Illinois Politics Thread: Quinn, Corn and Corruption

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Illinois Politics Thread: Quinn, Corn and Corruption

«‹›55 »

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Communist Zombie posted:

Are you talking about Harold Washington? Cause if the Political Scientist is who Im thinking of, after taking his class and reading his books his death was due to stress of being the first black (and technically 'anti-machine' aswell) mayor of the city and not due to foul play.

The one I'm thinking of's cousin is on one of CTA's boards.

E: updated for accuracy

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Aug 12, 2014

# ? Aug 12, 2014 20:13

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ? Jun 8, 2024 13:07

The X-man cometh: Nov 1, 2009

Spreading of Harold Washington, what was the event that caused a rift between him and Pat Quinn? I've heard older black people allude to it, but don't know what happened. They still seem to like him, he was apparently one of his closest assistants at one time.

# ? Aug 13, 2014 01:30

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

The X-man cometh posted:

Spreading of Harold Washington, what was the event that caused a rift between him and Pat Quinn? I've heard older black people allude to it, but don't know what happened. They still seem to like him, he was apparently one of his closest assistants at one time.

Several causes cascaded into a department revolt and political ouster:

1. Quinn was white
2. Quinn hired by merit first, race and patronage second, and refused to hire individuals solely on the basis of race and patronage
3. Quinn refused direct requests by several black preachers for tax lieniency
4. Quinn had the audacity to run a finance position while having ethics
5. Quinn stumbled across some drat deep (tens, if not hundreds, of millions worth) systemic corruption in his department and was either smart or stupid enough to go through the process to start an internal audit, depending who you ask

The last one was the final straw for Quinn, and Quinn's ouster the final straw for Washington. Not six months later and Fast Eddie is a Reagan Republican.

# ? Aug 13, 2014 02:10

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Gonna bump this in an attempt to start some Fair Chat! Anyone going/know the good food tents this year?

# ? Aug 14, 2014 23:08

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

Oracle posted:

Every Republican officeholder south of 80 is a lovely shitbag good ol' boy networked racist as hell sumbitch though, so that's not saying much.

Speaking of which, what was the scuttlebutt around Tim Johnson's suddenly finding himself needing to spend time with his family a few years back? That seemed to have come out of the blue and yet things were strangely silent. Was someone going to break a story about certain bad habits?

Tim Johnson's ultra weird life always stayed under the radar. He lived with something like 3 ex-wives and his current wife in his mansion near Champaign, it never made the news. Also, back in the 80s, he would borrow VCRs from other politicians and watch porn on them, then return the VCR (they stopped letting him do this when he would return the VCR in 30 minutes).

My favorite IL politics story is this one - Back in ~2000, the Senate was actually still Republican, and the house Dem (as it's been every year in the last 60 , other than 95-96). So when it's time to redistrict, there's two competing plans, and the chosen tiebreaker is to have each plan put in a sealed envelope, and put into a hat, which Jesse White then reaches into and pulls out the winner. So they do this, the Democratic plan is chosen (seemingly at random) and everyone goes on their way.

Except about 5 minutes later, the Republicans who'd been in the room realize that when Jesse White opened the winning letter, the back of it wasn't sealed as the agreement required. So the belief is that Madigan told White ahead of time to reach in and feel the back of the first envelope - if it's sealed, grab the other one; or if it's unsealed pull it out. They even tested it themselves to see how easy it was to do and realized how bad they'd been burned.

The moral of the story is that Madigan is a very good politician.

My 2nd favorite story is that the whole Mell vs Blago brouhaha over the weird second cousin's landfill was just reported that way because no one could report the actual story - that Blago had knocked up his secretary and that Mell was understandably furious about it.

My 3rd favorite story is that Big Jim Thompson used to have a weekly pool orgy back in the 80s at the governor's mansion, men/young men only of course. Springfield is such an exciting place.

# ? Aug 15, 2014 14:42

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

mastershakeman posted:

My favorite IL politics story is this one - Back in ~2000, the Senate was actually still Republican, and the house Dem (as it's been every year in the last 60 , other than 95-96). So when it's time to redistrict, there's two competing plans, and the chosen tiebreaker is to have each plan put in a sealed envelope, and put into a hat, which Jesse White then reaches into and pulls out the winner. So they do this, the Democratic plan is chosen (seemingly at random) and everyone goes on their way.

Except about 5 minutes later, the Republicans who'd been in the room realize that when Jesse White opened the winning letter, the back of it wasn't sealed as the agreement required. So the belief is that Madigan told White ahead of time to reach in and feel the back of the first envelope - if it's sealed, grab the other one; or if it's unsealed pull it out. They even tested it themselves to see how easy it was to do and realized how bad they'd been burned.

I'd heard something similar.

mastershakeman posted:

The moral of the story is that Madigan is a very good politician.

Yup.

mastershakeman posted:

My 2nd favorite story is that the whole Mell vs Blago brouhaha over the weird second cousin's landfill was just reported that way because no one could report the actual story - that Blago had knocked up his secretary and that Mell was understandably furious about it.

Yup.

mastershakeman posted:

My 3rd favorite story is that Big Jim Thompson used to have a weekly pool orgy back in the 80s at the governor's mansion, men/young men only of course. Springfield is such an exciting place.

How absolutely Shocking.

I'll share one: Four cops from Bridgeport are escorting north side returns to in two cars. The lead gets a flat on lower Michigan and the tail stops to help. A Cardinal who'd been on the phone with Boston decides to give them a hand.

Or how about a more concrete fuckup by CPD? Back in the 80s, there was a crackdown on the mob. They decide to seize all assets of as many as they can. So CPD now has a bunch of these beautiful cars that they don't trust won't walk off the lot. They take them out to a parking lot under a south suburban secretary of state office. Six months later when its time for the trials, they go back to check on the vehicles. They discover that all the cars were completely rusted through and useless. So, no cars seized during any of the raids. Da CPD.

# ? Aug 16, 2014 01:47

Bizarro Kanyon: Jan 3, 2007; Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!

Down state Illinoisian here.

I am surrounded by the red of the red in Southern Illinois. It is depressing dealing with the mentalities found here. I have always lived here and love this region but many of the people who inhabit this place break my soul. In between their absolute hatred towards all things Chicago to their horrible views on social issues, it is just amazing the spite that can be witnessed.

A friend if mine has been working for Republican campaigns and for the General Assembly for years, he was the one who leaked the Rutherford sexual harassment story to the press. I like it when these stories pop up in the media and more of them should (Thank you Jeri Ryan for helping inform the public on your husband's sexual kinks, it helped out Obama a lot).

In local races, my vote does not matter. If there is a contest between a Republican or Democrat, Republicans always win. As for statewide races, I usually vote Democrat. I wish we had a "neither candidate" option because I dislike Quinn but I really do not want Rauner in there either. If worse comes to worse (it will) Quinn gets my vote.

News (check out https://www.capitolfax.com )

Green Party is off the November ballot for not having enough signatures.

Rauner's term limit initiative is off the ballot as well. Rauner was using that as a GOTV measure to help more Republicans come to the polls. He is now framing it as politicians protecting their own so we need to vote in "pro-term limit representatives and governors" to solve the problem.

# ? Aug 24, 2014 22:15

The X-man cometh: Nov 1, 2009

The term limit thing is pretty ridiculous considering that Pat Quinn tried to get term limits in the 90s, but the Illinois Supreme Court struck it down. They used the Quinn case as precedent for striking down Rauner's try, but none of the local news ever bothered to look it up.

# ? Aug 24, 2014 23:19

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

quote:

In between their absolute hatred towards all things Chicago to their horrible views on social issues

Just mentally replace 'Chicago' with 'black' and suddenly all things become clear.

# ? Aug 25, 2014 16:25

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Oracle posted:

Just mentally replace 'Chicago' with 'black' and suddenly all things become clear.

Same applies to Chicago public schools. Look at the uproar from the firefighter's union against Emanuel's shoring up of his base: by removing the incentives for whites to opt-out of CPS, you'll improve all the stats for CPS. Make no mistake, a lot of the working-class religious schools exist in this city same as they do in the south.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 06:27

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

I thought it was more from discrimination against Catholics that they formed their own schools and then once the color change started they got more of an influx of too poor to move to the 'burbs non-Catholics white flighting from public school.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:27

unnoticed: Nov 29, 2005; That's odd...

My Imaginary GF posted:

Now to compare cost-effectiveness: Indianapolis media buys impact primarily within the state of Indiana, and Champaign certainly isn't Indiana. What gets someone to vote D in Illinois may reduce D voter turnout in Indiana. So, to avoid loving with your national party efforts, your party's regional coordinator tends to ensure that the greatest return on investment is produced for these interstate media buys. There is less national funding for media buys in the Indianapolis market designed to impact Champaign County, which means that the primary turnout mechanism must be accomplished through...non-media buys. Or, as I put in the USPol thread,

Maybe I don't get how a media buy works or understand your post, but Champaign has it's own affiliates that you can buy ads on so why does it matter if the issues are different than Indiana? Can't you just target Champaign by running a specific ad?

# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:04

The X-man cometh: Nov 1, 2009

Oracle posted:

I thought it was more from discrimination against Catholics that they formed their own schools and then once the color change started they got more of an influx of too poor to move to the 'burbs non-Catholics white flighting from public school.

It's more that the white Catholics weren't afraid of desegregation because their kids didn't go to public schools. And many of them had city jobs. And the CPD would beat the poo poo out of any minority who wandered close to Bridgeport/Beverly/Galewood/etc.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:13

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

So speaking of education...

Chancellor Wise at UIUC has apparently blamed the Board of Trustees for the uninviting of Steven Salaita after he got snippy about Israel's actions in Gaza on twitter, first saying it was "(pretty much) a unilateral decision" then that she was expressing �the sentiment of the Board of Trustees, it was not mine.� Now questions arise as to whether or not the Board (legally) has the right to decide anything of the sort (we all know unofficially they have the clout, but in that case did Wise just kind of point out the elephant in the room? Wasn't that undue influence over academic affairs supposed to have been cleaned up after the admissions scandal?)

For those not familiar with what I'm talking about, see here and here and here.

# ? Sep 5, 2014 16:55

The X-man cometh: Nov 1, 2009

So Karen Lewis is running for mayor.
:munch:

# ? Sep 6, 2014 23:36

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

The X-man cometh posted:

So Karen Lewis is running for mayor.

Chicago is getting a minimum wage hike.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 00:37

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

The X-man cometh posted:

So Karen Lewis is running for mayor.

Link? Neither the Suntimes nor the Trib website has anything on this.

She'd have a shot at this, given Chicago's jungle primary and the recent polling. On the other hand: Rahm's corporate donors. This is the one race that could get me excited about electoral politics again. :sweatdrop:

eta: A Google news search turns up that she's holding a volunteer session this weekend about signature-gathering to get her on the ballot. Hot drat.

Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Sep 7, 2014

# ? Sep 7, 2014 01:54

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

I don't know anything about Karen Lewis, does she bring anything to the table being a teacher then leader of the teachers union?

# ? Sep 7, 2014 02:38

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

mastershakeman posted:

I don't know anything about Karen Lewis, does she bring anything to the table being a teacher then leader of the teachers union?

She splits the black vote off from the white machine vote, and opens a divide in the social conservative/economic liberal hispanic demographic.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 02:40

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

mastershakeman posted:

I don't know anything about Karen Lewis, does she bring anything to the table being a teacher then leader of the teachers union?

She's awesome; the exact opposite of Rahm, and a bona-fide socialist. (She wouldn't peel off only minority voters, but rather all pro-labor and left-of-corporate-Dem voters as well; keep in mind how strong of a labor city Chicago is, and traditionally has been.)

Here were her words--written that day--when Rahm announced the school closings:

quote:

�We are standing here today in the beautiful Mahaila Jackson elementary school in our city�s Auburn-Gresham neighborhood. This school was named for one of the greatest gospel singers in our nation�s history, a woman who sang at Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.�s funeral, a woman who was instrumental in our Civil Rights struggle. Unfortunately, we are gathered here today not to talk about this pioneer or even about how this school does an outstanding job of providing a great learning community for some of our special needs students. We are standing here because this school, along with scores of others, has been targeted for closure by Mayor Rahm Emanuel�s Chicago Public Schools district.

�Closing 50 of our neighborhood schools is outrageous and no society that claims to care anything about its children can sit back and allow this to happen to them. There is no way people of conscience will stand by and allow these people to shut down nearly a third of our school district without putting up a fight. Most of these campuses are in the Black community. Since 2001 88% of students impacted by CPS School Actions are African-American. And this is by design.

�Closing 50 schools is not grand or glorious. This is nothing to celebrate or marvel.

�These actions unnecessarily expose our students to gang violence, turf wars and peer-to-peer conflict. Some of our students have been seriously injured as a result of school closings. One died. Putting thousands of small children in harm�s way is not laudatory.

�There is no safety plan. There is no transportation plan. The city has already raised CTA fares and now they expect parents to put their five-year-old on a crowded city bus in order for them to get to school, when they used to be able to walk to a school in their neighborhood. The way this is being done is an insult and it is disrespectful.

�The CTU is the bargaining unit for 30,000 of the district�s employees SEIU and Unite HERE represent thousands more. Yet CPS did not feel obligated to brief any of us in advance of today�s announcements. Instead, they called a few aldermen last night and then summoned principals this morning at 6:00 a.m. to spring the news on them. They had no consideration for their employees or our students�at all. They have no regard for our parents. They do not care about the children of their employees, many of whom also attend our public schools.

�I also find it extremely cowardly for the mayor�s administration to announce these actions while he is vacationing out of town. They are also making this announcement days before people are headed into spring break. CPS has spun our entire district into utter chaos, a management model perfected on Clark Street where they are headquartered.

�This city cannot destroy that many schools at one time; and, we contend that no school should be closed in the city of Chicago. These actions will not only put our students� safety and academics careers at risk but also further destabilize our neighborhoods.

�This is why we intend to rally, united and strong, on Wednesday, March 27 to send a signal that we are sick and tired of being bullied and betrayed. Some of us are going to put our bodies on the line�because a threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. And when we declare the victory, some of us will sit back and sing the lines of one of Mahaila Jackson�s songs�'How I Got Over.'

�Rahm Emanuel has become the �murder mayor.� He is murdering public services. Murdering our ability to maintain public sector jobs and now he has set his sights on our public schools. But we have news for him: We don�t intend to die. This is not Detroit. We are the city of big shoulders and so we intend to put up a fight. We don�t know if we can win, but if you don�t fight, you will never win at all.

�The people of this city can no longer sit back and allow this mayor, his school board and his corporate cronies to run roughshod over democracy. They�ve turned their backs on affordable housing; turned their backs on job creation; and, now they�re turning their backs on our students, their families and our schools. We are tired of playing their school reform games. But who are the winners and losers? Who made the rules? And what do they keep telling the losers to keep them playing their games?

�We do not have a utilization crisis. What we have is a credibility crisis. CPS continues to peddle half-truths, lies and misinformation in order to justify its campaign to wipe out our schools and carry out this corporate-driven school reform nonsense. CPS continues to peddle an �underutilization myth� and �billion dollar deficit lie� as justification for their actions. When research and the facts prove them wrong they simply reconfigure their talking points in order to further perpetrate their sham and to keep us playing their school reform games.

�For the past several weeks there has been a resounding cry against school actions from parents, students, educators and community stakeholders. The mayor and the CEO have ignored these petitions for justice at these hearings and apparently have not listened to single word that was said. Parents have been direct, loud and clear. Students have been loud and clear. Principals have been loud and clear. Teachers, paraprofessionals and school clinicians have been loud and clear: DO NOT CLOSE OUR SCHOOLS! GIVE US THE RESOURCES WE NEED, RIGHT NOW, TO SUPPORT OUR STUDENTS AND GIVE THEM THE EDUCATION THEY DESERVE.

�Enough with the lies and public deception: School closings will not save money and taxpayers will not see costs benefits in two years. Why? Because vibrant school communities will be quickly transformed into abandoned buildings, neighborhood eyesores and public safety hazards.

"This is the mayor's 25 percent solution. Yet, who will be held accountable when one of our students is harmed as a result of these policy decisions? And, who will be the ones to ensure justice is served?"

# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:19

A Fancy 400 lbs: Jul 24, 2008

Of course she's running when I'm not living in Chicago anymore. I'm still gonna pimp the gently caress out of her to my Chicago friends.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:02

The X-man cometh: Nov 1, 2009

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Of course she's running when I'm not living in Chicago anymore. I'm still gonna pimp the gently caress out of her to my Chicago friends.

You can still vote in Bridgeport

# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:22

Clouseau: Aug 3, 2003; My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters, and you don't like my tie.

It will be nice to see an actual loving race for mayor in the city for the first time since the eighties. The real nightmare would be if Rahm loses but all of the alderman he's supporting with his super PAC win. Council wars II.

This might be an inevitability following a win from her anyway. As the council stands now, who would vote with her and who would vote against her?

Clouseau fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Sep 7, 2014

# ? Sep 7, 2014 13:46

The X-man cometh: Nov 1, 2009

There are far more minority aldermen than there were in the 80s, and most of the progressive caucus would support her. That's Arena, Waguespack(sp?), Fioretti, a few others, and maybe Pawar. I've met Pawar in person, and he seems to be a progressive frustrated by the fact that Rahm lives in his ward.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 14:29

Benagain: Oct 10, 2007; Can you see that I am serious?; Fun Shoe

I would vote for her solely to gently caress Rahm over, I think she'll be hamstrung as a politician and be hosed over by the realities of the system but god it'd be so hilarious.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 20:02

Mr Hands Colon: May 7, 2009; requiescant in pace.

Plus after she loses, imagine how fun it will be to see all of the looting rioting and unrest it will cause.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 20:22

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Mr Hands Colon posted:

Plus after she loses, imagine how fun it will be to see all of the looting rioting and unrest it will cause.

Yes, because god knows most Chicagoans are unacustommed to rich white oligarchs winning mayoral races against minority candidates. :wtc:

# ? Sep 7, 2014 21:05

Mr Hands Colon: May 7, 2009; requiescant in pace.

Willa Rogers posted:

Yes, because god knows most Chicagoans are unacustommed to rich white oligarchs winning mayoral races against minority candidates.

No offense, but do you live here? Hope you don't use your iPhone on the L if you are near the doors. Were you around the protests that happened during the "school protests" at Daley Plaza? It was bullshit, news fodder and Nothing changed. Having a Jabba the Hut lispy woman attempting a run won't change poo poo, this city is far too corrupt. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see things change but let's be honest, it won't. It's going to take a hell of a lot to actually make real change here, the city clearly has a ton of problems which don't even belong in this IL thread.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 21:52

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Mr Hands Colon posted:

No offense, but do you live here? Hope you don't use your iPhone on the L if you are near the doors. Were you around the protests that happened during the "school protests" at Daley Plaza? It was bullshit, news fodder and Nothing changed. Having a Jabba the Hut lispy woman attempting a run won't change poo poo, this city is far too corrupt. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see things change but let's be honest, it won't. It's going to take a hell of a lot to actually make real change here, the city clearly has a ton of problems which don't even belong in this IL thread.

This, pretty much. All a Lewis run will accomplish is bringing back council wars, getting the city to default on some bond and pension obligations, and likely end up with her dead after a certain time.

E:
Look at Washington and how his term went, and you've got the outcome for a Lewis election.

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Sep 7, 2014

# ? Sep 7, 2014 21:57

Communist Zombie: Nov 1, 2011

My Imaginary GF posted:

Look at Washington and how his term went, and you've got the outcome for a Lewis election.

Considering the good Washington managed to do with the machine fighting him, before the stress killed him, I'm fine with that. Though Im not sure if Lewis can be as good as he was at getting policy done.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 22:10

A Fancy 400 lbs: Jul 24, 2008

Mr Hands Colon posted:

No offense, but do you live here? Hope you don't use your iPhone on the L if you are near the doors.

When I lived in the city I used my smartphone, and sometimes even my laptop, on the El all the time. Never had someone try to steal either one or saw someone try to take someone else's, and it's not like I stuck to the Loop or anything.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 22:14

Mr Hands Colon: May 7, 2009; requiescant in pace.

You don't live here anymore.

It's the "L".

Thanks for the continued derail on a thread about IL state politics, not Chicago politics. Enjoy your lovely suburb and I'm happy that you never witnessed or were victim of a crime in Chicago. Please keep derailing though, it's adorable.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 22:22

burnishedfume: Mar 8, 2011; You really are a louse...

Can confirm, used phone on the L, went pretty well.

It was an Android tho so I dunno, maybe Androids have better L compatibility than iPhones.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 22:25

Mr Hands Colon: May 7, 2009; requiescant in pace.

Androids are pretty much Obamaphones.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 22:28

A Fancy 400 lbs: Jul 24, 2008

I moved like two years ago and still visit. And I live out in a farm town, not the suburbs, but nice try at a smear? To be totally honest you sound like the kind of person out here who's scared to go to Aurora, Rockford or DeKalb, let alone Chicago, because they have "those people" there.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 22:50

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

I moved like two years ago and still visit. And I live out in a farm town, not the suburbs, but nice try at a smear? To be totally honest you sound like the kind of person out here who's scared to go to Aurora, Rockford or DeKalb, let alone Chicago, because they have "those people" there.

I'm not one afraid to walk anywhere in Chicago. I've canvassed from 51st to 151st, from Canal to Harlem, 5am-9pm. Frankly, there are places on the red that you don't take out an iPhone while standing close to the doors. Its just common sense.

# ? Sep 7, 2014 22:54

The X-man cometh: Nov 1, 2009

Mr Hands Colon posted:

You don't live here anymore.

It's the "L".

Thanks for the continued derail on a thread about IL state politics, not Chicago politics. Enjoy your lovely suburb and I'm happy that you never witnessed or were victim of a crime in Chicago. Please keep derailing though, it's adorable.

I live in loving Albany Park, where there were several shootings on the last month, and everyone uses their phone on the L. Where do you live, Gold Coast?

# ? Sep 8, 2014 01:30

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

My Imaginary GF posted:

I'm not one afraid to walk anywhere in Chicago. I've canvassed from 51st to 151st, from Canal to Harlem, 5am-9pm. Frankly, there are places on the red that you don't take out an iPhone while standing close to the doors. Its just common sense.

Also if you see a black man make sure to cross the street and clutch your purse tightly.

# ? Sep 8, 2014 02:16

Niwrad: Jul 1, 2008

I think Rahm would be in a lot of trouble if Lewis ran. She's been up in the polls and she won't be hamstrung for cash like others have been. I believe Preckwinkle was up big too in polls of a potential mayoral matchup race against Rahm. Some of the issues Rahm has faced are thanks to Daley, but I do think others are sick of his tired proclamations about crime being down when it's not. I don't know much about Lewis' platform but do know she is incredibly smart.

In the race for Governor, I'd be surprised if Quinn could pull it out. He's rather uninspiring when it comes to his base and his campaign has boiled down to "my opponent is rich and follows the tax code!". I don't think people really care for Rauner but just want someone who is different downstate. Plus it saves us going through the embarrassment of impeaching Quinn when the Feds eventually indict him.

# ? Sep 8, 2014 06:25

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ? Jun 8, 2024 13:07

Benagain: Oct 10, 2007; Can you see that I am serious?; Fun Shoe

I'm still wondering why Preckwinkle pulled out.

Also, a reminder that Tammy Duckworth is awesome just to give you a fleeting bright spot in the massive shitshow that is Illinois Politics.

# ? Sep 8, 2014 06:32

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Illinois Politics Thread: Quinn, Corn and Corruption

«‹›55 »