may make more sense. You can build something like this if you need a little more horse power, but that’s more because you wanted to build something as it provides no practical improvements over a gaming laptops. https://youtu.be/ci07KITkhM0?si=JM0eqAB54miBZ28R
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new low-profile cooler by noctua https://twitter.com/Noctua_at/status/1782695218132730268 quote:Noctua introduces NH-L12Sx77 low-profile CPU cooler https://noctua.at/en/noctua-introduces-nh-l12sx77-low-profile-cpu-cooler
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 14:58 |
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That's pretty niche, isn't it? I'm sure we'll get cases that make use of it after a while but right now I can't think of any off-hand. Max CPU cooler height Terra?
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 18:08 |
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it first reminded me of their ghost cooler that sounds like it was more or less specifically made for ghost s1 case https://noctua.at/en/nh-l12-ghost-s1-edition people would sometimes use it for other things i wonder when it makes business sense for noctua to make super specific coolers like this, maybe it's just to keep other manufacturers from threatening noctua's incumbent position
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 18:22 |
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Arzachel posted:That's pretty niche, isn't it? I'm sure we'll get cases that make use of it after a while but right now I can't think of any off-hand. Max CPU cooler height Terra?
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 21:03 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuCPzmlNTWo This case looks pretty nice, but it seems like they could have made it MicroATX compatible with almost no sacrifice.
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 07:44 |
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Tankakern posted:so, about that venus um790 pro with ryzen 7940hs... Tankakern posted:to answer my own question, it might be possible if you use the usb4 connectors in front instead of the hdmi connectors. that makes it kinda ugly to have in your living room, but maybe that's a small price to pay...
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 20:10 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuCPzmlNTWo Maybe it could've been mATX compatible in the front-mounted PSU configuration with just a little more height, but the GPU compatibility is pretty limiting in that mode. If you want to make it mATX compatible in the side-mounted PSU mode, it would have to be quite a bit deeper (front-to-back). At that point, you may as well just get an Asus AP201. Still, looks like a solid budget ITX option. The fan options don't seem as good as the NR200P, but with midrange parts this doesn't seem to be a serious issue.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 20:47 |
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Some really interesting things going on in this boutique case https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CWqCRFroZ0 It's doing a lot of unique things. the crossflow fan seems to actually work incredibly well for CPU thermals, though the GPU thermals were not-so-good--normal GPUs might work better than FE cards. The thing I like most is the mechanical design though, the way everything slides and locks into place. If only it didn't cost $360.
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# ? Apr 30, 2024 16:35 |
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Anyone have any idea where I can get a case similar to the Inwin Chopin in the US? I bought a cheaper version, still from Inwin, a few years back but I forgot what the model was called. Also it looks like the Gamemax Violin is hard to get in the US right now. I have an extra itx board and processor around, but I don't want to spend a lot.
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# ? Apr 30, 2024 23:55 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:Anyone have any idea where I can get a case similar to the Inwin Chopin in the US? I bought a cheaper version, still from Inwin, a few years back but I forgot what the model was called. Also it looks like the Gamemax Violin is hard to get in the US right now. I have an extra itx board and processor around, but I don't want to spend a lot. Goodisory A09 from amazon/ali and a cheap psu?
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# ? May 1, 2024 02:56 |
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After a bit of searching I was able to find the model number. It’s an Inwin BQ656. I found one on eBay that even comes with an old Pentium board, for $35. Not too bad. Hopefully the PSU still works.
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# ? May 1, 2024 11:42 |
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I'm looking to build an ITX system in a CoolerMaster NR200 case, to replace my ancient Bitfenix Prodigy I'm a bit lost on what processor and motherboard chipset I want to aim for. I'm told to go AMD for low heat and better efficiency and I'm only a casual gamer so I certainly don't need whatever the top level processor is. Suggestions, or is this a better question for the PC Building thread?
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# ? May 16, 2024 01:21 |
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Jaxyon posted:I'm looking to build an ITX system in a CoolerMaster NR200 case, to replace my ancient Bitfenix Prodigy The Ryzen 7700 (non-X) is a very efficient chip that's solid at gaming and won't output much heat. The thing is, the 7800X3D (the current top dog for gaming) has the same power limits as the 7700 but is a decent bit faster at gaming anyway, while costing 'just' $60 more in the US right now, so it's a bit difficult to recommend the 7700. If the 7700 was a bit less expensive (e.g. in the low $200s instead of $280) then I'd recommend it whole heartedly, but at the current price I'd say to only go for it if you really need to cut costs to stay below a certain budget threshold. The only other alternative I'd consider is the Ryzen 7600, which is quite a bit more affordable and could be a great pick for a low-power budget build. Losing two cores is starting to sting a bit more these days than it used to in years past, but it's still quite capable at midrange gaming. And the AM5 platform will stick around for at least another major architecture revision (maybe two), so you'll be able to upgrade it in the future if necessary. (without having to buy a new mobo and ram) As for motherboard, your options for mITX AM5 boards are very limited. Honestly, the ASRock A620 board isn't too bad. It doesn't come with PCIe Gen 5 support, but that doesn't really matter with current components which are almost all Gen 4 (no GPUs and only some super high-end SSDs are Gen 5). And it doesn't come with many USB ports. But it has Wifi 6E, 2.5G ethernet, and two M.2 slots still. The more expensive B650 version comes with support for one of those Gen 5 SSDs, a little bit more USB, and that's basically it? I think I'd just get the A620 board to be honest. It's much better than I thought that chipset was capable of being. edit: Not even the VRM is upgraded. Honestly, that B650 board from ASRock is a ripoff, and I'd also avoid Gigabyte's A620 board since that has one less M.2 slot and a really lovely power delivery system for the CPU, which may reduce the board's upgradeability down the line. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 05:53 on May 16, 2024 |
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A620 doesn't support overclocking, which apparently means no curve optimizer? You probably want CO in a SFF build, especially with a higher TDP CPU, so that would make the B650i preferable to me, although I agree the prices are stupid (almost all mainboard prices are these days).
orcane fucked around with this message at 10:21 on May 16, 2024 |
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orcane posted:A620 doesn't support overclocking, which apparently means no curve optimizer? You probably want CO in a SFF build, especially with a higher TDP CPU, so that would make the B650i preferable to me, although I agree the prices are stupid (almost all mainboard prices are these days). Is that fan curve optimization?
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# ? May 16, 2024 17:18 |
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Jaxyon posted:Is that fan curve optimization? No, it’s the cpu voltage curve. Mostly used with a negative offset for better temps and higher clocks. Skip the a620 boards and go straight to b650. If you’re building itx, you should have some wiggle room in your budget. My msi b650i has been super solid so far. The only board I’ve really heard bad things about is the gigabyte board from this gen. Do you have a budget? The thread could toss out some suggestions if needed.
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# ? May 16, 2024 17:32 |
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Yeah curve optimizer is an OC tool (available as a BIOS menu or in the Ryzen Master software in Windows) that lets you adjust the CPU cores' voltage and frequency scaling curves, ie. how much voltage the CPU uses for what clock speed. A620 doesn't support "OC" so most CPU overclocking options are apparently locked - even though that particular Asrock board seems to have the same voltage regulation setup as the B650 variant, so it could run higher power/overclocked CPUs the exact same way. I said OC tool but negative offsets to the curve also allow you to undervolt for lower power draw / cooler CPU / quieter fan operation. This also tends to leave the CPU more room to hit the higher boost clocks so UV can also improve performance.
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# ? May 16, 2024 17:43 |
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Is fan curve control worth $70 or more? Quiet fans seem cheap.
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# ? May 16, 2024 18:36 |
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Jaxyon posted:Is fan curve control worth $70 or more? Quiet fans seem cheap. The only fan control worth spending money on (Argus Monitor) is only 30 USD and Fan Control is a very viable and free option and both are just installable software. This is different than the voltage curve control people have been talking about on this page which is only possible via motherboard BIOS. It's about getting your CPU to use less power, thus producing less heat and usually giving a performance advantage at the same time. I am not smart or tactful enough to say this a better way, but I think you are better off not worrying about this since it will require tinkering and testing and you will experience mystifying crashes until you have it fully dialed in. It's almost as tedious as fine tuning RAM but not quite.
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# ? May 16, 2024 18:45 |
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Both boards will have fan curve controls in some way (either in the BIOS or with 3rd party software). E: yeah ^^ Argus Monitor or Fan Control The $70 give you more USB ports and faster NVMe SSD speeds (probably won't be noticeable in your use case) too. Depends on your budget, really - you can absolutely skip the undervolting part and go with the A620, although the free performance/cooler operation is nice to have. Since the NR200 can take fairly big CPU coolers it's not as much of a priority though, compared to small sandwich cases like a Dan A4 or Fractal Terra.
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# ? May 16, 2024 18:55 |
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Kibner posted:I am not smart or tactful enough to say this a better way, but I think you are better off not worrying about this since it will require tinkering and testing and you will experience mystifying crashes until you have it fully dialed in. It's almost as tedious as fine tuning RAM but not quite. No that's what I need to hear. I'm not putzing around with voltages and whatnot, or overclocking, as building my own PC is about the limit of my patience with troubleshooting these days. I want a cool looking small PC and I usually build my own.
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# ? May 16, 2024 19:18 |
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Kibner posted:The only fan control worth spending money on (Argus Monitor) is only 30 USD and Fan Control is a very viable and free option and both are just installable software. Honestly I've always referred to it as 'underclocking' but I get that also implies changing the clocks so it's still imprecise.
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# ? May 16, 2024 19:27 |
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Jaxyon posted:No that's what I need to hear. I'm not putzing around with voltages and whatnot, or overclocking, as building my own PC is about the limit of my patience with troubleshooting these days. I want a cool looking small PC and I usually build my own.
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# ? May 16, 2024 19:44 |
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orcane posted:budget etc.? or you can use the PC building thread and mention the parts you want to use https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gHwR34 I'm just matching up parts at this point, I'll post in the other thread when I'm ready to pull the trigger.
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# ? May 16, 2024 20:01 |
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I'll offer this minor comment re: SFF on that list, the rest people in the other thread can nitpick when it's time Apparently the fan of this Cooler Master PSU is quite annoying. The Corsair SF750 is the best choice in SFF land IMO, but it isn't always available everywhere and costs a bit more (also requires an additional $25 adapter cable for GPUs with 12VHPWR connectors like the Nvidia RTX 4000 series). But for US pricing right now, the $35 are worth it. The US price on the PA120SE cooler is amazing, that thing is like $55 here
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# ? May 16, 2024 21:12 |
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orcane posted:I'll offer this minor comment re: SFF on that list, the rest people in the other thread can nitpick when it's time I actually just updated it to a SeaSonic 750 that was 50 bux cheaper. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hgsqn6
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# ? May 16, 2024 21:15 |
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I've been happy with the Cooler Master 850W SFX: https://amzn.to/3USl1hM
VulgarandStupid fucked around with this message at 22:16 on May 16, 2024 |
# ? May 16, 2024 21:50 |
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Lian Li and Dan Case are making an mATX case that's 26L and will retail for $70. It's kind of like a lengthened SAMA IM01 that supports 360MM AIO. Not too bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-_Mlb-zxvk
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VulgarandStupid posted:Lian Li and Dan Case are making an mATX case that's 26L and will retail for $70. It's kind of like a lengthened SAMA IM01 that supports 360MM AIO. Not too bad. Sweet. I remember seeing the posts about this when it was in development
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# ? May 22, 2024 21:13 |
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meanwhile the C4 v2 gets yet another survey (ITX OR mATX?) https://old.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1cy9kfq/dan_cases_c4sfxv2_what_motherboard_standard_do/ like okay, I can see the draw - the AM5 ITX boards are absurdly overpriced but I thought the revamped v2 project was supposed to come out with only minor differences after all, so it could be done faster instead of doing a 2nd run of the v1 or waiting forever for a true C4 redesign... and we're back to prototyping in the middle of 2024
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# ? May 23, 2024 10:54 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:Lian Li and Dan Case are making an mATX case that's 26L and will retail for $70. It's kind of like a lengthened SAMA IM01 that supports 360MM AIO. Not too bad. drat if this has come out 6 months ago I probably would've done this case for my build
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# ? May 23, 2024 13:15 |
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Need to replace this old-rear end NUC with something good for heavy photo editing. Dad says it’s “got a beautiful 2 TB memory, but it is drat slow when handling image processing with Photoshop” (and Lightroom, etc.). He specifically wants a new SFF box about the size of a NUC, he’s enamored with the size and wants to stick with it. It’s also gotta pull its weight with modern image processing requirements - photography, not video editing or any gaming either. He considered and likes the idea of a Mac Mini, but hates macOS (understandable) and prefers Windows; he also looked at the HP Envy 34 but says that 1TB of storage is too small. Any recommendations? And/or give me enough material to tell him to get something a bit bigger. He also still wants to use the old NUC as an external hard drive, is that possible or would we have to pull it out of the box? Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 16:08 on May 23, 2024 |
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What kind of budget are we talking here? Minisforum has a few pretty decent options, MS-01 with a low profile nvidia GPU might be an option if he likes AI Denoise in Lightroom/Photoshop (he probably doesn't, given his current NUC...). It can also fit multiple drives. Otherwise, an AMD system might be a good option, e.g. the Venus UM790 Pro. You can set the old NUC up as a NAS or fileshare, but I would strongly suggest he buy a Synology NAS instead, with RAID1. What does he do for backups?
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# ? May 23, 2024 16:16 |
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Wibla posted:What kind of budget are we talking here? He says the budget isn’t super important and is subservient to the specs. Cheaper’s nicer but he doesn’t need a gaming rig, just a nice and reliable Photoshop+Lightroom station. I say the budget isn’t much of a factor because my parents are pretty well off, so. quote:Minisforum has a few pretty decent options, MS-01 with a low profile nvidia GPU might be an option if he likes AI Denoise in Lightroom/Photoshop (he probably doesn't, given his current NUC...). It can also fit multiple drives. Otherwise, an AMD system might be a good option, e.g. the Venus UM790 Pro. quote:I don’t use denoise precisely because it brings the computer down to its knees. If I had it available, I probably would use it. So he might want to use stuff like AI denoise, he just currently can’t. The MS-01 could be good. quote:You can set the old NUC up as a NAS or fileshare, but I would strongly suggest he buy a Synology NAS instead, with RAID1. What does he do for backups? According to him, his backups are an external drive (I don’t remember if it’s hard disk or solid state) plus BackBlaze for the internal SSD. Doesn’t sound like a backup strategy to me at all, but he’ll need to be convinced otherwise. What advantages does a NAS + RAID1 have over an external drive and cloud (aside from the obvious answer of “a lot”)?
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# ? May 23, 2024 16:35 |
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why not like a mac mini or something
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Pollyanna posted:He considered and likes the idea of a Mac Mini, but hates macOS (understandable) and prefers Windows
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# ? May 23, 2024 18:16 |
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hes an adult he can manage
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SalTheBard posted:drat if this has come out 6 months ago I probably would've done this case for my build I wish I could find a single review that built an air-cooled system in it.
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orcane posted:meanwhile the C4 v2 gets yet another survey (ITX OR mATX?) Sadly video cards are also so big now I don't think I will ever go ITX again.
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