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Peven Stan posted:"26.4 percent of People of Color reported experiences of harassment on campus. The reports occurred at a rate higher than statistically predicted as due to chance." this quote in itself is can be misleading to people who don't know about survey data without this: quote:All undergraduate, graduate and professional students were notified and invited to participate via mass e-mail, MU Info and campus promotions. A self-selection of 3,522 or 12 percent of the student population responded.
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kayakyakr posted:Just curious why Washington University is no less evil... Almost wound up going there if it wasn't for out of state tuition (TTU, UT, Washington University in St. Louis, and Colorado School of Mines were really the only schools I did any research into. TTU won out pretty early in that process.) They are deeply embedded with the elite in St. Louis. You have buildings named after the Mallinckrodt and McKnight families etc as well as carrying water for Peabody Coal and Monsanto. While it's true that the school remained neutral during an adjunct unionizing campaign, it's been nearly a year and there still hasn't been a collectively bargained agreement yet. Washu is just a more sophisticated unionbuster and knows that surrendering the organizing campaign is just like ceding the beachhead to the allies during D-Day; the actual battle doesn't start until the bargaining unit tries to negotiate a contract. That's where you can run out the clock on the union, start firing activists and prominent bargaining unit members, and generally make life miserable until the unit falls apart organically or gets voted out in a decertification election. Washu is like the rich people in St. Louis in charge of the veiled prophet parade where rich people dress up and parade like literal Klansmen. They're nice enough to put on a public smile and say the right things regarding ferguson and the racism in the metro area but gently caress with them and you'll be on the receiving end of a world of hurt. The one adjunct who fought for a union for years is essentially blacklisted from every working in higher ed ever again and lives off gofundme.com donations collected by the local IWW branch. Dude's also blind and suffered a stroke recently and is a razor edge away from having his utilities shut off and getting evicted.
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Nov 9, 2015 04:25
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kayakyakr posted:Just curious why Washington University is no less evil... Almost wound up going there if it wasn't for out of state tuition (TTU, UT, Washington University in St. Louis, and Colorado School of Mines were really the only schools I did any research into. TTU won out pretty early in that process.) Probably because they're a private school. The racial incidents have been happening before Wolfe was president. When I attended Mizzou (07-11), there was the aforementioned cotton ball incident. I had a friend that had a lot of weird racist things happen to him and I was definitely called a friend of the family and other racial things while I was there.
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Nov 9, 2015 04:30
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Frackie Robinson posted:I'm going to hunger strike until Valve gives us some straight answers about Half Life 3 Well it was nice knowing you
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Nov 9, 2015 04:48
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Questions of "Is the President really at fault?" can be hard to answer. The current direction of the university is super hosed up. Who do you blame for that if not the person in charge? There are less tangible issues in play here too. Like campus housing. There used to be on campus housing for grad students. There isn't now. This is especially upsetting for international students. There used to be day care services for Graduate instructors. There isn't anymore. The thing you have to remember is that issues with housing, health insurance, and tuition all disproportionately harm students of color. So grad students were already upset, but black grad students in particular were upset. Keep that in mind. So before the student body president got called a friend of the family, we were already operating from a place of extreme frustration. Now, add on to that waiting six days to respond to that issue. Add on to that not even calling that a hate crime because hate crimes require acts of violence, as if calling someone a friend of the family is not a violent action. So my point is: Yes, race is a hugely important issue on our campus. The president has done nothing of substance to address these problems. For that reason I 100% think calling for his head is justified. But also, it's only a step, yes. We need more than that. As for the belief that the humanities are calling race due to other offenses, I don't think this is a dishonest fight. While those other offenses hurt everyone, they are rolled into issues of systematic racism.
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Nov 9, 2015 04:54
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14087454/missouri-tigers-player-says-team-not-united-practice-boycottquote:A Missouri Tigers player said Sunday night that the entire team is not united over the decision to stop practicing until grad student Jonathan Butler ends his hunger strike.
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Nov 9, 2015 04:59
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It just seems strange that the protesters are drawing such a line in the sand over a measure (removing the president) that will make so little difference toward the changes they actually want, whatever they are.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:03
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Frackie Robinson posted:It just seems strange that the protesters are drawing such a line in the sand over a measure (removing the president) that will make so little difference toward the changes they actually want, whatever they are. They have other explicit demands. It's just resignation is the sexy demand, ya? No one wants to read news stories that read Student Goes on Hunger Strike Til Mizzou Commits to Ensuring 10% of Its Faculty is Black by 2017. You need to sexy demand to create the poo poo storm so you can try to get the constructive demands dealt with in all the madness. At least I assume that's the logic.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:09
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NickRoweFillea posted:youre gonna loving die dude Gaben knows the pain of hunger.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:10
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Frackie Robinson posted:It just seems strange that the protesters are drawing such a line in the sand over a measure (removing the president) that will make so little difference toward the changes they actually want, whatever they are. Presumably, the person that they'd replace him with would be much more invested in improving diversity, and as the president has a lot of power to make the symbolic gestures that they want, it makes sense to replace him with someone more friendly to the cause.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:10
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alpha_destroy posted:Questions of "Is the President really at fault?" can be hard to answer. The current direction of the university is super hosed up. Who do you blame for that if not the person in charge? There are less tangible issues in play here too. Like campus housing. There used to be on campus housing for grad students. There isn't now. This is especially upsetting for international students. There used to be day care services for Graduate instructors. There isn't anymore. The thing you have to remember is that issues with housing, health insurance, and tuition all disproportionately harm students of color. So grad students were already upset, but black grad students in particular were upset. Keep that in mind. So before the student body president got called a friend of the family, we were already operating from a place of extreme frustration. Now, add on to that waiting six days to respond to that issue. Add on to that not even calling that a hate crime because hate crimes require acts of violence, as if calling someone a friend of the family is not a violent action. This is right--while the racial incidents may be the most visible/reported on aspects of the protests, there's a ton of other stuff (the Planned Parenthood flap, grad student issues, malaise amongst faculty) that are rolled into it. To paraphrase the great Canadian philosopher Jim Lahey, this whole situation started off as shitwinds and has turned into a shitnado. Also, as another alum ('07-'11, journalism to boot) all I can take away from this is how much Mizzou has changed in the years since I've been gone. Maybe it's because, the cotton ball incident aside (and believe you me, 99.9% of my social circle and people I talked to wanted to put the boots to the two kids--ROTC people if memory serves, since I lost in the "what campus group did this" pool me and a few similarly-humored friends set up in the aftermath--that pulled that poo poo) the amount of activism (at least that I was aware of) was more centered on the Columbia community as a whole rather than just campus (I remember sustained campaigns to get a grocery store in the North Ward, a majority-black part of town and a notorious food desert), maybe it's because I was in the J-school and thus couldn't get involved in much activism because my favorite teacher (who I might add was of color, and sadly isn't there anymore because he took one of those "you'd be a fool to pass this up" job opportunities closer to his home) told us that some people can and will use things against you as proof of "media bias", maybe it's just the change in leadership, or how time and activism and social media has changed campus life since 2011, or maybe it was just my own friends and attitudes sort of inoculating us. Anyway, solidarity, lads, and thank gently caress Mike Alden's gone, because he'd put the kibosh to this boycott due to the fact that it would cost actual money and theoretically hurt the athletic department's reputation with boosters and sponsors. Troy Queef fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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Nov 9, 2015 05:16
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I think Wolfe's goose is cooked. Not because football. Not because justice. Because calls from the statehouse asking for his resignation have officially become  biiiiiii-partisaaaaaan.Also   This is the worst flyer since Ferguson when a speaker came to my old school, S&T, to tell people interested in law enforcement how to protect yourself from lawsuits.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:31
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Never thought i'd see someone from poplar bluff be the voice of reason(money). Hope he wears pants long enough to cover the white gym socks he wears with dress shoes.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:34
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I just want someone to hurry up and back down before this poo poo escalates, preferably timewolf and bowtie 
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Nov 9, 2015 05:41
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Troy Queef posted:This is right--while the racial incidents may be the most visible/reported on aspects of the protests, there's a ton of other stuff (the Planned Parenthood flap, grad student issues, malaise amongst faculty) that are rolled into it. To paraphrase the great Canadian philosopher Jim Lahey, this whole situation started off as shitwinds and has turned into a shitnado. For some reason after we left (I graduated in '12) the amount of people interested in social justice skyrocketed. The current MSA body president ran on a campaign bashing the university for being racist and compared himself many times student radicals in the 60s and 70s. I can't remember Xavier Billingsley or Tim Noce (MSA presidents then) making statements critical of the university or running on anything but vague platitudes about how everyone needs to get along.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:52
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Peven Stan posted:For some reason after we left (I graduated in '12) the amount of people interested in social justice skyrocketed. The current MSA body president ran on a campaign bashing the university for being racist and compared himself many times student radicals in the 60s and 70s. I can't remember Xavier Billingsley or Tim Noce (MSA presidents then) making statements critical of the university or running on anything but vague platitudes about how everyone needs to get along. All I remember about MSA elections was that nine times out of ten they seemed (to my eyes) to be fraternity/sorority pissing contests: I think I voted in a grand total of two of them, and that was because friends of mine were running for positions and I couldn't not give them my support.
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Nov 9, 2015 06:09
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alpha_destroy posted:I think Wolfe's goose is cooked. Not because football. Not because justice. Because calls from the statehouse asking for his resignation have officially become Hey, someone from Poplar Bluff is being reasonable. Neat! I isolated myself from all the Ferguson stuff at S&T because I figured it'd be a bunch of crap like that. Also I'm really not interested in listening to John Deere hat mechanical engineering hayseed #4583 's opinions on St. Louis.
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Nov 9, 2015 06:20
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Feranon posted:Yeah and I think the football team's boycott would be more effective on a year they weren't a loving joke. It's still a lot of tv money they're losing, plus the million dollar fee they have to pay BYU (and future opponents?). Money is what will decide this in a hurry.
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Nov 9, 2015 06:34
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Troy Queef posted:This is right--while the racial incidents may be the most visible/reported on aspects of the protests, there's a ton of other stuff (the Planned Parenthood flap, grad student issues, malaise amongst faculty) that are rolled into it. To paraphrase the great Canadian philosopher Jim Lahey, this whole situation started off as shitwinds and has turned into a shitnado. what is the "cotton ball incident" and why was it hosed up? i...kinda expect that it's something horrible but it seems like it's a bit of a turning point. also, what exactly is the plan to reduce all the racism on campus? just decrying "NO MORE SAYING BAD WORDS" won't exactly fix the underlying issues. are there going to be mandatory minority culture courses? my (private) college made everyone take 2, and they were both pretty awesome. learned a lot about art and stuff that i wouldn't have been exposed to.
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Nov 9, 2015 07:09
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effectual posted:It's still a lot of tv money they're losing, plus the million dollar fee they have to pay BYU (and future opponents?). Money is what will decide this in a hurry.
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Nov 9, 2015 07:15
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axeil posted:what is the "cotton ball incident" and why was it hosed up? Cotton ball incident is some fuckstick spreading cotton balls around, because black folks sure
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Nov 9, 2015 07:24
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Shakenbaker posted:Cotton ball incident is some fuckstick spreading cotton balls around, because black folks sure what a loving moron.
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Nov 9, 2015 07:25
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Shakenbaker posted:Cotton ball incident is some fuckstick spreading cotton balls around, because black folks sure Not just that: it was on the courtyard/front lawn of the campus Black Culture Center. (Also: if memory serves they found the two people that did it, expelled them with prejudice, and they were prosecuted in the Boone County court on charges that did include the hate/bias-crime enhancement.)
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Nov 9, 2015 07:35
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axeil posted:what a loving moron. That happened one year at South Carolina too. A white frat did it to a black frat who had just got a frat house in the fancish area where they had a bunch.
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Nov 9, 2015 08:02
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One of the dudes behind the cotton ball incident was an RA in my dorm my freshman year. He had a tattoo of some Gaelic word on his arm, which he assured us wasn't "the language of the gays." I know people are concerned about campus culture being too sensitive these days, and it seems like poo poo has escalated even in the few years since I graduated, but there was always a pretty strong undercurrent of racial issues at Mizzou and a desire among many minority students to see it addressed in earnest. The fact that Wolfe responded today with a statement saying "I was actually already doing all the things you wanted before you even brought it up - just wait a few more months for proof!" is a pretty bad sign regarding his perception of the situation. I understand the instinct to say "he's not responsible for idiot teenagers being racist in mid-Missouri" and not give in to the demands of protestors just because they're demanding something. It also doesn't seem like there's all that much he's done to justify keeping him around in light of the shitstorm that's happened on his watch.
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Nov 9, 2015 08:53
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mizzou is probably pretty racist but that list of demands is a hilarious clusterfuck of terrible ideas that not even ridiculously liberal college campuses would put in place. it's like they started with some good ideas on diversity and then jammed the "extremist" slider to 11
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Nov 9, 2015 09:29
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It's quite a thing when the football coach refuses to practice/play until the university president steps down. All together with the faculty vote, the student protests, and now this I can't imagine him surviving which sounds like a good thing. I'm hoping that if Missouri continues not to play that other teams will sit out as well in solidarity. Arkansas is playing them in a few weeks and I'm thinking this will be resolved by then but I will be completely fine if they also refuse to play.
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Nov 9, 2015 12:28
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13 year old girls posted:mizzou is probably pretty racist but that list of demands is a hilarious clusterfuck of terrible ideas that not even ridiculously liberal college campuses would put in place. it's like they started with some good ideas on diversity and then jammed the "extremist" slider to 11 I dunno seems like a pretty effective negotiation?
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Nov 9, 2015 12:49
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Maty Mauk is tearing this university apart
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Nov 9, 2015 13:14
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"League of Black Collegians" sounds like the worst superheroes ever.
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Nov 9, 2015 13:15
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13 year old girls posted:mizzou is probably pretty racist but that list of demands is a hilarious clusterfuck of terrible ideas that not even ridiculously liberal college campuses would put in place. it's like they started with some good ideas on diversity and then jammed the "extremist" slider to 11 A football helmet filled with cottage cheese
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Nov 9, 2015 13:50
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Demon Of The Fall posted:A football helmet filled with cottage cheese 67 copies of Moby Dick
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Nov 9, 2015 14:03
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axeil posted:also, what exactly is the plan to reduce all the racism on campus? just decrying "NO MORE SAYING BAD WORDS" won't exactly fix the underlying issues. are there going to be mandatory minority culture courses? my (private) college made everyone take 2, and they were both pretty awesome. learned a lot about art and stuff that i wouldn't have been exposed to. That is in fact one of if the demands. They want, among other things, a diversity class requirement. This sounds to me like a good idea. You're never gonna get rid of racists. It isn't gonna happen. But I think if you prioritize diversity, admit acts of hate are acts of hate, and increase the percentage of black faculty that will go a long way because then even if some idiot white kid says the n-word at least you know your institution has your back. Right now it feels like the administration view the presence of students of color more of a headache than anything else.
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Nov 9, 2015 14:41
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I think it says something that the rest of the team is all in. at least publicly
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Nov 9, 2015 15:12
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^^they're not. You're especially not going to get rid of racists in Mid-Missouri. I lived in Jefferson City for 6 years, and spent plenty of time in Columbia and heard plenty of outright racism and hate. It doesn't help that the university that's supposed to be the shining beacon of intelligence and forward-thinking is doing oh... nothing to stop racist incidents that spread. I mean, I hate Pinkel and his penchant for knocking up the weather girl then having her disappeared to reappear on TV in KC a year later, but at least he's acting correctly here. I think it's kind of funny that the football coach has more power than the university leadership also.
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Nov 9, 2015 15:13
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The hunger striking student has signed a DNR. This combined with the coach and a sizable portion of the team being on board makes me think negotiations are gonna be resolved in the students' favor, whatever that ends up entailing, and swiftly.
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Nov 9, 2015 15:41
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At what point will his body start to shut down on just water? 14-20 days?
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Nov 9, 2015 15:48
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Here's what I don't understand (and admittedly, I'm probably just a simpleton): Why wouldn't Wolfe, upon hearing that one of his students is going on a hunger strike, make immediate(!!!) plans to locate that student & attempt to at least talk to him about his issues/demands? I mean, what in the ever-living gently caress does he think just addressing it through a goddamn memo is gonna' do? Does he not think that just maybe he & this student can find some kind of common ground, if only temporarily, to cease the hunger strike? It just makes no sense to me at all how Wolfe has acted since this whole thing began.
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Nov 9, 2015 15:53
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I believe he had no experience in education, repeatedly lied on his resume, was brought in to run the school as a business, and is generally just a lovely person. I don't know.
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greatn posted:At what point will his body start to shut down on just water? 14-20 days? I think with proper hydration, it's 40 days.
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