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Immortan posted:Liberals are losing. It's a side effect of becoming social authoritarians much like the religious right were in the 90s. Mccarthyism is a proud American tradition
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Terror Sweat posted:Mccarthyism is a proud American tradition Understanding the world outside the confines of your safe space isn't 'McCarthyism'.
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May 19, 2016 14:42
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Before it was necessary to beat back the Reds to protect freedom and the American way of life. Now we do it to get a moments fuckin peace from their whining
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The American far left is an obese man carried on a palanquin by a working class that's increasingly made up of men and women of all faiths, creeds, and colors. If one of them reaches down to pick up a quarter he pulls out his megaphone and screams "EXPLOITER" at them. This arrangement has worked well for him for many years, however through diversity they're realizing that they have more in common with each other than him and this has made him so uncomfortable he's been encouraging the white ones to beat up the other ones.
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May 19, 2016 15:10
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Al! posted:The American far left is an obese man carried on a palanquin by a working class that's increasingly made up of men and women of all faiths, creeds, and colors. If one of them reaches down to pick up a quarter he pulls out his megaphone and screams "EXPLOITER" at them. This arrangement has worked well for him for many years, however through diversity they're realizing that they have more in common with each other than him and this has made him so uncomfortable he's been encouraging the white ones to beat up the other ones. I don't think the far left has ever been the ruling class, unless we're starting up maoism again and getting that hate amerikkka beat out
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May 19, 2016 18:01
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Al! posted:The American far left is an obese man carried on a palanquin by a working class that's increasingly made up of men and women of all faiths, creeds, and colors. If one of them reaches down to pick up a quarter he pulls out his megaphone and screams "EXPLOITER" at them. This arrangement has worked well for him for many years, however through diversity they're realizing that they have more in common with each other than him and this has made him so uncomfortable he's been encouraging the white ones to beat up the other ones. Which major American ideology would this not describe? "Maaah rights" is the universal cry of every tribal grouping in America from libertarians to paleoconservatives to militias all the way to the Trots and Anarchists, and all those groups grow fat off the exploitation of the actual poors who pick fruit, sweep the trash and throw out their backs carrying poo poo around.
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May 19, 2016 18:49
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Helsing posted:Which major American ideology would this not describe? "Maaah rights" is the universal cry of every tribal grouping in America from libertarians to paleoconservatives to militias all the way to the Trots and Anarchists, and all those groups grow fat off the exploitation of the actual poors who pick fruit, sweep the trash and throw out their backs carrying poo poo around. all except one ideology Liberalism
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May 19, 2016 18:53
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Al! posted:The American far left is an obese man carried on a palanquin by a working class that's increasingly made up of men and women of all faiths, creeds, and colors. If one of them reaches down to pick up a quarter he pulls out his megaphone and screams "EXPLOITER" at them. This arrangement has worked well for him for many years, however through diversity they're realizing that they have more in common with each other than him and this has made him so uncomfortable he's been encouraging the white ones to beat up the other ones. You sound hysterical and triggered.
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May 19, 2016 19:30
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I have to admit, liberalism is pretty great. I only have to pay my landscaper $3/hour and bunch of nerdlingers pay me way too much money to help them with their retarded startup junk that they plan to have manufactured in Shenzhen. Still, it sucks that the cost of real estate is driven through the roof by foreign industrialists and exiled warlords. Sigh.
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May 24, 2016 20:35
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Al! posted:Liberalism you wouldn't say this is The End of History, would you
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Maoist Pussy posted:I have to admit, liberalism is pretty great. I only have to pay my landscaper $3/hour and bunch of nerdlingers pay me way too much money to help them with their retarded startup junk that they plan to have manufactured in Shenzhen. Still, it sucks that the cost of real estate is driven through the roof by foreign industrialists and exiled warlords. Sigh. huh? you have your job because of liberalism?
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Stinky_Pete posted:huh? you have your job because of liberalism? America is built on a liberal framework.
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May 24, 2016 21:24
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:America is built on a liberal framework. ...so Maoist Pussy is using it in the European sense?
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May 24, 2016 23:28
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Stinky_Pete posted:...so Maoist Pussy is using it in the European sense? I don't really think American liberalism is that far removed from the academic definition tbqh. American liberals aren't even interested in social democracy. Their ideals about the state and society are still firmly rooted in the Enlightenment tradition.
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May 24, 2016 23:32
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Al! posted:The American far left is an obese man carried on a palanquin by a working class that's increasingly made up of men and women of all faiths, creeds, and colors. If one of them reaches down to pick up a quarter he pulls out his megaphone and screams "EXPLOITER" at them. This arrangement has worked well for him for many years, however through diversity they're realizing that they have more in common with each other than him and this has made him so uncomfortable he's been encouraging the white ones to beat up the other ones. nice meltdown
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Stinky_Pete posted:...so Maoist Pussy is using it in the European sense? I am. I am an American, but I have come to realize that using the term "liberal" in the American sense is dumb and confusing.
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May 24, 2016 23:36
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The way "liberal" is being used here basically just describes the 10% or so of the population living in households that have one or more professional degree holders with decent jobs. As a class they are socially liberal but generally don't want to pay the high taxes necessary to support a welfare state, they like open boarders so they can hire people from the third world at low prices to landscape their properties and care for their children, and they value technocratic managerialism over the messy politics of the left and the right. Calling them liberals isn't inaccurate per se but it probably exagerates the degree to which it's politics rather than social signalling that motivates their beliefs. "Yuppie shithead" might be a more accurate term.
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May 25, 2016 00:40
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Maoist Pussy posted:I am. I am an American, but I have come to realize that using the term "liberal" in the American sense is dumb and confusing. lmao, look at this troglodyte too stupid to understand that "liberal" means "good and correct"
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May 25, 2016 00:41
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Who What Now is like a six year old who makes the exact same knock knock joke over and over again thinking it will be even funnier with each retelling.
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I mean, he is perfectly in the spirit of the thread.
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May 25, 2016 01:10
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Helsing posted:Who What Now is like a six year old who makes the exact same knock knock joke over and over again thinking it will be even funnier with each retelling. he's funnier than you 
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Helsing posted:The way "liberal" is being used here basically just describes the 10% or so of the population living in households that have one or more professional degree holders with decent jobs. As a class they are socially liberal but generally don't want to pay the high taxes necessary to support a welfare state, they like open boarders so they can hire people from the third world at low prices to landscape their properties and care for their children, and they value technocratic managerialism over the messy politics of the left and the right.
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May 25, 2016 01:20
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:he's funnier than you That goes without saying. I'm a liberal, and thus better at everything than the common plebs.
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Separating out "social liberalism" and attaching it to faux democratic socialism is the invention of American yuppies
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Well, it'd be social-democratic, not democratic socialism you should be referring to, and I guess my point would be that liberalism encompasses a set of political beliefs, which you can use in a bunch of different ways depending on what you actually want. So I disagree with the implication that it's apolitical, or that because the beliefs are self-interested that they're not political - a poor person who wants a better welfare system will definitely have their self-interest in mind, but that doesn't undermine that that's somehow not an expression of a political worldview, because of course your politics is shaped by experience. It's a real, authentic politics being expressed in that case, but so is the opinions of the, uh, 'yuppies'. So if that is seen as valid, and I think it should, then the 'social-signalling', or more specifically the desire to be seen as a good person, should also count. If there's a failing, it's with what is seen as good and why. In conclusion, all of this will be made irrelevant by the eventual victory of the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism.
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You can desire to be seen as good under any political system, whether that good favor be achieved by tithing or informing on one's class enemy neighbors or keeping one's lawn neat or counting coup on an enemy tribesman. It is still naked social climbing.
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Maoist Pussy posted:You can desire to be seen as good under any political system, whether that good favor be achieved by tithing or informing on one's class enemy neighbors or keeping one's lawn neat or counting coup on an enemy tribesman. It is still naked social climbing. There is one true good in the world, and that is immaculate lawn care. This is not an ironic post.
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Lawns are dumb and bad, and may as well be astroturf Any other kind of front yard, such as a rock garden, is the cool and good kind of front yard
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Sayyid Qutb, one of the intellectual forerunners of modern Islamism and Al Qaeda, spent time in the USA during the 1950s while studying the American education system. He hated everything about American society, but apparently one of his biggest gripes was with the nicely manicured and well watered suburban lawns being maintained in a desert climate.
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As a smug liberal, I am in the process of removing my lawn to save water, but because of the agreement of this Al-Quaefa guy I am less motivated. Hmm.
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Maoist Pussy posted:As a smug liberal, I am in the process of removing my lawn to save water, but because of the agreement of this Al-Quaefa guy I am less motivated. Hmm. No no no, he is in your in-group. You should only feel conflicted if Margaret Thatcher was against green lawns
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Helsing posted:Sayyid Qutb, one of the intellectual forerunners of modern Islamism and Al Qaeda, spent time in the USA during the 1950s while studying the American education system. He hated everything about American society, but apparently one of his biggest gripes was with the nicely manicured and well watered suburban lawns being maintained in a desert climate. i know it takes water out of the municipal supply, but in terms of the environment is watering your grass really that wasteful? doesnt it just go into the water cycle
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it's true that the water is not removed from the hydrosphere but 1) water is heavy. water supply systems (reservoirs, canals, pumps, water treatment plants, etc) expend energy transporting water into the desert; using that water to create green lawns is a pretty inefficient way of expending the energy required to move the water 2) you're taking water in its most useful form - post-treatment plant, liquid, in pipes going directly to people's houses - and turning it into a form that costs a lot of money to be made useful again -runoff from lawns introduces contaminants to the water supply which requires energy to remove -evaporation transforms the water into a form that is inaccessible to the water supply system it came from; there's studies, a lot of them using global climate models, that suggest a slight increase in precipitation as a result of irrigation, but spraying water into the air to make it rain somewhere eventually isn't part of any water management portfolio i can think of offhand -groundwater recharge is great, but there's a lot of money being spent on finding the most effective sites and methods to accomplish it artificially and i haven't heard anyone putting suburbs high on that list so it's not the worst thing in the world, it doesn't literally result in a chemical reaction destroying the h2o molecule or anything, and it's just the way we choose to spend our money/hydrocarbons and all, but it's pretty hard to argue it's not wasteful especially from the perspective of a third-world arid country oystertoadfish has issued a correction as of 03:42 on May 27, 2016 |
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Helsing posted:Sayyid Qutb, one of the intellectual forerunners of modern Islamism and Al Qaeda, spent time in the USA during the 1950s while studying the American education system. He hated everything about American society, but apparently one of his biggest gripes was with the nicely manicured and well watered suburban lawns being maintained in a desert climate. Imagine how different recent history would be if he was inspired by this to get really into xeriscaping
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oystertoadfish posted:-groundwater recharge is great, but there's a lot of money being spent on finding the most effective sites and methods to accomplish it artificially and Also, most lawns have a big black tarp thing under them to separate them from the denser pleb soil, so that water is going to have a hard time joining the groundwater at large
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Stinky_Pete posted:Also, most lawns have a big black tarp thing under them to separate them from the denser pleb soil, so that water is going to have a hard time joining the groundwater at large lol i didnt know that lawns are some silly-rear end poo poo
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I know of nobody who has tarp under their lawns; only under areas where you lay mulch, and normally it's a type of mesh fabric to keep weeds/grass from poking through. Of course, this is in the Northeast. I don't know what kind of operation the West Coast freaks are running.
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Count Freebasie posted:I know of nobody who has tarp under their lawns; only under areas where you lay mulch, and normally it's a type of mesh fabric to keep weeds/grass from poking through. They also do it at a lot of parks and so forth, to keep kids from digging down to the wrong dirt and getting heavy metals in their system. I don't understand how it works but I heard about it on The Weeds, because a lot of cities didn't bother to do it in black neighborhoods so it's yet another way they gave black kids lead poisoning, and it's an example of the invisible harms of redlining (e.g. if black people lived near white people and went to the same parks, the black people would be protected because the city wanted to protect the white people).
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Stinky_Pete posted:They also do it at a lot of parks and so forth, to keep kids from digging down to the wrong dirt and getting heavy metals in their system. I don't understand how it works but I heard about it on The Weeds, because a lot of cities didn't bother to do it in black neighborhoods so it's yet another way they gave black kids lead poisoning, and it's an example of the invisible harms of redlining (e.g. if black people lived near white people and went to the same parks, the black people would be protected because the city wanted to protect the white people). If we're talking about parks, especially ones built in cities (where the grass was brought in and laid), I get that. Also corporate centers, etc., where you're trying to bring "nature" into an area that is mostly concrete and macadam. Outside of cities, though, I think the vast majority of lawns and yards that people have are just straight up earth.
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