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Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Danann posted:

https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1791115937141157930

Can't wait for Iowa to lead the revolution.

This is really sweet. Not the weirdo goober getting all cross about the nice trip the kids took, but the cool trip they got to take because of agriculture stuff.

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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

ngl a lil jealous
https://x.com/mtracey/status/1791449676027167019

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1791075341382910160?t=UaobBeJNqoBfAU5s4Vot2w&s=19

may the odds be ever in your favour

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

The Cringe Curtain

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

I think the guy at 9 seconds was doing a different salute, if you catch my drift

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
I appreciate that you can pretty much pick out any astroturfed Western backed attempt at fomenting domestic upheaval/a color revolution because they immediately start quoting Star Wars or Harry Potter or doing some Hunger Games poo poo. Zelensky and Israel do that poo poo all the time too.
I mean I guess it makes sense, it's all for the consumption of baby brained liberals in the West.

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1791585416325341665?t=xnXaCvRmvDK4QfmGmX68BQ&s=19

this allusion meant
Apr 9, 2006
myanmar and thailand do/did have some ngo types around the edges in those movements but are probably the least reducible to just that out of recent stuff. georgia otoh seems to be a turf war between ngos

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 19 hours!

In Training posted:

The Cringe Curtain

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


crepeface posted:

not surprised about the EVs and green tech but lmfao steel and aluminium to 25%?!?!

it's fine, hardly anything uses the stuff

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Lord of Pie posted:

it's fine, hardly anything uses the stuff

im sure somewhere like africa can supply both cheaper just because they have much cheaper labor than china, according to my infallible neolib econs

Deadly Ham Sandwich
Aug 19, 2009
Smellrose
That Iowa story is cool. I remember my high school Mandarin class got a Chinese field trip. Sounded fun and I was extremely jealous.


Boo! Give him a smooch

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Bamban is a nondescript town in the country's rice-growing flood plains north of the capital, Manila.

Its mayor, Alice Guo is the picture of a young, on-the-go public servant.

Bespectacled, with long black hair and a ready smile, the 35-year-old speaks Tagalog with no foreign accent and loves to wear pink in public.

Nothing about her life - she claims she grew up on a pig farm - seemed to raise alarm bells, until she was called to testify before a Senate hearing earlier this month.

Law enforcers had discovered that an online casino - known locally as a Pogo - in her town was really a front for a scam centre.

Authorities raided the facility last March and rescued close to 700 workers, including 202 Chinese nationals and 73 other foreigners who were forced to pose as online lovers.

Pogo stands for Philippine Offshore Gambling Operator whose clients include mainland Chinese people.

These businesses flourished during the tenure of Rodrigo Duterte, whose presidency, which ended in 2022, was marked by close ties to China.

But under current president Ferdinand Marcos, Pogos have come under close scrutiny after it was discovered that some of them have been used as fronts for human trafficking and online scam operations.

Ms Guo's case is unfolding as tensions between Manila and Beijing over reefs and outcrops in the resource-rich South China Sea heat up.

She was found to have owned half of the land where the Pogo stood, just behind her office. She claims she sold the property before she ran for mayor two years ago.

Video of the nearly eight-hectare compound showed it contained a grocery, warehouse, swimming pool, and even a wine cellar. The scam centre workers toiled on rows and rows of long white tables with computers.

Ms Guo was also found to have a helicopter and a Ford Expedition registered under her name but like the land, she claims, these have been sold long ago.

After the senate hearing, Senator Risa Hontiveros asked if Ms Guo was an "asset" of China based on her "opaque" replies to questions about her personal and business backgrounds.

Late on Thursday, President Marcos added his voice to growing alarm over Ms Guo's case.

"No-one knows her. We wonder where she came from, that's why we are investigating this, together with the Bureau of Immigration, because of the questions about her citizenship," Mr Marcos told reporters late Thursday.

Ms Guo told lawmakers that she was "not a coddler, not a protector of Pogos".

Little is known about her background, which is unusual in rural Philippines, where local officials are often affiliated with political dynasties. She is only on her first term as an elected official.

The Commission on Elections said she registered to vote in Bamban in 2021, or one year before she ran and won as mayor.

Her family name, Guo, is also not among the common family names of Filipinos with Chinese lineage. Though colonised by Spain, the Philippines and China have deep cultural ties because of centuries of trade. In fact, the country is home to the world's oldest Chinatown.

Under questioning by senators, Ms Guo admitted that her birth certificate was registered with local authorities only when she turned 17. She said this was because she was born in a house, not a in a hospital or clinic. She could not give further details.

She said she was home schooled exclusively inside the family compound where they also raised pigs. However, she could not remember the name of her home school organisation and named only one of her teachers.

She said her father is Filipino, but in business records, her father was identified as a Chinese citizen.

"Many are asking, who is Alice Guo?" she said in a 2022 campaign speech, according to Manila broadcaster GMA News.

"I am Alice Guo from Bamban. My mother is Filipina, my father is Chinese," she said in Tagalog.

Ms Hontiveros was among those who quizzed Ms Guo about her birth and education records. When she pressed the mayor to be more specific, she only got "I will get back to you" in reply.

"I am most alarmed at how opaque may Guo's answers have been, especially her background," Ms Hontiveros told reporters.

"Is Mayor Alice, and those like her with mysterious backgrounds, working as an asset for China? Planted in our country so that they will be able to influence Philippine politics?" she said.

"It's hard to believe Bamban Mayor Alice Guo, when her answer to our questions is always 'I don't know' and she can't even remember where she lived," said Senator Sherwin Gatchalian, who was also at the hearing.

Ms Guo has not commented on the spying allegation and has largely avoided media interviews since her appearance at the Senate last week.

Mr Marcos said the investigation on Ms Guo aims to prevent foreign nationals from holding public office in the country. He said the Philippines was "not necessarily looking at just one country".

"We will tighten law enforcement. The laws are there, the problem is some think these people can bring money in, or they get bribed," Mr Marcos said.

The Commission on Elections and the Solicitor General are investigating Guo's case to see whether she had been holding public office unlawfully. If proven, she could be removed from her post.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

quote:

Joe Biden's tariffs of 50% on imported Chinese solar panels has been tried before. In 2012, President Obama slapped tariffs up to 249% on solar imports from China, in an effort to save his signature energy plan.

China retaliated by putting slapping import restrictions on polysilicon imports from the US. At the time, the United States had 50% of the global market share on polysilicon, which was shipped to foundries in China to be turned into ingots, a key component in solar panel manufacturing. But the higher costs of US polysilicon quickly made our producers uncompetitive, and demand collapsed. Now the US stands at under 5% of that market.

what if we try sanctions again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyftfzyAUw8

dads friend steve
Dec 24, 2004

yellen’s on top of it, no sweat

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:

Boo! Give him a smooch

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was disappointed they didn't get fraternal with it

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Some Guy TT posted:

Bamban is a nondescript town in the country's rice-growing flood plains north of the capital, Manila.

Its mayor, Alice Guo is the picture of a young, on-the-go public servant.

Bespectacled, with long black hair and a ready smile, the 35-year-old speaks Tagalog with no foreign accent and loves to wear pink in public.

Nothing about her life - she claims she grew up on a pig farm - seemed to raise alarm bells, until she was called to testify before a Senate hearing earlier this month.

Law enforcers had discovered that an online casino - known locally as a Pogo - in her town was really a front for a scam centre.

Authorities raided the facility last March and rescued close to 700 workers, including 202 Chinese nationals and 73 other foreigners who were forced to pose as online lovers.

Pogo stands for Philippine Offshore Gambling Operator whose clients include mainland Chinese people.

These businesses flourished during the tenure of Rodrigo Duterte, whose presidency, which ended in 2022, was marked by close ties to China.

But under current president Ferdinand Marcos, Pogos have come under close scrutiny after it was discovered that some of them have been used as fronts for human trafficking and online scam operations.

Ms Guo's case is unfolding as tensions between Manila and Beijing over reefs and outcrops in the resource-rich South China Sea heat up.

She was found to have owned half of the land where the Pogo stood, just behind her office. She claims she sold the property before she ran for mayor two years ago.

Video of the nearly eight-hectare compound showed it contained a grocery, warehouse, swimming pool, and even a wine cellar. The scam centre workers toiled on rows and rows of long white tables with computers.

Ms Guo was also found to have a helicopter and a Ford Expedition registered under her name but like the land, she claims, these have been sold long ago.

After the senate hearing, Senator Risa Hontiveros asked if Ms Guo was an "asset" of China based on her "opaque" replies to questions about her personal and business backgrounds.

Late on Thursday, President Marcos added his voice to growing alarm over Ms Guo's case.

"No-one knows her. We wonder where she came from, that's why we are investigating this, together with the Bureau of Immigration, because of the questions about her citizenship," Mr Marcos told reporters late Thursday.

Ms Guo told lawmakers that she was "not a coddler, not a protector of Pogos".

Little is known about her background, which is unusual in rural Philippines, where local officials are often affiliated with political dynasties. She is only on her first term as an elected official.

The Commission on Elections said she registered to vote in Bamban in 2021, or one year before she ran and won as mayor.

Her family name, Guo, is also not among the common family names of Filipinos with Chinese lineage. Though colonised by Spain, the Philippines and China have deep cultural ties because of centuries of trade. In fact, the country is home to the world's oldest Chinatown.

Under questioning by senators, Ms Guo admitted that her birth certificate was registered with local authorities only when she turned 17. She said this was because she was born in a house, not a in a hospital or clinic. She could not give further details.

She said she was home schooled exclusively inside the family compound where they also raised pigs. However, she could not remember the name of her home school organisation and named only one of her teachers.

She said her father is Filipino, but in business records, her father was identified as a Chinese citizen.

"Many are asking, who is Alice Guo?" she said in a 2022 campaign speech, according to Manila broadcaster GMA News.

"I am Alice Guo from Bamban. My mother is Filipina, my father is Chinese," she said in Tagalog.

Ms Hontiveros was among those who quizzed Ms Guo about her birth and education records. When she pressed the mayor to be more specific, she only got "I will get back to you" in reply.

"I am most alarmed at how opaque may Guo's answers have been, especially her background," Ms Hontiveros told reporters.

"Is Mayor Alice, and those like her with mysterious backgrounds, working as an asset for China? Planted in our country so that they will be able to influence Philippine politics?" she said.

"It's hard to believe Bamban Mayor Alice Guo, when her answer to our questions is always 'I don't know' and she can't even remember where she lived," said Senator Sherwin Gatchalian, who was also at the hearing.

Ms Guo has not commented on the spying allegation and has largely avoided media interviews since her appearance at the Senate last week.

Mr Marcos said the investigation on Ms Guo aims to prevent foreign nationals from holding public office in the country. He said the Philippines was "not necessarily looking at just one country".

"We will tighten law enforcement. The laws are there, the problem is some think these people can bring money in, or they get bribed," Mr Marcos said.

The Commission on Elections and the Solicitor General are investigating Guo's case to see whether she had been holding public office unlawfully. If proven, she could be removed from her post.

There's a sort of George Santos element to the story where all of this comes out... after she'd already won the election. Where was all this due diligence before? Who was her opponent that she managed beat? What did she run on that she still won?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
it's hard to scaremonger about the yellow peril if the alleged yellow peril candidate loses

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


gradenko_2000 posted:

There's a sort of George Santos element to the story where all of this comes out... after she'd already won the election. Where was all this due diligence before? Who was her opponent that she managed beat? What did she run on that she still won?

she's an isekai protagonist

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

crepeface posted:

not surprised about the EVs and green tech but lmfao steel and aluminium to 25%?!?!

next comes the part where the US pressures Australia to not ship raw materials to China anymore either

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Spergin Morlock posted:

next comes the part where the US pressures Australia to not ship raw materials to China anymore either

Australia's too stupid to master the advanced technology of steel production, we just export iron ore for china to turn into steel. I guess we can ship it to Germany inste... -i guess we can ship it to Japan!

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
demon cracker nation nukes world economy because the chinese are beating them at their own game

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

gradenko_2000 posted:

There's a sort of George Santos element to the story where all of this comes out... after she'd already won the election. Where was all this due diligence before? Who was her opponent that she managed beat? What did she run on that she still won?

If this story is set on a continental SEA country, or anywhere physically close to Myanmar, I would put a dollar on she is the daughter of the boss of a certain scam operation. Certainly not "linked to CPC", but people who specialize in scamming Chinese citizens. Like these senators keep say she is an asset of China. No you moron find out who her father is.

But this is in the Philippines, I don't know how much scam operation they have. I haven't heard anything outside of actual online gambling. Plus Philippines has had bad relationship with China for a long time, going back to before Duterte. So I don't know what else to say. I would keep an eye on this interesting story.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 10:08 on May 18, 2024

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

Cerebral Bore posted:

demon cracker nation nukes world economy because the chinese are beating them at their own game

homer simpson meme: has beaten

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

they found the loophole on liberal democracy

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Honest Thief posted:

they found the loophole on liberal democracy

Liberals believe this is why Jan 6 was a threat

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

KomradeX posted:

Liberals believe this is why Jan 6 was a threat

new National Treasure movie where they need to recover the speaker of the house pulpit or whatever is americans use

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
at least in britland you have to steal a giant anime mace

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

that mace is the queen plz show some respect

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

this allusion meant posted:

myanmar and thailand do/did have some ngo types around the edges in those movements but are probably the least reducible to just that out of recent stuff. georgia otoh seems to be a turf war between ngos

last year there were big protests in georgia about a "pro russia" law

that law forced ngos to disclose the countries that fund them lmfao

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


crepeface posted:

Australia's too stupid to master the advanced technology of steel production, we just export iron ore for china to turn into steel. I guess we can ship it to Germany inste... -i guess we can ship it to Japan!

Don't they have a bunch of coal? What the hell is going on down there?

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:

You have to look at it from the north faction/southern faction dynamic POV. The Vietnam power structure is spread out to 4 top roles and they are usually equally split between the northern side and southern side. Now this real estate bank failure scandal has pushed the scale to the northern side and they took the 3 out of 4 roles.

The rest of the position changes should be viewed from the north/south lens. But I don't know how to check that for Vietnamese generals.

wait im confused why would the vietnamese government be set up so that southerners get fifty percent of the key power positions everybody knows that the whole reason we couldnt let the northerners win was because they would do their best to try and genocide the southerners just like what happened in germany

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

did georgia end up passing that ngo law

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



HallelujahLee posted:

did georgia end up passing that ngo law

Yeah they did

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Yeah they did

good was hoping they wouldnt bend before a bunch of astroturfed color protests

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Justin Tyme posted:

Don't they have a bunch of coal? What the hell is going on down there?

we also ship that to china (so they can make steel)

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Some Guy TT posted:

wait im confused why would the vietnamese government be set up so that southerners get fifty percent of the key power positions everybody knows that the whole reason we couldnt let the northerners win was because they would do their best to try and genocide the southerners just like what happened in germany

IIRC it has to do with the way Vietnam was unified. It didn't end like a traditional civil war where one side mop up the remianing resistance of the other side (see American or Chinese civil war). It was an underground movement of the south that played a big part in overthrowing the southern government and negotiating the unification.

Keep in mind Vietnam went from the fall of Saigon (75) to actively expelling ethnic Chinese out of Vietnam (78) to the Sino Vietnamese war (79) in a very short spin.

Also culturally north Vietnam was under Chinese dynastic rule for quite a while, longer and later than when northern Korea peninsula was under Chinese rule. So northern Vietnam was part of the Confucianism/Sinic civilian and southern Vietnam was part of the Theravada Buddhism Civilization.

Edit, also the very southern part of Vietnam was not traditionally Vietnam until the last hundred. They took it from Cambodia and took away Cambodia's Mekong river delta.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 16:20 on May 18, 2024

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001

stephenthinkpad posted:

If this story is set on a continental SEA country, or anywhere physically close to Myanmar, I would put a dollar on she is the daughter of the boss of a certain scam operation. Certainly not "linked to CPC", but people who specialize in scamming Chinese citizens. Like these senators keep say she is an asset of China. No you moron find out who her father is.

But this is in the Philippines, I don't know how much scam operation they have. I haven't heard anything outside of actual online gambling. Plus Philippines has had bad relationship with China for a long time, going back to before Duterte. So I don't know what else to say. I would keep an eye on this interesting story.

It's stupid to link this to the Chinese government in any way because they've been explicitly arresting and extraditing online scammers, not to mention the human trafficking of Chinese citizens.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

GlassEye-Boy posted:

It's stupid to link this to the Chinese government in any way because they've been explicitly arresting and extraditing online scammers, not to mention the human trafficking of Chinese citizens.

my understanding is that the only meat to the "foreign police stations", in the minority of causes where they werent just consular-style services for people from Fujian, was that they were going after chinese citizens abroad doing phone scams and such--against people in china-- because interpol was straight up ignoring china's authoritarian requests to suppress these dissidents' rights to commit international wire fraud

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Yeah they did

Real curious when it goes into effect because I've gotten interested in where the NGO funding is coming from.

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