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There's no Jujutsu God, but Cursed Energy is a system. What Sukuna is able to achieve with Binding Vows is the consequence of what Enlightenment looks like within it: full knowledge of himself, his place in the order of the world, and the willingness to fearlessly gamble his karma allow Sukuna to push past what other practitioners consider the logical limits of the craft.
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NowonSA posted:This whole Sukuna fight is an all-timer crazy shonen manga fight. I don't think I've seen this much crazy bullshit involving all sorts of characters and abilities since the end of Naruto. You should definitely read Toriko. Compared to my feelings on this fight, Toriko's final battle is far more insane but also far more internally consistent.
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May 20, 2024 03:58
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PringleCreamEgg posted:My take on the binding vows fixation is that it’s the explanation on why Sukuna is so dominant as the King of Curses. It’s just something that needs to make sense in your head at the time, there isn’t some all-powerful Jujutsu God determining if you secretly broke a vow or if it’s reasonable. So Sukuna is the best at gaslighting himself into thinking that ridiculous vows that boost his strength for minimal consequences are actually totally fair and valid. Gojo is a golfer who can absolutely crush the ball harder than anyone else, and he's okay at putting. He doesn't need to worry too much about putting beyond a point because who the hell is ever gonna smash like him? Sukuna has a mutant swing and a putting skill better than anyone else ever. Even if he can't match Gojo's distance, he can get drat close and then best him in the short game. Binding vows are putting. This is the dumbest post I've ever attempted in the anime forum.
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May 20, 2024 04:11
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Closest i've come to understanding BVs honestly
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May 20, 2024 04:12
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Binding Vows are like throwing a lateral in proper football. It's a stupid snap decision play made by only the truly mad or desperate and they almost always always always fail. But sometimes....someone is mad or desperate or just good enough to make it work and we're seeing literally an entire generation of the Most Mad and Most Desperate and Most Skilled slapping hands so they're doin it.
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May 20, 2024 04:44
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binding vows are when you make the extra pass to turn a good shot into a great shot
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May 20, 2024 04:55
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I think Binding Vows are like dogs and they just sort of do things arbitrarily
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May 20, 2024 05:06
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Gologle posted:I think Binding Vows are like dogs and they just sort of do things arbitrarily Sukuna doing binding vows: 
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May 20, 2024 05:10
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Don't do dogs you sick degenerate fucks.
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May 20, 2024 05:17
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Binding Vows are just more interesting in Hunter x Hunter where they are a very specific thing to a character based on their personality and there's a more sort of clear cause/effect element to it. I don't necessarily have a problem with them in theory in JJK but they feel kind of arbitrary and the fact that there's no clear concept of what a failed one does. It's not the end of the world or anything but it's one of the those things where the fights end up focusing on poorly explored minutia instead of the actual awesome poo poo and it drags it down. Thankfully Todo vibroslapped the poo poo out of the boring minutia so we're all good there.
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May 20, 2024 06:12
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You might say binding vows are the Dark Souls of anime power levels discussions
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May 20, 2024 06:28
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Again, all this talk about binding vows being some kind of nuclear option that is really hard to pull off doesn't jive with how commonplace they are. A ton of sorcerers just start their fights declaring what their cursed technique does to make it more powerful.
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May 20, 2024 07:36
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Binding Vows are overpowered if you are delusionally overconfident which kind of feels like a self-perpetuating cycle. Win with BV -> get better deals on BVs because you think you are hot poo poo -> keep winning.
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May 20, 2024 15:16
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Don't do dogs you sick degenerate fucks. That's a fox not a dog!
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May 20, 2024 16:45
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The idea that binding vows carried some kind of cost/reward transaction more or less stopped before the Culling Game. Nanami had a binding vow to inform his Overtime ability, where he willingly operated on less cursed energy output until the clock ran out and then he gets a temporary power boost. Ui Ui can't use cursed energy unless he got permission from his sister which is a purposeful part of their anti-domain tandem strategy. The rest of the vows I can think of were contracts between two parties which is also the only time the idea of breaking a vow had drawbacks (Mahito/Kenjaku + Mechamaru). At this point binding vows are just ways to give yourself advantage with marginal at best disadvantages in the case of Sukuna. And for Todo he took an ability crippling injury and made an objective improvement that makes him even more overpowered. I'm just rolling with it at this point but any kind of narrative consistency has long since grown out the window.
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May 20, 2024 16:59
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In Todo's case at least it is a restriction. It means he has to rely on a specific (and to be honest easily breakable) tool. It's still incredibly good because the restriction makes his ability better, but it's also exactly the kind of thing that can and would gently caress him pretty hard because once you damage the vibroslap he's hosed and there are plenty of skills that could screw him within the confines of the series itself. It's a really good way to handle it because it is absurd, over the top, incredibly powerful and has a giant glaring weakness that talented foes or those with unusual powers could reasonably work against. Even just as battlefield control it's most effective only because Yuji and Todo are absurdly in-sync, whereas if Todo just tried to do it with someone randomly there's a good chance they would end up as disoriented as the opponent at 50 Boogies A Second.
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May 20, 2024 17:13
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ImpAtom posted:In Todo's case at least it is a restriction. It means he has to rely on a specific (and to be honest easily breakable) tool. It's still incredibly good because the restriction makes his ability better, but it's also exactly the kind of thing that can and would gently caress him pretty hard because once you damage the vibroslap he's hosed and there are plenty of skills that could screw him within the confines of the series itself. To me it doesn't feel like "wow an easily damaged weak point", like I treat this like any weapon/cursed tool. its literally embedded in his arm so they probably sprung for that good good materials. For the most part Todo's ability is something he uses by himself to beat everyone up and this just makes him even more overpowered at that. Obviously the Todo+Yuji bromance brings it to the next level, but I don't think Todo got this upgrade with using it with others in mind. He can just destroy people solo with it.
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Jerkface posted:To me it doesn't feel like "wow an easily damaged weak point", like I treat this like any weapon/cursed tool. its literally embedded in his arm so they probably sprung for that good good materials. For the most part Todo's ability is something he uses by himself to beat everyone up and this just makes him even more overpowered at that. Obviously the Todo+Yuji bromance brings it to the next level, but I don't think Todo got this upgrade with using it with others in mind. He can just destroy people solo with it. The thing is that a vibroslap isn't a weapon. Even if Todo sprung for good materials, there's no indication that it is a cursed tool or anything of the sort, and even if it was we have countless examples of tools being removed from their user. (Hell, Judgeman could arguably wreck Todo's day using the same skill that took the cursed tool.) It's still extremely good but that's okay. A restriction should make you better.
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The binding vow seems to be specifically about binding the amount of swaps to the oscillations of the vibraslap, the activation condition is not a binding vow but just a change he could apparently make.
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May 20, 2024 17:33
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ImpAtom posted:In Todo's case at least it is a restriction. It means he has to rely on a specific (and to be honest easily breakable) tool. It's still incredibly good because the restriction makes his ability better, but it's also exactly the kind of thing that can and would gently caress him pretty hard because once you damage the vibroslap he's hosed and there are plenty of skills that could screw him within the confines of the series itself. With cursed energy reinforcement being a thing. I don't think that instrument is any more or less breakable than his normal hand would be under the same stress. And losing the Vibraslap would just be the same as losing the the hand he previously needed to use BW so it's still the same weakness with far greater strength in employing the technique.
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No Wave posted:Binding Vows are overpowered if you are delusionally overconfident which kind of feels like a self-perpetuating cycle. Win with BV -> get better deals on BVs because you think you are hot poo poo -> keep winning. Isn't being a sorcerer all about carrying your delusionally overconfident mindset right up until you hit a wall of someone just insanely strong or vastly more delusional?
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Isn't being a sorcerer all about carrying your delusionally overconfident mindset right up until you hit a wall of someone just insanely strong or vastly more delusional? Does the mean Todo has been the strongest this whole time?
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And I love it.
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Brought To You By posted:You should definitely read Toriko. Compared to my feelings on this fight, Toriko's final battle is far more insane but also far more internally consistent. I read Toriko and that's certainly up there too. It just doesn't stick in my head like the last stretch of Naruto did. ImpAtom posted:In Todo's case at least it is a restriction. It means he has to rely on a specific (and to be honest easily breakable) tool. It's still incredibly good because the restriction makes his ability better, but it's also exactly the kind of thing that can and would gently caress him pretty hard because once you damage the vibroslap he's hosed and there are plenty of skills that could screw him within the confines of the series itself. Yeah, I foolishly thought Todo was gonna be screwed because that vibroslap looks like the most easily damaged thing ever, but of course Boogie Woogie remains stupidly effective and it just got 50x more powerful. I'm hoping that it still ends up damaged anyway and Todo's wording of "Boogie Woogie now activates when when a piece of metal hits a wooden box" comes into play anyway when he sneaks a little piece of metal out of one pocket and slaps it against a wooden box he has in his other pocket to do one last Boogie Woogie swap. And it's even better if Sukuna notices it and thinks a swap will come but he jukes him by not swapping yet again.
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May 20, 2024 19:01
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i have a vibraslap and it is a shockingly sturdy instrument. no weaknesses
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Electric Phantasm posted:Does the mean Todo has been the strongest this whole time? It was so satisfying to actually see Sukuna admit "yeah this is the worst possible time for this specific brand of bullshit" Feels good
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Todo is not the strongest but he is absolutely the most annoying and that matters a lot.
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May 20, 2024 19:33
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ImpAtom posted:Todo is not the strongest but he is absolutely the most annoying and that matters a lot. Nah, we can see Sukuna was back to having fun just from trying to figure this mess out. I believe his observation lies in how Todo is both unpredictable and unshakeable, meaning the only way to deal with Boogie Woogie is to overpower him through it, which Sukuna can't do while his own CT is down. Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 19:51 on May 20, 2024 |
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Honestly I really do appreciate that many people love the manga enough that they would try to explain the binding vow thing. That shows a lot of love. Gege enjoys throwing stuff at the wall, and he's legitimately good at doing so in that moment. You don't need to look further than the Takaba/Kenny match to see that; Gege finally had carte blanche to draw and enact a situation that was only limited by his imagination, and frankly, the result is his best work since Shibuya. JJK had an almost unbroken string of hitmaker narrative payoff all the way through Shibuya. Then after, they almost all fail (with bright spots along the way for sure!). It's not really worth debating why, but I think we can agree that this is broadly what happened. It's no surprise that his best work since Takaba/Kenny was this current chapter with Todo. They're both doing the same thing! Which is to say, a situation that allows creativity well in excess of the normal confines of the series; not playing it quite as straight, swerving away from the rationality that made the manga good in an earlier era. Binding vows, imo, have very little payoff. Their current manifestation is just a narrative bandaid that tries to apply a coat of rationality to Gege's attempts to nuance his way out of a system that has simply gotten away from him on so many levels. It feels much more like a shackle than a benefit. If Gege wants to get weird with it, like his recent successes in JJK seem to indicate, I wish he would just... do that and stop worrying about what the manga was, cuz this trying to have it both ways poo poo is not doing anyone any favors  e: btw my favorite JJK youtuber (who is more of an animation guy) goes over the updates to JJK 2x17 anime in way too much detail in a new video today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JoCNvbBoXI Taima fucked around with this message at 20:16 on May 20, 2024 |
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May 20, 2024 19:55
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i didn't think his sex appeal could get anymore broken
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I'm just wondering how you're gonna adapt half of this to anime since you can't NOT have a narrator explaining all of this technique poo poo
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May 20, 2024 20:56
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I can't wait for the soundtrack to just have a bunch of buzzing from Todo's instrument playing throughout multiple episodes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhbwGHuYR-Y fans goin' wild in the comments of this four year old video
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May 20, 2024 21:14
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Fabricated posted:I'm just wondering how you're gonna adapt half of this to anime since you can't NOT have a narrator explaining all of this technique poo poo Go watch the Chimera Ant arc in Hunter x Hunter.
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Slightly Absurd posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhbwGHuYR-Y Did they actually change the title four years later lmao.
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Fabricated posted:I'm just wondering how you're gonna adapt half of this to anime since you can't NOT have a narrator explaining all of this technique poo poo They brought in a Narrator during Shibuya.
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That youtube is the first time i’ve heard a vibraslap and holy moly that’s a lot of clacks. It actually sounds a lot like the sound a roulette wheel makes when spinning which is appropriate.
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I thought it sounded similar but didn't realize the vibraslap was a modern take on quijadas.
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Slightly Absurd posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhbwGHuYR-Y so how much of the metal rod is in todo's arm? i know that poo poo hurts
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yum posted:That youtube is the first time i’ve heard a vibraslap and holy moly that’s a lot of clacks. It actually sounds a lot like the sound a roulette wheel makes when spinning which is appropriate. youve probably heard them in a ton of songs without realizing it, its a common percussion instrument
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