Scruffpuff posted:

Was that so hard? It's hard to believe that the show is recorded in advance.

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

you, sir, just got octopoded

he's an it guy so of course he'll see the problems in their network and server stack

I play a lot of nintendo games so I would focus on their lack of fun

also color

Octopode posted:

There's almost no interdependence there that should have caused big issues between spatial positioning and render code and gameplay systems.

Booblord Zagats posted:

I don't always get your gimmick but I appreciate the effort it must take

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

this is why i'll never take you seriously

you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about and yet you're certain you're right

if someone would ask you to source this you'd do some defensive "why don't you find it out yourself"

aleksendr posted:

But not totally insane. We have very little details on the "why" illfonic work was scraped. A scenario where "You can have the PU at 16 players or Star Marine at 16 players, not both because the server crash" could hold water.

SelenicMartian posted:

Scruffpuff posted:

Sandi would be difficult to emulate, because you'd have to wrap your head around the "almost English" that they're written in.

Booblord Zagats posted:

No self respecting Sci Fi anything should have an Episode I Jar-Jar toy on set

wyoak posted:

i'm confused i thought star marine was originally gonna be it's own 'module' (so a separate game launched from the same menu) from the PTU, why would they have to merge code at all

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I bet it's there ironically.


Because Star Marine was supposed to represent the FPS portion of Star Citizen. So if you have this super awesome FPS module then people would naturally expect that to be how FPS works for the rest of the game. Imagine how pissed people would be if they really had launched Star Marine as a standalone model and then the Baby PU still had the shallow FPS placeholder we have now.

VenusRedux posted:

My cattes want to be considered for inclusions in funny things:




Also I wanted to post because it makes a few of these uh, SC fans really mad that I do, for some reason.

wyoak posted:

i'm confused i thought star marine was originally gonna be it's own 'module' (so a separate game launched from the same menu) from the PTU, why would they have to merge code at all

SelenicMartian posted:

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

you, sir, just got octopoded

he's an it guy so of course he'll see the problems in their network and server stack

I play a lot of nintendo games so I would focus on their lack of fun

also color

blueberrysmith posted:

Is there one of those shitfest livestreams about to start up today?

Octopode posted:

I think people are a little too up in arms about something that probably needs to happen if they want the game to ever actually come out; for all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over broken promises and un-lived up to hype, sacrificing what was, ultimately, an extraneous game mode largely disconnected from the core gameplay experience is a better project management decision than CIG has shown in the past. If they manage to stick out all the vitriol associated with it, it will say a lot about whether they are going to be able to run a functional game that appeals to more than whales in the face of inevitable outcry from the $15K+ backers or if they are going to cave to the very loud minority in the face of unpopular decisions that are better for the game.

No dev accounts that have closed as of last night since December. A couple renames, but they're still active.

Daztek posted:

In a few mins~

Klyith posted:

Because they wanted people to be able to get in and out of spaceships without having to have a super-long loading screen. Plus fill promises like boarding and being able to walk around the spaceships.


Really, if they had just wanted to keep up the scam they totally could have pushed out something called "Star Marine" as a separate module. Players would need to quit to the main menu to go between AC and SM, the physics of on-foot movement and such would have been totally different between the SM module and PTU, and people would get hands-on time with a FPS that would never possibly make it into the final product. The fact that they just canned it instead was at least honest of them.

Klyith posted:

Most of the plausible reasons for this would come down to failure to integrate the 2 codebases in a way that doesn't produce an enormous screaming bugfests.

The idea that locational damage is enough to overwhelm the network is real dumb, and definitely not a reason to scrap millions of dollars of work with a "guess we can't deploy this code that works perfectly otherwise".

Until there is some real proof the "code merger" hypothesis is by far the simplest explanation, because code mergers are no joke. You need some grade A project management to split your work in the way they did between CIG and Illfonic. Star Citizen doesn't deserve even a grade F for project management. It isn't even in the loving school.

blueberrysmith posted:

God damnit. I'm still permanently banned from chat in this twitch. Time to create some new accounts. I'm dying to hear more about this Star Marine module.

Octopode posted:

No, honestly. Knowing the likely areas that were worked on necessary for each set of implementations, the idea of the code merge being impossible, as seems to be the accepted collective vision here, is a bit ridiculous. There's almost no interdependence there that should have caused big issues between spatial positioning and render code and gameplay systems. I think it much more likely, based on what we've seen in the past, their network and server stack was overwhelmed with the addition of several new states being tracked and managed for every player (locational damage tracking, breathing system, etc.) and they decided whiz-bang ship simulation was a better use of resources within their current limitations. Once you remove those sorts of systems, there's little left to differentiate it from just another set of CryEngine maps, and not a whole lot of reason to highlight the sub-par feel of a CryEngine shooter with an entire game mode.

Octopode posted:

One hypothesis requires you to assume that the engineers who built and are intimately familiar with the engine at hand were incapable of integrating gameplay systems changes made to that engine with their own modifications, while the other requires some evidence that the current network implementation is near its capacity, such as trying and failing to recently increase player counts (not even ships) by a small amount. The network and server stack has also traditionally been both CIG and CryTek's biggest problem area, engineering-wise.