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Worse for who? Like if you dont think the pack is good value for money (which it obviously isn't because it's paying for progress in a gacha game) you shouldn't buy it. I'm basically trying to understand the angle of your criticism here. If paying players get more stuff in a game where they compete with free players, is it better/worse if they get less/more stuff for their money?
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I think people are sort of confounded because you've taken a simple, true, statement "they nerfed the rewards for various things" and spun it off into some weird discussion about relativism and how nothing really matters. I guess the rewards for the existing content is still the same, but if e.g. chapters 1-10 gave you 10 pulls each and then they added a new chapter 11 that gives 5 pulls for the same amount of content I think it's fair to call that "nerfing the rewards [for completing a chapter]".
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Rewards and resources absolutely don't matter though, and its vacuous to use their increases/decreases as a meaningful measure of a game's quality. It's like judging a sonic game based on how many rings you get to collect.
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hit button posted:Rewards and resources absolutely don't matter though, and its vacuous to use their increases/decreases as a meaningful measure of a game's quality. It's like judging a sonic game based on how many rings you get to collect. What the gently caress.
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May 13, 2024 20:24
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I don't play this game but presumably resources gate content(using more characters). So it's not like rings in a Sonic game.
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slot machine game enjoyer arguing that slot machine pulls overrated
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No, it's pretty trivial to obtain all the characters and experience the game's content. The resources are a power progression system, not unlocking content.Good Citizen posted:slot machine game enjoyer arguing that slot machine pulls overrated hit button fucked around with this message at 20:33 on May 13, 2024 |
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hit button posted:I mean, yeah. I only play gacha games that are good games, not because they're slot machines. I kind of assumed that was the consensus in here? Nah I just like gambling and huge anime titties
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hit button posted:Rewards and resources absolutely don't matter though, and its vacuous to use their increases/decreases as a meaningful measure of a game's quality. It's like judging a sonic game based on how many rings you get to collect. gacha games are objectively worse in all ways than normal games in terms of gameplay, the reason you are playing is the pleasure of building your collection + progressing in the game. if you take those away what reason is there to continue playing
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May 13, 2024 20:35
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I dont have an angle of criticism. My interest was piqued when people were defending Lillith's changes, so I wanted to know if the changes were good or bad. They still sound bad, and so far, I haven't seen a counterargument that isn't copium
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May 13, 2024 20:38
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Indecisive posted:gacha games are objectively worse in all ways than normal games in terms of gameplay, the reason you are playing is the pleasure of building your collection + progressing in the game. if you take those away what reason is there to continue playing Depends on the games, they tend to be better than other f2p mobile games which often have a lot more pay-to-progress or timegating with pay-to-skip-this-wait or annoying ad spam. Though it depends on the gacha game also, some are more involved while others are just designed for you to autobattle through everything. e: addendum: they're better than other f2p mobile games as long as you're not one of the gambling addicts they're designed to prey on
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Depends on the games, they tend to be better than other f2p mobile games which often have a lot more pay-to-progress or timegating with pay-to-skip-this-wait or annoying ad spam. Though it depends on the gacha game also, some are more involved while others are just designed for you to autobattle through everything. Yeah, they're better, in my opinion, than the timer based stuff like that at least used to dominate the western f2p mobile space. I don't know if I'd go as far as "objectively worse in all ways" vs. non-f2p stuff but I agree with the spirit of Indecisive's post. When I was a kid I liked opening packs of pokemon/mtg cards and now I play these. So much of the appeal is growing your army of cool/powerful/rare dudes and the non-trivial acquisition is a part of that. The nice part is that unlike TCGs you can get quite a lot of content in these for free if you're disciplined about it (and pick the right game).
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nerfing the gem/pull currency income is insane even if they didnt take away the initial stuff you got lol. its a scummy way to try and force people to pay after they got used to being able to roll the amount they wer.e hit button posted:Rewards and resources absolutely don't matter though, and its vacuous to use their increases/decreases as a meaningful measure of a game's quality. It's like judging a sonic game based on how many rings you get to collect.
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I got bored of AFK Journey after about a week when the it devolved into "collect your daily ration of purple dust and then do some chores" with the long-term horizon being "collect a million duplicates to make your characters work properly". Unrelatedly, I am curious about Wuthering Waves but I don't know if I have enough room in my gacha-brain for it in addition to Genshin and Star Rail. It seems like the combat might be a bit more crunchy and interesting than Genshin so maybe has some legs on that front, but it will have to be exceptionally generous and casual friendly. I have already written off ZZZ because the very focused corridor combat gameplay seems like it will get very tedious if I don't feel like playing it every single day. Unironically my willingness to play WW will probably depend mostly on how annoying it is to passively collect my daily gemeralds (assuming the game is good in the first place). Scoss fucked around with this message at 23:07 on May 13, 2024 |
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I just have genshin mostly out of inertia at this point even with my many complaints about it, and Nikke which I am 100% in deep on in large part for story reasons but also liking the characters. It's nice having a very quick daily clear and no stamina to worry about so I can just do a quick clear over lunch or chunk out some time for main or bond story stuff in the evening when I feel like it. They've also apparently said recently that the events and story up through the current chapter are all just prologue. Genuinely more excited for updates on it than any game in recent memory, gacha or not, just because I'm invested in the story and characters.
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Wuthering waves looks neat but also its gear grind sounds even worse than Genshin's which is a big part of why i quit that game.
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big cummers ONLY posted:I dont have an angle of criticism. My interest was piqued when people were defending Lillith's changes, so I wanted to know if the changes were good or bad. They still sound bad, and so far, I haven't seen a counterargument that isn't copium What changes.
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I didn't like Genshin Impact, but I'm still going to give Wuthering Waves a poke even though it has a similar action-based gameplay style. It's going to have to be super-good to be in my regular rotation though, since I'm already playing three other games (Granblue Fantasy/Arknights/Star Rail).
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Wuthering waves looks neat but also its gear grind sounds even worse than Genshin's which is a big part of why i quit that game. that sounds absolutely disgusting, but we'll see
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i will probably poke WW for the 1 week before ZZZ comes out and then drop it like the trash it is
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Meowywitch posted:that sounds absolutely disgusting, but we'll see Well reportedly enough people complained about it during the beta that Kuro Games said they'd tweak the system. Game launches May 24th though so I wouldn't expect huge changes.
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WW's localization also does not look particularly great considering how much money they've poured into it. Add that into their Discord message looking for fans who were willing to help localize for free and it doesn't paint an amazing picture.
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Ibblebibble posted:WW's localization also does not look particularly great considering how much money they've poured into it. Add that into their Discord message looking for fans who were willing to help localize for free and it doesn't paint an amazing picture. So Tower of Fantasy again?
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Ibblebibble posted:Add that into their Discord message looking for fans who were willing to help localize for free and it doesn't paint an amazing picture. ...nevermind, I think I'll stay away from this game. Localization freeloading is gross.
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to be clear they were just asking for proofreaders, not people literally translating the raw text. it was basically just offering free beta access in exchange for focusing on the eng text.
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Not exactly on topic but speaking of genshin gear systems I can’t believe that’s what diablo 4 is going with as their big season update. Like… I unno they’ve never seen the like one complaint anyone has about it? They are adding resetting and trying the gamble again but lol.
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I got an ad for Snowbreak Containment Zone it seemed cool looking? Absolutely never heard of it before.
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Indecisive posted:i will probably poke WW for the 1 week before ZZZ comes out and then drop it like the trash it is I thought zzz was in july
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Afk games are the worse gacha games because there's no actual gameplay involved. Spending money is dumb in afk games because the $200 you spend on this month's special deals will be completely invalidated by next month's $200 worth of deals due to the constant power creep that needs to be introduced because the entire point is to make your combat power number go up up up. If you can do it f2p that's great, but the game isn't for you. It's for the people who have no issue dropping $5000+ a month every month for all months.
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kater posted:I got an ad for Snowbreak Containment Zone it seemed cool looking? Absolutely never heard of it before. I think that's the one that was saved by going super horny to the point that they're going back and removing male NPCs from the early chapters
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I played it for a few days a while back before the devs went insane and it was "OK" but not particularly engaging. Definitely not worth getting invested in these days now though lol.
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cirus posted:I think that's the one that was saved by going super horny to the point that they're going back and removing male NPCs from the early chapters That sounds so wild to me
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Yeah it's a third person shooter game (unique concept!) but the shooting part was meh enough to turn off most of their initial gameplay-focused players so they refocused on the waifu crowd They recently changed their age rating in china to 18+ so they could add hornier $20 skins
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Looks like Lilith caved and are making sure the rewards are going to be comparable to the launch content.
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i think snowbreak was fun, shooter is a rare genre for gacha and it played alright, but the story and artstyle were pretty 'meh' and couldn't keep me interested
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Yeah. I played briefly when it launched because a third person shooter was unique but past the novelty it was an unremarkable, by-the-numbers gacha.
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TV Zombie posted:That sounds so wild to me This was foretold on the very same page my friend Good Citizen posted:Nah I just like gambling and huge anime titties As someone who has worked in this stupid f2p industry for a decade+ now, lemme shoot straight. The above statement is the one real god of gacha. It always performs better. Turns out degens like both gambling and huge anime titties. And the rest of us can just get some occasionally good games out of the process that they subsidize for us.
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Indecisive posted:i will probably poke WW for the 1 week before ZZZ comes out and then drop it like the trash it is For me it's gonna come down to which has the cooler parrying
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