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Kenning posted:Fantasy and goonzuke results will be coming after work today! There's quite a log jam up at the top of makuuchi on the goonzuke that is giving me some trouble, but I think I'll be able to resolve it. When you first unveiled the goonzuke I spent part of an afternoon trying to write an algorithm that took an existing banzuke and tournament results and returned a new banzuke deterministically given the rules you laid out, just as a fun exercise, before shelving it since no one asked for that and I had other poo poo to do. I assume the banzuke being created through mysterious deliberations of the Goon Sumo Association is desirable in order to reflect the authentic way of sumo, but if it'd be helpful I can dig out my notes/finish that algorithm for future bashos--PM if you want!
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Oh man, I'll definitely PM about that. The fact that we have 19 people debuting this tournament is also making some rank stuff a little wonky, but I'm sure we'll cap out on participation eventually lol.Khizan posted:IMO it really only gets to be a problem when the top ranks get hit with a wave of injuries. I remember one basho(I want to say November 2020) where everybody ended up with Takakeisho as their y/o pick because Shodai and Asanoyama both went kyujo and the yokozuna weren't competing. Yeah, I remember that. The good thing is that it's rare for the y/o ranks to determine the fantasy winner. Usually it's a maegashira who has a breakout basho and gets a special prize that is the real clincher. Under normal circumstances, all of the y/o guys will get 9-13 wins, and don't qualify for any bonus points other than yusho/jun-yusho. But if you have an m11 like Kotonowaka going 12-3 and getting a special prize that's 16 total points in that rank, while the next down is Ura, who got 11 points with a 10-5. A spread of 5 points is worth like 3-6 positions on the arasoi.
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Yeah, that's why I keep waffling on Tochinoshin. I love the Georgian giant, but that M11+ pick is super valuable.
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is it normal to be itchin' for more sumo the day after a tournament ends?
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Jul 19, 2021 23:54
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The week before and week after is when I'm most likely to buy sumo merch to fill the void. Speaking of, I have a picture banzuke from this basho coming in the new couple days.
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Alright everyone, it's the thing you've all been waiting for: Nagoya 2021 Fantasy Sumo Results Makuuchi code:code:Down in juryo, newcomer TwoWordName takes the inaugural juryo yusho, again winning out over runner-up KungfuGrip by taking Mitakeumi over Wakatakakage for the s/k slot. Again, Hakuho was necessary for any victory condition here. Solid fight in the lower division. On to special prizes! A refresher, these are the special prizes: Gino-sho/Technique: No make-koshi on your team. Kanto-sho/Fighting Spirit: Exceptional performance from a low rank, or other acknowledgement of great performance. Shukun-sho/Outstanding Performance: Getting the highest number of accolades (i.e. kinboshi, yusho/jun-yusho, and sansho) in the field. So, who are the awardees? Gino-sho: bartolimu, captainblastum, MyChemicalImbalance, whats for dinner Kanto-sho: captainblastum, Skortje Shukun-sho: Not awarded (would have just been everybody that took Hoshoryu) Next up is the goonzuke post!
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Jul 20, 2021 05:07
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clap clap clap clap clap clap e: im in the stands
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This goonzuke was a bit hard, and I did some real plumbing of Sumo DB. The greatest difficulty was in the san'yaku/joi. There were several really good records up top, and I was anxious about forcing extra sekiwake and komusubi slots. However, this led me to learn something about sumo, which is that they used to be really profligate with extra san'yaku slots. In Aki 1944 there were 5 sekiwake and 3 komusubi. Obviously that's before modern sumo, but in Aki 1974 there were 3 sekiwake and 4 komusubi. In fact, it's only really since the 2000s that they've been seriously gun shy about adding extra san'yaku slots. That gave me the reassurance to be pretty loose with all that. Here it is! code:In the next part of the banzuke we have some disproportionate movement, as we needed to fill things out without much to work with. Notable is Khizan only dropping 3 slots from M2e to M5e after being 14 slots down from KK, and myself, Kenning, only getting a 4 rank jump from M5e to M1e with a 4th place finish. There were also some big moves from the bottom of the banzuke, with MyChemicalImalance and jmzero both getting a 9 rank jump, and some mercy as Fluffdaddy stayed in place despite a losing record. Four of the juryo debutantes made it into makuuchi, including yusho winner TwoWordName at M12w, runner-up KungfuGrip at M14e, and chasers Bellwether and LlamaTrauma at M15w and M17w respectively. The biggest falls into juryo were Crusty Nutsack, tumbling from M10e to J3e, and Robviously, down from M14w to J6w. Really looking forward to Nagoya and seeing how many people can play fantasy without my spreadsheets falling apart completely. Great basho! Kenning fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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Jul 20, 2021 05:36
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I'm in the cheap seats hoping everyone had a good time
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Jul 20, 2021 05:37
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im the rikishi with two bad knees and a bad back
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You're a maegashira now, have some pride!
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Thanks for running fantasy sumo, Kenning! I am glad I was able to get out there and really impose my style of fantasy sumo. I'm looking forward to getting back to training (reading this thread) and pumped for next basho.
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thanks for doing a full banzuke, adds to the funKenning posted:
oh gently caress i'm in danger of turning into mitakeumi
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Ah poo poo I'm right at the rank where they're gonna make me run the gauntlet of everyone in san'yakgoon at the beginning of the basho
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temporary rule change idea for next basho: virtually everyone's gonna want either hakuho or terunofuji and the ozeki/sekiwake corps are weak with asanoyama obv kyujo and takakeisho a massive question mark due to injury. maybe allow everyone their choice of one of the two yokuzuna (no trades allowed tho) and combine O/S/K for aki? Thauros fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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Jul 20, 2021 05:57
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from K to M6 as is traditional the first time. Looking forward to the comeback!
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From bottom of the pack on Day 3 to a respectable record by the end. Just call me Ishiura. 
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I'm basically fantasy Tokushoryu. Took the yusho in my first basho and now I'm just sliding down the ranks.
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Khizan posted:I'm basically fantasy Tokushoryu. Took the yusho in my first basho and now I'm just sliding down the ranks. You had a winning record after your first yusho, then a mild losing record, and then another winning record. You're definitely better than Tokushoryu, that seems more like a Mitakeumi thing to me, or maybe Goeido.
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Considering how it started I'll take 34.5 points. J7e is alright after a long layoff.
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Kenning posted:Gino-sho/Technique: No make-koshi on your team. Sigh, I should've just picked Shodai right off the bat instead of going with Takakeisho before being forced to trade.
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I do kinda wonder how an uninjured Takakeisho might have changed things. I don't think he would've posed Hakuho or Terunofuji any issues with the way they were both fighting. But it probably would've made the end run for Mitakeumi, Meisei and Shodai a bit more fraught with danger.
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Brut posted:Sigh, I should've just picked Shodai right off the bat instead of going with Takakeisho before being forced to trade. To be fair, Takakeisho was a much safer pick than Shodai "got my kachi-koshi on day 15" Naoya. That day 2 injury really sucked.
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Kenning posted:To be fair, Takakeisho was a much safer pick than Shodai "got my kachi-koshi on day 15" Naoya. That day 2 injury really sucked. I'm kinda relieved we haven't heard much more about 'keisho since the initial kyujo announcement just because it makes me seem like it's not any worse than first thought. Still real worried for the dude
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https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1417384052152229892?s=20 FYI, this is the guy with a brother in MMA and who knocked Enho loopy with open-palm uppercuts last basho.
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Thanks for all the work you put into running this and coming up with the goonzuke. Awesome.
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Honestly, I'm not really sure how safe a bet Takakeisho is going to be in the future. Since July of last year he's gone kyujo in three bashos out of seven, and I don't see that rate improving unless he loses weight and changes his "always head first" technique.
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anakha posted:https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1417384052152229892?s=20 Roho and Hakurozan got shitcanned for weed related stuff back in 2008, so that may very well be the end of his career too.
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Is Takagenji the one who kept getting slapped by other rikishi because he wasn't bowing on the dohyo? E: ha, yes. Asahisho have him an extra slap once after beating him for constantly being a dick to his opponents. Elissimpark fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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anakha posted:knocked Enho loopy with open-palm uppercuts last basho. Yo weed is supposed to make you chill 
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anakha posted:https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1417384052152229892?s=20 Chris Sumo released this weird rear end video that this was all a vendetta against Takanohana, including saying oh they went after Abi and finally got him. Fucker, Abi deserved to be gone after for the poo poo he pulled.
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Oh yeah, Kenning, as always, thank you for running Fantasy! It's a hell of a lot of fun until your team disintegrates before your eyes and I'm looking forward to hopefully pushing out of Juryo in Aki!
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Thanks again Kenning! There's so much luck involved in this. I'm pretty sure Tobizaru saved me by beating Tamawashi on day 15 and denying him a prize.
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Takagenji? More like toke a ganja, amirite?? That thread says he did an Asanoyama style lie-and-then-recant too, so I imagine he's going to get no love or help from the NSK. Don't think many people will be sad to see him go. Thanks for another fun fantasy basho, Kenning. I just barely managed to hang on to Komusubi thanks to Ichiyamamoto and Mitakeumi, and no thanks to Daieisho. Can't believe I thought he was an underrated pick.
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Thanks for running Kenning! My dudes did well, but the Basho itself was full of great storylines and I'm very much looking forward to September.
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Lid posted:Chris Sumo released this weird rear end video that this was all a vendetta against Takanohana, including saying oh they went after Abi and finally got him. Fucker, Abi deserved to be gone after for the poo poo he pulled. He put up a video after Asanoyama's punishment that gives context for his opinions. Essentially he alleged that Abi and Asanoyama's behaviour are not anomalies. They were thrown under the bus in order to stop anyone from looking too deeply into the culture fostered by the sumo bigwigs. Essentially, he's saying that if they would do even a cursory investigation, most of makuuchi and juryo would be on indefinite suspension and the leadership would be forced to retire.
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Kenning posted:goonzuke thanks for running the league kenning! looking forward to september
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Finishing 8th after such a bad start is pretty decent, glad I stuck with my guys where I could. Thanks for running the show Kenning.
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Thanks from me as well! Was just below the KK/MK line all tournament until the final day. Just barely made kachi-koshi by the slimmest possible margin which meant the day 15 wins from Ura, Aoiyama, Watatakakage and Takanosho's final-day KK were all critical for me.
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The YDC are not happy with Hakuho, in particular with his Shodai bout and his forearm shiver against Terunofuji https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14399422
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