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LGD posted:I am constantly baffled by how little people who are interested in politics actually know about the history of 1A jurisprudence Schenck is still considered the law of the land, and wasn't meaningfully overturned by Brandenburg. You can, for instance, still be prosecuted for providing material support to organizations deemed "terrorist" by the US government. Declaring any white nationalist or Nazi organization to be a terrorist group would effectively make them illegal.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:How can you rewrite it while remaining compliant with Citizens United? Would repealing the BRCA then replacing it with something else basically make the Citizens United ruling moot?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Temporal/Locational restrictions on speech are fine imo. For example you if you want to show up to a movie theater with a soap box and start ranting about the jews that control hollywood, you can be kicked out without having your rights infringed. However if the theater allowed people to do that, but then banned you when you started talking about Single-Payer Healthcare, that would certainly be a restriction on free speech. Banning the Hollywood is Jew Hollywood guy on sidewalk outside of theaters would be different ball game
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Typo posted:Movie theater are private property though and can ban whatever the gently caress speech they want. Currently yes, but I'm speaking "ideally." Though even with movie theater's they should probably be allowed to restrict speech within their establishment. However for something like a public park, or university, that would be different.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Would repealing the BRCA then replacing it with something else basically make the Citizens United ruling moot? Don't know.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Schenck is still considered the law of the land, and wasn't meaningfully overturned by Brandenburg. You can, for instance, still be prosecuted for providing material support to organizations deemed "terrorist" by the US government. Declaring any white nationalist or Nazi organization to be a terrorist group would effectively make them illegal. This is just stunning news to me, a huge fan of the PATRIOT Act loving lol if I'm going to waste my time talking to someone who thinks Brandenburg didn't meaningfully curtail Schenck
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Don't know. Well that is the route I would take. To install Full Communism Now*, I'd just elect Bernie President for life, and also force the Rothchilds to give their immortality serum to him. *eventually
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Elephanthead posted:We should end the farce and only let billionaires vote. There is something about genuineness and honesty that I could appreciate about such an arrangement. It would harken back to the days of feudal lords bickering with each other, but this time the peasants are armed...
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LGD posted:This is just stunning news to me, a huge fan of the PATRIOT Act so put me on ignore, binch Schenk is law. the provisions of PATRIOT are upheld by the Supreme Court. you can disagree with it all you like but it's the reality. the United States doesn't adhere to your absolutist position. not even close.
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Thanks Obama
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Schenck is still considered the law of the land, and wasn't meaningfully overturned by Brandenburg. You can, for instance, still be prosecuted for providing material support to organizations deemed "terrorist" by the US government. Declaring any white nationalist or Nazi organization to be a terrorist group would effectively make them illegal. the material support clause applies to foreign terrorist organizations, so most white supremacist groups couldn't be eliminated this way.
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american free speech is dumb as hell
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Jose posted:american free speech is dumb as hell
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Concerned Citizen posted:the material support clause applies to foreign terrorist organizations, so most white supremacist groups couldn't be eliminated this way. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339A https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339B 2339A applies to domestic terrorists, and 2339B applies to foreign designated terrorist groups, with the latter having a slightly harsher maximum penalty. It is possible for a domestic terror group to be prosecuted under the clause, but there would have to be A Terror first, and you'd have to demonstrate that the group provided material support for A Terror and that it wasn't just a lone wolf. The Army of God for instance has evaded prosecution because, despite openly endorsing abortion clinic bombings and murders, their members don't inform anybody of their plans to commit terror ahead of time. The standards for prosecution are much higher than in the case of foreign designated groups, but it's not exactly impossible.
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if america is so capitalist why they give away speech for free
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Humidora posted:if america is so capitalist why they give away speech for free I know you're joking but that's why capitalized speech isn't free. the speech of trade secrets, unlicensed information, etc. is tightly controlled by law.
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Does 4chan fight for tumblrs right to free speech?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:free speech is a bourgeois concept
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Uncle Wemus posted:Does 4chan fight for tumblrs right to free speech? They don't want to shut tumblr down, they just want to laugh at everyone there, so I guess?
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Uncle Wemus posted:Does 4chan fight for tumblrs right to free speech? if you ever find any of them actually doing this instead of cynically reciting that "I don't agree with you but I'll fight for your right to say it" mantra (or far worse, usually), I'd be amazed
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is there a term for the philosophy where people think social progress is a linear progression, not potentially subject to huge or total reversion idk if this is the thread to ask this in
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Panzeh posted:free speech is one of those things people talk about all the time like it's really easy and cut and dry so they just slurp up the ACLU's propaganda and miss the forest for a couple trees a couple of nazi trees is freedom free? is giving it away to everyone, no limits, the only way freedom stays pute
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Relin posted:is there a term for the philosophy where people think social progress is a linear progression, not potentially subject to huge or total reversion The Dark Enlightenment thinks that, and also wants to bring about the reversion.
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Relin posted:is there a term for the philosophy where people think social progress is a linear progression, not potentially subject to huge or total reversion Maybe some versions of Marxism if you're being vulgar about it (ie you're too fatalistic about historical materialism).
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I really don't get the public debate about like, if protest permits are legal. If I'm going to a protest, I'm prepared to be arrested. Being arrested because you hold a sign in the wrong place or whatever is just as much a protest as holding the sign in the first place. But I'm also the type of guy who think laws only exist when the cops are hanging around town so
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Jose posted:american free speech is dumb as hell
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Who gives a gently caress about free speech give me that premium speech or give me nothing.
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I don't give a gently caress about your constitution, I'll say any thing I want and violently suppress the right of others to do so if they're Nazis or w/e
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Crane Fist posted:I don't give a gently caress about your constitution, I'll say any thing I want and violently suppress the right of others to do so if they're Nazis or w/e That's the problem.
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Ruzihm posted:I know you're joking but that's why capitalized speech isn't free. the speech of trade secrets, unlicensed information, etc. is tightly controlled by law. commercial speech also has lower level of protection than political speech in general see laws against false advertising whereas you can't ban fake news
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Relin posted:is there a term for the philosophy where people think social progress is a linear progression, not potentially subject to huge or total reversion Hegelian dialectic
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:That's the problem. I will also suppress the speech and faces of alt-righters, white supremacists, regular non-explicitly-nazi fascists and anyone else I feel like because I have the courage of my moral convictions and am not stupid enough to worry about accidentally damaging 'the discourse' Time to wash my bandanas, sew some razor blades into my cap brim and stop people from spreading their ideas for the sake of a better society
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Relin posted:is there a term for the philosophy where people think social progress is a linear progression, not potentially subject to huge or total reversion Liberalism
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Relin posted:is there a term for the philosophy where people think social progress is a linear progression, not potentially subject to huge or total reversion Fetal alcohol syndrome
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Fetal alcohol syndrome someone already said Liberalism
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Crane Fist posted:Liberalism
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Crane Fist posted:I have the courage of my moral convictions and am not stupid enough to worry about accidentally damaging 'the discourse' Thats called having low IQ
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