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thetoughestbean posted:Speaking of Eisners, the nominees were just announced. Eisners not nominating Tom King for something challenge: impossible
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The Eisners are pretty much a joke. Like the fact that Moon Knight or Fantastic Four aren't up for anything nor are their writers shows that.
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Codependent Poster posted:The Eisners are pretty much a joke. Like the fact that Moon Knight or Fantastic Four aren't up for anything nor are their writers shows that. Yeah North’s FF is a weird omission. I tend to be annoyed the International-Asia award because they almost always go for the most respectable option rather than what I think is the best, but this year doesn’t have a Junji Ito or Miyazaki release nominated so I can’t complain.
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May 17, 2024 21:47
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Codependent Poster posted:The Eisners are pretty much a joke. Like the fact that Moon Knight or Fantastic Four aren't up for anything nor are their writers shows that. Marvel only got three nominations and they were for Its Jeff! Marvel Comics #1,000 and some Doctor Strange treasury edition reprint. DC got nominated for Wonder Woman, Nightwing, Shazam, Birds of Prey and a couple different Superman books.
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May 17, 2024 23:59
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Open Marriage Night posted:Marvel only got three nominations and they were for Its Jeff! Marvel Comics #1,000 and some Doctor Strange treasury edition reprint. And Poison Ivy! 
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May 18, 2024 00:57
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Open Marriage Night posted:Marvel only got three nominations and they were for Its Jeff! Marvel Comics #1,000 and some Doctor Strange treasury edition reprint. Like I think all those books (besides Wonder Woman) are good and I like them a lot but Fantastic Four is easily better than all of them. You could maybe convince me that Nightwing might be better, but no way on the other ones.
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May 18, 2024 01:01
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Shazam and Birds of Prey are way better than Nightwing
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May 18, 2024 01:55
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I’m only reading Poison Ivy but I’m pretty sure it’s better than Fantastic Four.
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May 18, 2024 02:25
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BrianWilly posted:
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Gripweed posted:I’m only reading Poison Ivy but I’m pretty sure it’s better than Fantastic Four. Going strictly by first volumes, it's a close race, but FF volume two loses a little steam. Looking forward to Poison Ivy's follow-up based on your sentiment. Enjoying both series but I can see where Ivy could overtake it.
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May 18, 2024 06:18
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I love the running joke of Ivy loving other woman while being like, “I’m pretty sure Harley will be cool about this”
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May 18, 2024 13:56
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On the flip side, over in Batman: The Adventures Continue, Harley helps Batman track down one of her exes, who turns out to also be Bruce's AND Harvey's ex. Ivy catches wind of the escapade after the fact, and Harley changes the subject.
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May 18, 2024 14:31
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Also pretty sure "you used to gently caress The Joker" can settle a lot arguments the two have.
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May 18, 2024 14:52
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Gripweed posted:I love the running joke of Ivy loving other woman while being like, “I’m pretty sure Harley will be cool about this” It's fine. Janet from HR is slowly turning into the third of their throuple
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May 18, 2024 21:24
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I'm reading the New Batman and Robin book and there are a few allusions to the Robin solo where Damien is in an Enter the Dragon style tournament, was that any good? I can follow the book fine for now, but if it's fun I might check it out.
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May 18, 2024 23:50
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Air Skwirl posted:I'm reading the New Batman and Robin book and there are a few allusions to the Robin solo where Damien is in an Enter the Dragon style tournament, was that any good? I can follow the book fine for now, but if it's fun I might check it out. Yeah, it had a neat shonen battle tournament vibe to it. Where Flatline gets introduced, some nice stuff with Ravager.
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May 19, 2024 02:07
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Yeah I thought it was a cute book despite the whole thing taking place on an island where a bunch of kids are fighting to the death.
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Jiro posted:Count me as one of the people that loving LOATHED it, I bitched and bitched about it on here back in the day. Spectre gets mind controlled by a Jean Lorning possessed, don't ask, Eclipso which leads into the only good thing about Infinite Crisis: Day of Vengeance. This post made me go back and re-read Day of Vengeance since I remembered so little about it and wow I'm glad you brought it up again. That was really good. Was the Shadowpact ongoing any good? Might pick it up after I'm done with GJ's Lanterns. I've never read Infinite Crisis since I was spoiled about all the big stuff that happens. Why didn't people like it?
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:This post made me go back and re-read Day of Vengeance since I remembered so little about it and wow I'm glad you brought it up again. That was really good. Was the Shadowpact ongoing any good? Might pick it up after I'm done with GJ's Lanterns. Probably the thing you had spoiled.
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:This post made me go back and re-read Day of Vengeance since I remembered so little about it and wow I'm glad you brought it up again. That was really good. Was the Shadowpact ongoing any good? Might pick it up after I'm done with GJ's Lanterns. Unfortunately Shadowpact had promise but didn't necessarily live up to it's scrappy group dynamics, the art changed up a lot too.
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:This post made me go back and re-read Day of Vengeance since I remembered so little about it and wow I'm glad you brought it up again. That was really good. Was the Shadowpact ongoing any good? Might pick it up after I'm done with GJ's Lanterns. Memory at the time was people really liked it. The problem was a bit of follow up. With everything being kicked forward one year in continuity and then seemingly not actually playing with the fact they recreated the multiverse. Earth two came back and... power girl and the Society didn't actually go there, they just stuck around on Earth 1. It was also Geoff Johns at his peak, a giant story with 1000 moving parts that all seemed to mesh together well, and the event itself moved along quite well. His favorite characters got a lot to do and it was a vehicle for him to bring Barry back. The biggest criticism I remember seeing about it was the idea that Superboy Prime punching a wall just kept changing reality. That and the sheer ultraviolence on display were the two biggest downsides, although the violence wasn't seen as a bad thing back then All in all, Infinite Crisis is very "Of it's time". Batman is a paranoid whacko because of Identity Crisis and Tower of Babel stories, Wonder Woman is a killer (and the Amazons have a Purple Death Ray, which got edited out of the Trade), and Superman's just kinda there. It probably helped that it was against Civil War in terms of "yearly events", so there was a lot better feelings towards the story.
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May 19, 2024 20:32
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Infinite Crisis was mean spirited and full of the edgy grimdark stuff that people were starting to get tired of. Especially coming so soon after Identity Crisis.
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It was kinda weird that DC talked about how dark and gloomy things had become in comics. That it was time for heroes to shine and there to be light instead of all these dark depressing things. And then proceeded to produce some of the most goriest and brutal stuff they ever done. Felt like a disconnect happening.
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Final Crisis was very much a critique of all that stuff and I believe it was Morrison trying to move DC past all of it. Then Blackest Night came out like right afterwards and it showed the message did not take.
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The Last Call posted:It was kinda weird that DC talked about how dark and gloomy things had become in comics. That it was time for heroes to shine and there to be light instead of all these dark depressing things. Superboy Prime murdering and maiming half the Teen Titans, was so unintentionally hilarious. Especially when he complained and whined about it. Where's Edited Crisis #4 when you really need it? The disconnect and absolute lunacy was having Johns make a sequel to Watchmen, and people at DC thinking that it was a good idea.
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Jiro posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAfUWSEUu_A
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The Last Call posted:It was kinda weird that DC talked about how dark and gloomy things had become in comics. That it was time for heroes to shine and there to be light instead of all these dark depressing things.
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May 20, 2024 09:23
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It's always been odd Johns will talk for ages about how hopped up he is on Silver Age stuff but then to produce things that would make the worst Iron Age excesses blush.
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May 20, 2024 12:27
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Geoff Johns has literally made a career out of writing dark and violent poo poo and then writing an event where the moral is "comics have gotten too dark and violent, they need to be brighter and more hopeful" as if he isn't the one who wrote the dark and violent stories he's critiquing.
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May 20, 2024 13:39
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Remember when grown up Titan risk had his arm ripped off by SBP, then Johns wrote in TT that it had been so traumatic it made him a villain against the Titans, only during Sinestro Corps War, he pops up again to try and fight SBP, only to get the OTHER arm ripped off? Is that how that happened? Pretty sure it was in the middle of his fight against Sodam Yat.
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May 20, 2024 17:49
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Sometimes you just gotta rip an arm off. Oldest trick in the book. I still think about the scene in Brightest Day (?) where Black Manta has been living peacefully, and Aquaman comes on the TV at the fish house he works at. Just casually kills everyone in the building with a knife. Presumably for some reason?
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Sometimes you just gotta rip an arm off. Oldest trick in the book. IIRC, this came only an issue or two before (or possibly after, I can't be bothered to remember that specifically) a scene where an evil Martian kills an entire human family after finding out that J'onn is alive again. If Johns had more self-awareness, this could have worked as an absurdist running gag satirizing the excesses of grimdark superhero comics, but obviously he didn't and I don't think it happened more than those two times anyway.
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Did Johns have Wonder Dog maul Marvin and Wendy or was that during the 'editorial is writing the book' period which might amount to the same thing?
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That was after. I don’t remember anything too dark happening in his Teen Titans.
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Not super dark on the scale of things, but Bart gets his leg broken and they have to repeatedly re-break it to set it properly since he healed so fast.
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Dawgstar posted:Did Johns have Wonder Dog maul Marvin and Wendy or was that during the 'editorial is writing the book' period which might amount to the same thing? Not sure if it was Johns but didn't Marvin die from that with Wendy becoming traumatized for the whole thing? A similar thing happened with Osiris and Isis, remember them? They had a cowardly gator guy following them around since they saved him. Turns out he was one of the Horsemen of the Apoclypse(not that one), and in a comic reveals he's evil by eating Osiris. Straight from bumbling goofy gator man to pure evil I'm going to eat you. That might have happened in Countdown? Or 52? Forget who wrote that one. Fun fact, for awhile you could get name dropped in the GL comics. All you had to do was use your real name on the Geoff John forum. If lucky you got picked. One of the people chosen for this was a girl, her character in an issue gets torn apart in a extremely brutal scene on the beach by a character that was King Shark or another Shark Man Guy character. Some time after this she stopped reading his books and he got pissy with her about it. Darth Nat posted:Geoff Johns has literally made a career out of writing dark and violent poo poo and then writing an event where the moral is "comics have gotten too dark and violent, they need to be brighter and more hopeful" as if he isn't the one who wrote the dark and violent stories he's critiquing. Pretty much. It was weird seeing them talking and preaching about how dark and gloomy things got, that it took away from comics and they wanted to move past that, yet they were the ones doing it! And were doing it to a greater degree than any other.
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The Last Call posted:A similar thing happened with Osiris and Isis, remember them? They had a cowardly gator guy following them around since they saved him. Turns out he was one of the Horsemen of the Apoclypse(not that one), and in a comic reveals he's evil by eating Osiris. Straight from bumbling goofy gator man to pure evil I'm going to eat you. That might have happened in Countdown? Or 52? Forget who wrote that one. That was 52. So I forget who was exactly responsible for that. I think I remember someone said Johns did most of the Black Adam story, but I know 52 was a multi-author tale so I don't know how much you can really pin on him.
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Endless Mike posted:Not super dark on the scale of things, but Bart gets his leg broken and they have to repeatedly re-break it to set it properly since he healed so fast. Deathstroke shoots up Bart's knee and in the same issue decides to take on the mantle of Kid Flash.
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Jiro posted:Deathstroke shoots up Bart's knee and in the same issue decides to take on the mantle of Kid Flash. That's what it was
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