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Samfucius posted:You're trying to be snarky but you are 100% right. The only thing that matters is spectacle, to every single person. Trump isn't going anywhere until 2020, that's true, but that doesn't mean that the spectacle of him being pummeled by Comey doesn't matter. It has a big impact on public perception of Trump and the Republican Party. Comey is loved by a wide variety of law and order moderates, and his condemnation of Trump matters to them. Kaal fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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The Glumslinger posted:Here is an even sadder press statement, from John McCain Good on him for saying "I messed up".
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Jun 8, 2017 19:46
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Samfucius posted:You're trying to be snarky but you are 100% right. The only thing that matters is spectacle, to every single person. Sorry this wasn't as big as the OJ Simpson trial?
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Jun 8, 2017 19:52
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Jun 8, 2017 19:55
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Star Man posted:Sorry this wasn't as big as the OJ Simpson trial? I think you're responding to something I never said. A lot of people here seem super stoked and I presumed it was because they think this will matter. That's the whole point, it doesn't, and spectacle is the reason why.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:00
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Shockingly enough, elected officials probably won't go away until elections happen in the future, so let's just kill ourselves. Everything that hurts Trump and Republicans is cool and good. This makes Trump look terrible and the people sticking up for him look stupid as loving poo poo.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:01
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Nothing matters, which is why Trump has a 30s approval rating and is broadly hated. It's because he's invincible, you see.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:02
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I will admit I made a pretty big assumption that a lot of people here, judging by their tone and words, thought this would bring about or hasten some sort of consequence like impeachment or charges. If that's not the case then nevermind. I am still 100% upset with the Clinton thread from November and the same stuff is showing up here, and I reacted accordingly.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:04
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Oh, no, we're all just expecting this will continue to further people thinking he's dirty as gently caress and hating the guy.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:05
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Also this only makes him look bad to people who watched it, which will be a tiny number, because nothing interesting enough happened to make pithy articles about. Like, of course we are laughing at Trump. That's a terrible barometer.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:07
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Samfucius posted:Also this only makes him look bad to people who watched it, which will be a tiny number, because nothing interesting enough happened to make pithy articles about. His approval is in free fall... because nobody is reading the negative news stories about Trump? Uh OK. e: Trump backed in to office while losing the popular vote when his approval was WAY HIGHER than it is now. He's doing a speedrun towards late-term Nixon approval ratings now.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:08
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sean10mm posted:let's just kill ourselves. this would go a long way toward fixing climate change and creating awareness about social justice
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Jun 8, 2017 20:09
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I don't want Trump to be removed, I want him to slowly take the entire GOP down with him over the next four years and be voted out. Being removed feeds his martyred ego and raises the prospect of stability in Republican government. I don't want him to suddenly go kicking and screaming, I want him to have to personally hand the reigns to someone who was dunking on him for an entire election cycle. Removing him means that the Republicans can run someone else in 3 years.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:10
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Samfucius posted:Also this only makes him look bad to people who watched it, which will be a tiny number, because nothing interesting enough happened to make pithy articles about. It is the headline on every news site.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:11
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poo poo, it's reached the point where Fox News is bleeding ratings uncontrollably because everybody wants to watch the news outlets that cover all of Trump's gently caress-ups. Dead print outlets are coming back to life because people want to read about Trump fuckups in detail. e: http://fortune.com/2017/05/23/fox-news-ratings-down/ Negative stories about Trump are clearly influencing the public, and the public's appetite for reading about Bad Trump Things is measurably growing.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:12
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Samfucius posted:Also this only makes him look bad to people who watched it, which will be a tiny number, because nothing interesting enough happened to make pithy articles about. Like, of course we are laughing at Trump. That's a terrible barometer. No it will solidify the perception that Trump is a liar who attempted to corrupt the FBI. Individual elements of the testimony don't matter, but the hearing as a whole will likely act as a landmark in the public opinion of Trump.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:12
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Like everyone in the country watched it.
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Xombie posted:It is the headline on every news site. Just because people report on it doesn't mean that people will care. sean10mm posted:poo poo, it's reached the point where Fox News is bleeding ratings uncontrollably because everybody wants to watch the news outlets that cover all of Trump's gently caress-ups. Dead print outlets are coming back to life because people want to read about Trump fuckups in detail. I sure hope so, but I really feel this wasn't bombastic/weird enough after peeing hookers and pussy grabbing and orb praying, and even the stuff that isn't sordid, but easily digested as a sound bite, like the number of weekends spent playing golf.
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No, but they will probably hear about it. And I think the big thing they'll hear is "I took those memos because I thought the President would lie about the meeting."
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The Glumslinger posted:I remember when you still had to use Boolean searches on google well it's Ask Jeeves not "give Jeeves a statement on what you want to search for" 
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Samfucius posted:Just because people report on it doesn't mean that people will care. I'm sorry, is your argument actually that people don't care about news about Trump? That here in June, all media outlets are stopping the presses to report about Trump despite that no one is actually paying attention to the Donald Trump presidency? That is a thing you're saying with a straight face? What your objective metric that you're using as evidence for this phenomenon? Like, I knew that the "nothing matters" clan were dumb but, wow.
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Samfucius posted:Just because people report on it doesn't mean that people will care. This isn't just, like, my opinion, man. Trump's approval ratings have been falling pretty much continuously since he took office and are at an all-time low... right now. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
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Volkerball posted:Like everyone in the country watched it. Why, I bet even the Predisent watched it.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:22
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Xombie posted:I'm sorry, is your argument actually that people don't care about news about Trump? That here in June, all media outlets are stopping the presses to report about Trump despite that no one is actually paying attention to the Donald Trump presidency? That is a thing you're saying with a straight face? What your objective metric that you're using as evidence for this phenomenon? This news, specifically. Maybe people will surprise me, I sure hope so, but betting against effective change has had me batting 1.000 so far. I think people are watching this because it is a reality show.
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Samfucius posted:This news, specifically. Maybe people will surprise me, I sure hope so, but betting against effective change has had me batting 1.000 so far. If only we had ways of measuring public approval of the president, then we might see a correlation between the avalanche of negative stories about Trump since he took office and public opinion of him...
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sean10mm posted:This isn't just, like, my opinion, man. Trump's approval ratings have been falling pretty much continuously since he took office and are at an all-time low... right now. I know that and it's a glimmer of hope for the next election, which as I mentioned earlier I think Trump will lose. I don't think people like Trump. I don't think people aren't paying attention to Trump in general, I think this event matters very little, which is really too bad after how big it was hyped to be.
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Samfucius posted:This news, specifically. Maybe people will surprise me, I sure hope so, but betting against effective change has had me batting 1.000 so far. You could say the same about watergate.
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Where in the hell are you guys getting the idea that I think people like Trump? Where did I say that? Who cares about approval ratings when one party controls the whole government? It literally doesn't matter until the next election. If we're on the same page there, we have no argument. As I said before, I made a mistake and assumed people thought it was going to make any sort of short-term change.
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Samfucius posted:I think people are watching this because it is a reality show. Just lol at people who don't realize there has never been anything like this before in American politics and instead act like it's a nothingburger. Regardless of how this ends up, this is going to discussed for decades at the least. Some crackpot on NPR yesterday said it will be discussed for the "next 200 years", which obviously isn't going to happen since America wont be around that long at this rate.
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sean10mm posted:This isn't just, like, my opinion, man. Trump's approval ratings have been falling pretty much continuously since he took office and are at an all-time low... right now. There are still ~40% of the American electorate that actually approve of Trump's job performance - unless there is a smocking gun the guy won't get impeached.
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"Who cares about approval ratings" says person who thinks very highly of his own opinion on politics. "People will ignore this news, specifically, on every single news website on the internet" he states, about the biggest news in weeks on a subject everyone is paying attention to.quote:but betting against effective change has had me batting 1.000 so far. Effective change being... what? It's June. You guys need to tape your brains back together. Xombie fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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mitztronic posted:Just lol at people who don't realize there has never been anything like this before in American politics and instead act like it's a nothingburger. Of course I realize that. Who is this person you've concocted in your head that I am? Why am I arguing to distance myself from a person you made up? This whole timeline is inconceivably insane. GaussianCopula posted:There are still ~40% of the American electorate that actually approve of Trump's job performance - unless there is a smocking gun the guy won't get impeached. This is all I was ever saying. Exactly this. I know his approval ratings. I know that newspapers are making a weird comeback. I know this time in history will be the subject of endless study. But what does that mean for those of us in living in this moment? Not a lot.
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Samfucius posted:Where in the hell are you guys getting the idea that I think people like Trump? Where did I say that? Who cares about approval ratings when one party controls the whole government? It literally doesn't matter until the next election. If we're on the same page there, we have no argument. As I said before, I made a mistake and assumed people thought it was going to make any sort of short-term change. The investigation and this hearing wouldn't even be happening if Republicans were just responding to this by raving about glorious leader. This is a dire situation for them. You're being blindly cynical.
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GaussianCopula posted:There are still ~40% of the American electorate that actually approve of Trump's job performance - unless there is a smocking gun the guy won't get impeached. You've made two statements that aren't related to each other. 1) Congress won't vote to impeach no matter what until there is a Democratic majority, or Trump's approval falls so far that they are more likely to lose their own seats if they keep sticking by him. 2) The odds of a smoking gun are basically 0.999999999999999999999999999999999999 at this point. Comey made it clear that Trump is 100% dirty and 100% a giant moron. 3) If Trump's approval stays at these levels, or keeps dropping, the GOP is totally hosed in 2018 and 2020.
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Guys, just give up. Clearly no one is paying attention to this. No one even watched it. https://twitter.com/nickcicero/status/872859185280634880
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Volkerball posted:The investigation and this hearing wouldn't even be happening if Republicans were just responding to this by raving about glorious leader. This is a dire situation for them. You're being blindly cynical. Very, very, very fair. Also blindingly angry. I hope I look back at this like I look at my edgy teenage years. I've been heavily involved in politics since I was 14. I've written legislation and introduced it to members of my state legislature. I've marched, phone-banked, donated, you name it. Like, I've been as involved as I possibly can be for over a decade of my life. And I am at a point where my family has very honestly considered moving to Germany. We have family there. I think America is done.
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Xombie posted:Guys, just give up. Clearly no one is paying attention to this. No one even watched it. There was about another half million or so split up on youtube. Plus TV. Millions of people watched the former FBI Directory call the President of liar. And none of the Senators challenged the statement.
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Volkerball posted:The investigation and this hearing wouldn't even be happening if Republicans were just responding to this by raving about glorious leader. This is a dire situation for them. You're being blindly cynical. In his/her defence, there were a dozen things during the election that should have facefucked his chances of winning to death and didn't. Cynicism at this point is understandable.
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Samfucius posted:Very, very, very fair. Also blindingly angry. I hope I look back at this like I look at my edgy teenage years. Try being less of a drama whore and see how that works for you, maybe? Nobody is saying this will instantly give us a socialist utopia, so you repeatedly saying it won't do that doesn't mean a loving thing. It's just you declaring victory over a straw man that never existed here, even as a joke. The more Trump is poo poo on, the worse it is for Republicans in 2018 and 2020. That's all this is, and why we're happy about it. Comey buried Trump to a degree that exceeded everyone's expectations after reading his prepared statement. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Samfucius posted:Very, very, very fair. Also blindingly angry. I hope I look back at this like I look at my edgy teenage years. All this means is that you should know better. It doesn't make your brokebrain arguments more justified, it just makes them more idiotic.
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