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Z the IVth posted:Just watched it and thought it was amazing. Went in expecting a bog standard whodunnit having not seen any trailers and got a nice piece of social commentary instead. Or "I thought you should be at the funeral but I was out-voted." There's also that nice little detail of Linda's husband casually handing the plate he's finished with to Marta, who is not a maid or housekeeper.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Or "I thought you should be at the funeral but I was out-voted." The way that gag slowly pays out to make sure you realize no way anyone wanted her there was so choice.
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nerdman42 posted:The way that gag slowly pays out to make sure you realize no way anyone wanted her there was so choice. Holy poo poo I don't know how I missed that but that's great
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 02:18 |
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I love how the It kid was perfect as the alt right Nazi Rich boy. He’s gonna have to patreon grift and then when that gets shut down he’ll post a free speech gofundme on his groyper Twitter
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 02:31 |
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CaptainPsyko posted:By the way, if people liked this movie - and in particular liked the fact that it plays very heavily with genre tropes right down to overwhelmingly affected dialogue that somehow manages to work - but are unfamiliar with Rian Johnson other than “he’s the man that ruined my Star War / saved my Star War” and maybe a few Breaking Bad episodes, let this post be the one that tells you to go watch Brick right now it’s on Netflix and stop reading this post go watch Brick. I’m not gonna lie I tried watching brick years ago and stopped because it didn’t really grab me. I must have thought it was slower than what noir should actually be
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 02:39 |
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We saw it a second time today, and missed Joseph Gordon-Levitt's cameo again. When is it?
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 02:47 |
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Jonas Albrecht posted:We saw it a second time today, and missed Joseph Gordon-Levitt's cameo again. When is it? He’s the TV Cop in the show Marta’s sister is watching right at the beginning.
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 02:54 |
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Jonas Albrecht posted:We saw it a second time today, and missed Joseph Gordon-Levitt's cameo again. When is it? He was the murderer in the podcast Marta's sister was listening to in the opening EDIT: That'll teach me to refresh next time
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 03:04 |
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I've loved everything Rian Johnson has done (except The Brothers Bloom, which I haven't seen) and this was no exception. I didn't really know anything going in other than "whodunnit by Rian Johnson", so everything else came as a pleasant surprise; great performances, good twists, and nicely done political/social commentary (it still feels weird to have movies explicitly set in the Trump era).Jonas Albrecht posted:There's also that nice little detail of Linda's husband casually handing the plate he's finished with to Marta, who is not a maid or housekeeper.
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 03:11 |
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I noticed that little touch, that's a really effective ad lib by him. Just the perfect little extra dash of loathsomeness.
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 05:28 |
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I know a lot of people like Don Johnson's character and when he handed the plate to her, I cringed. Perfect.
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 06:03 |
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It's a stellar moment of cinema. It is the essence of "show, don't tell". Sublime .
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Z the IVth posted:Just watched it and thought it was amazing. Went in expecting a bog standard whodunnit having not seen any trailers and got a nice piece of social commentary instead. There's a lot of great camera work and body language that shows nobody really sees Marta until the very moment the will is read and everyone turns to look directly at her. In everyone's flashbacks Marta is always on the periphery or the background. And I love the little jokes like "You should've been invited to the funeral but I was outvoted" and "hey kiddo" *weak rear end hug* "hey kiddo" *stares daggers at phone. She's also the only one framed in the center of that knife display during her confessional, everyone else sits off to the right.
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 16:47 |
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I really really really enjoyed this film. My only problem with it, and it's a minor one, is Riki Lindhome's character was pointless. She has, what, one line? Two? Bit strange. Makes me wonder if she was heavily edited out of the film or something. As a big mystery novel fan, the scene where Ransom is accosted by the dogs instantly made me think he did it. I didn't know how he did it, of course, but it was him. That's the kind of seemingly innocuous detail that always ends up being important during the reveal! Then, later on, when the detective made the comment "Dogs are a good judge of character" that sealed the deal for me. Felt satisfying to know I was right!
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Doctor Reynolds posted:the scene where Ransom is accosted by the dogs instantly made me think he did it. I didn't know how he did it, of course, but it was him. That's the kind of seemingly innocuous detail that always ends up being important during the reveal! Then, later on, when the detective made the comment "Dogs are a good judge of character" that sealed the deal for me. Felt satisfying to know I was right! Same, but with the blank letter. It almost looked like there were invisible letters for a second when it hit the light, and then when Jamie Lee Curtis showed her other letters I knew those weren't just smudges of age and ink! Kinda expected it to have a bit more to it though, other than just "hey your marriage is ruined now." That was something we were discussing after the movie: everyone seems to lose financially but keeps their immediate family, but the favorite(?) daughter still has her business though is left with a cheating husband and a murdering son.
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# ? Dec 2, 2019 23:33 |
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I kind of loved that this didnt really go too overboard with some convulted and overly complicated reveal. It was just clever enough and I like that the movie was much more interested in making a point with the mystery instead of trying to blow the audiences mind with some dumb left field reveal and nonsensical plot. It was almost perfectly obvious once things started to piece together and yet when the first reveal happens you become much more invested in Martas story and plight then figuring anything out. Great loving movie. Love everything Johnson does, warts and all
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 00:23 |
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don't have much to add that hasn't been said other than I loved it. one of my favourite movies of the year and maybe even one of my favourite movies ever (have to re-watch to make that call ultimately). the acting was amazing through the entire cast, the dialogue was funny and well written, the story and mystery made sense and the direction had some really nice framing. I also liked what it had to say politically and it's overall message about how/why marta ultimately "won" but it didn't get too overboard with it, just made it's point succinctly and ended strongly. just a masterfully satisfying piece of work.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 01:54 |
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I was trying to figure out the significance of the journey the baseball goes on, and it's clever. Richard throws the baseball out the window after finding the seemingly blank letter. Eventually, it winds up in Linda's hands, who goes to put it back in her father's study. Richard's impulsive act leads his wife right to the damning evidence.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:I was trying to figure out the significance of the journey the baseball goes on, and it's clever. Richard throws the baseball out the window after finding the seemingly blank letter. Eventually, it winds up in Linda's hands, who goes to put it back in her father's study. Richard's impulsive act leads his wife right to the damning evidence. that's a nice detail. after being thrown from the house, the detective finds it and then tosses it for the dog and I think linda gets it from the dog if I remember right.
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AccountSupervisor posted:I kind of loved that this didnt really go too overboard with some convulted and overly complicated reveal.
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Friend posted:Same, but with the blank letter. It almost looked like there were invisible letters for a second when it hit the light, and then when Jamie Lee Curtis showed her other letters I knew those weren't just smudges of age and ink! Kinda expected it to have a bit more to it though, other than just "hey your marriage is ruined now." If I’m reading Harlan right, he had no problem helping his family if they don’t cheat him or become reliant on him. Linda was born on third base but still made it to homeplate y’know?
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I think the idea re: Harlan's attitude is he used to buy the "self made success" bullshit all the rest of his family espouses, but after years of interacting with Marta, who is smarter than any of his family, extremely skilled at her trade, and quick witted enough to completely school him in his favorite hobbies, but could only rise to the level of being a RN making less than $20 an hour due to the genuine hurdles life threw in her way, he realized that he was severely hurting his family by supporting them constantly while letting them believe that the luxury and prosperity was something they worked for, and not something they were handed. Linda is genuinely the only one of his children that isn't dependent on him, which is why he didn't put her through the wringer like everyone else.
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PASS THE MASH posted:If I’m reading Harlan right, he had no problem helping his family if they don’t cheat him or become reliant on him. Linda was born on third base but still made it to homeplate y’know? I get the sense she was his favorite. Not enough for him to keep her in the will, but she'd done well enough anyway. She also seems to be the one least concerned about the money per se, but that it's her father's "stuff". She's still concerned about the money obviously but not quite the same as Walt or what's her face, Tomi's character. I don't know if it was Jamie Lee Curtis just selling the gently caress out of it or a lot of cleverness in the script, but she seems weirdly well-realized relative to her actual screentime. She's also the only one smart enough that I don't think Blanc gets anything useful from her. Pick fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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re: Harlan I think his primary motivation wasn't to make sure that Marta got the money but to make sure that his family didn't. None of the rich people in the family did things for noble reasons and Harlan was no exception IMO. He was spiteful enough to kill himself to make sure they didn't get it, and he succeeded at that! As Blanc points out, if he had listened to her he wouldn't have died. He was no better than the rest. re: Linda I figured the invisible ink thing out as soon as I saw the letter was blank because Linda had gone on about her Dad playing "games" and having to play along to communicate with him. They showed her reading a bunch of identically marked letters with brown ink later too. I actually cracked up really hard at the husband winding up to throw that baseball through window and then it just plopping onto the grass outside because it was open. Great little visual gag. re: The dogs I also about died when the dog came back with the lattice plank after Marta tossed it and handing it Blanc directly. But the dogs were the big clue there was more going on during the whole movie since we knew the dogs barked (Meg heard them) but Marta wasn't why they barked because the dogs liked and knew Marta. Ransom was the only character we see the dogs bark at during the rest of the movie. That was really the only loose end that didn't fit for the majority of the middle of the movie and I had to wait all the way until the end for the payoff on it.
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CaptainPsyko posted:It’s just a Quirky Massachussets Thing; State Police have jurisdiction over homicide cases everywhere except for Boston basically. Huh. Points to the movie for that then.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 20:18 |
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I saw this over the weekend and I loved it. It did a great job of messing with my expectations and the conclusion felt like a great job at capping off everything that the movie was about.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 20:41 |
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The political messaging of this movie was awful. It felt like Rian Johnson watched Get Out and wished that he could make that movie, and that influenced the script here. However, since Johnson has no concept of how white racists are perceived by minorities he isn't capable of producing an honest, revealing script like Get Out had and instead relies on hacky cultural signifiers don't reveal anything beyond the fact that Johnson was clever enough to observe them. What's worse is Johnson's need to absolve white people for being racists. Imagine if in Get Out Daniel Kaluuya's character had a nice white friend to give him advice about how to deal with the mean racists, or if there was a member of the family that felt bad about lobotomizing black people, but Kaluuya gave that person a big 'ol hug at the end of the movie to fix everything. It would be loving insulting, and that's how I felt watching this movie. It's because Rian Johnson is like every "white guilt" liberal, who wants to feel the alleviation of guilt without having to actually feel guilty. As long as there are worse racists out there, Johnson believes, fallible white people can be forgiven for their mistakes without doing anything to deserve it. Johnson wanted to create a good follow-up to Get Out, but instead he made the movie from Bradley Whitford's character's point of view. The mystery itself was good, but the problem is that it does what a lot of scripts do nowadays and heavily foreshadow every single twist. Plummer's character literally explains the main twist of the movie in exacting detail. How could anybody not see the ending of the movie coming?
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pospysyl posted:The political messaging of this movie was awful. It felt like Rian Johnson watched Get Out and wished that he could make that movie, and that influenced the script here. However, since Johnson has no concept of how white racists are perceived by minorities he isn't capable of producing an honest, revealing script like Get Out had and instead relies on hacky cultural signifiers don't reveal anything beyond the fact that Johnson was clever enough to observe them. Did we watch the same movie? Who do you think the protagonist is, because it's not Blanc and it's certainly not Meg.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 21:13 |
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Obviously I know Marta's the protagonist. My point is that the script has her forgive Meg, who conspired to report Marta's mom to ICE so that she could get tuition money, and Blanc is there to have a nice white person in the movie. Like, Blanc could have been played by Lakeith Stanfield and their roles could have been consolidated, but there is a very specific reason why that is not the case.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 21:22 |
I'm pretty sure Marta doesn't forgive Meg, she's just not going to cut her off from finishing her education in retribution, because Marta is a fundamentally kind person.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 21:38 |
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The entire ending is the point that now she decides and it's deliberately ambiguous what that will mean.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I'm pretty sure Marta doesn't forgive Meg, she's just not going to cut her off from finishing her education in retribution, because Marta is a fundamentally kind person. She gives Meg a big hug and says, "It's okay." She may not give Meg her tuition money, but Meg doesn't actually have a claim to it.
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pospysyl posted:She gives Meg a big hug and says, "It's okay." She may not give Meg her tuition money, but Meg doesn't actually have a claim to it. Marta saying "gently caress you" to Meg wouldn't really fit with her character. Plus at this time she had tremendous guilt because she believed she killed her grandad.
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pospysyl posted:She gives Meg a big hug and says, "It's okay." She may not give Meg her tuition money, but Meg doesn't actually have a claim to it. The point that this happens isn't at the end of the movie though, which makes a huge difference. It's admittedly been a few days since I saw it but it was definitely before Blanc's big reveal and IIRC (and please correct me if I am wrong) it is after Marta has resolved to tell the family the truth -- which means that Marta is hoping that Meg turns around and forgives her for accidentally killing her grandfather. Even if it is before that point, it would be during a point where Marta is frantically trying to cover her tracks to save her mother from deportation, so being rude to a racist is probably not in her best interest (and it's definitely not the movie saying "this is Marta genuinely forgiving her, that's the message we want you to take away from this") After the reveal Marta comes outside and silently judges the entire family with her "My house, my rules" mug Guy A. Person fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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yeah what on earth are you talking about, the whole point is that she isn't a jerk. She was willing to be accused of murdering two people to save the poisoned lady who was "accusing" her as she was dying. The movie had racists in it, but it wasn't a movie about racism, it was about entitled shitheads protecting their wealth. Am I forgetting a scene where Meg was even racist? That said though, it did seem weird that the one person who didn't really have any direct repercussions that I could tell was the nazi kid.
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I think the most important conversation regarding the future of the Thrombys is when Marta says "This Family! I should help them, right?" to which Blanc replies "Well I have my own opinion, but I think you're gonna follow your heart." I think that clearly tells us that Marta, after all that she's been put through by them, is going to help the Thrombys, and will not be cowed by them.
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Friend posted:Am I forgetting a scene where Meg was even racist?[/spoiler] Meg tells her family about Marta's mother's immigration status to give them leverage over her, because Meg is afraid of losing her access to the education her grandfather's wealth has provided. I think it's beside the point to argue whether this is more "racist" or "classist" or whatever, it's definitely a scummy move and it's Meg protecting her wealth/privilege.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 22:29 |
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The last shot of the movie with the coffee cup pretty much tells me exactly what Marta is gonna do with the money. “My house. “My rules.” Also I love how the first-ish shot of the movie is the last shot.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 22:35 |
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Blanc has to be there as the outside detective or the movie doesn't work. You could say that they could have had the actors switch roles but someone had to play the cop and someone had to play the detective. Ransom hiring the detective anonymously was kind of an important plot point. Also if you haven't been in a situation where you had to awkwardly hug someone, I can tell you that Marta's body language made it pretty clear to me that things were forced as gently caress. And Meg is right out there with the rest of them at the end. I do not think Marta has forgiven her. "It's okay" isn't "everything is forgiven" it's just filler words to get that person to stop touching you. Meg is overhuggy throughout the movie, as if being willing to hug Marta means they're friends. But they're not, and you realize they never were, just that Meg is performative about treating her like a person. Like how she assumed Marta needed some weed and raided 'the stash.' It's early enough this goes under the radar but do you guys think Marta smokes? Or is it more likely that Meg was using Marta's pain as a cover to justify stealing the joint for herself? Meg isn't a racist, but she is just as selfish and self-absorbed as the rest of them. Like if Marta HAD forgiven Meg I'd agree that's a poo poo message but I really didn't think she did.
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mistaya posted:Like if Marta HAD forgiven Meg I'd agree that's a poo poo message but I really didn't think she did. For a comparison, I would point to the scene earlier in the movie where Marta is brought in as a prop to Don Johnson's racist ranting. It would have been totally justified for Marta to go off on him, but her meek silence clearly isn't an endorsement of his views and it would be absurd to suggest they were. At the point in the movie where Marta offers her "forgiveness" it's still effectively coerced.
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