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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHV7cxkZlss old man rants about tonewood for 45 minutes or so
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May 19, 2024 16:12
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Shugojin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHV7cxkZlss 
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May 19, 2024 17:08
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Lord, how I hate Aerosmith
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May 20, 2024 05:11
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Shugojin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHV7cxkZlss PRS is absolutely insane and some of what he says is demonstrably true, but how much it actually matters is debatable. I love my PRS, I love my PRS pickup, and the guy is clearly a craftsman, but he also has that combo of carnival barker/snake oil salesman and Boomer that gets a little grating.
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May 20, 2024 05:35
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rickiep00h posted:PRS is absolutely insane and some of what he says is demonstrably true, but how much it actually matters is debatable. I love my PRS, I love my PRS pickup, and the guy is clearly a craftsman, but he also has that combo of carnival barker/snake oil salesman and Boomer that gets a little grating. Yeah for sure. Like I think wood does influence the sound of a guitar, yes, but I also think the difference between something like alder and mahogany is more subtle than the difference between a fresh vs dead set of strings, or less than the difference you'll hear between changing pickups. But it's still there. And yeah out of all the guys who run "guitar gear" companies, PRS has by far the most obnoxious on-camera presence out of any of them, probably by at least an order of magnitude. btw here’s the most "scientific" video on tonewood I've seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_A8GhN0L8 GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 08:43 on May 20, 2024 |
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May 20, 2024 07:13
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Oh and and here's some relevant thread content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4lhtt1rcFg It's like a direct sequel to that old Behold the Arctopus video. Who'd have thought the future of guitar would be dudes making Mario noises on an ironing board. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 08:46 on May 20, 2024 |
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May 20, 2024 07:14
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I saw a video where Paul Smith spoke at length about some magical process they had for pickups and it amounted to using a spectrum analyzer manufactured in 1992. Dude is a clown but clowns run all of these businesses because they honk a lot. Edit: I just think these dudes are afraid people will figure out there aren't any secrets to making great musical instruments. Dang It Bhabhi! fucked around with this message at 15:05 on May 20, 2024 |
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May 20, 2024 14:56
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I wanna grow a giant piezo crystal and use it for a body and pickup at the same time, man
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May 20, 2024 14:59
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GreatGreen posted:Yeah for sure. Like I think wood does influence the sound of a guitar, yes, but I also think the difference between something like alder and mahogany is more subtle than the difference between a fresh vs dead set of strings, or less than the difference you'll hear between changing pickups. But it's still there. This is at least experiments and recordings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n02tImce3AE where ultimately he can't find a ton of tonal difference between his nice tele and some other things once he isolates for pickup and electronics (pots/caps) values It's not super duper scientific since he ended up subject to human control on where exactly he strummed with what force stuff like that I'm not a big tonewood believer on electric guitars. It's definitely real acoustically when you are playing but I feel that gets massively squished by everything that modifies the electrical signal generated on its way to being converted into sound waves, but i do still want a pretty and comfortable instrument lol
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May 20, 2024 17:22
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i've got tonewood preferences on acoustics (walnut sounds sweet) and i think people could pass double-blind tests on acoustic tonewood. with electrics, i've had random weird guitar to guitar differences, where one mahogony single cut with a certain pickup sounds a lot darker than another mahogony singlecut with the same pickup. i don't really know that alder sounds different than mahogany and i just kind of see if i vibe with a guitar's sound and feel or not if i order one sight unseen.
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May 20, 2024 17:30
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If tonewood is real, we'd expect sonic qualifiers related to specific types of wood. But what I'm seeing is that more expensive woods have better tone. I think we can agree that there are no bad sounds, only sounds that work in context and sounds that don't. By that logic, some contexts should call for plywood or pine or whatever is cheap. But it's always an obvious correlation between desirability and price, which makes me think it's bullshit.
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May 20, 2024 18:51
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I think the transfer of vibes from the acoustics of the TONEWOOD tricks brains into including that in the amplified sounds we hear and maybe that's it? I play unplugged a lot and I feel like the ones that sound great naked also sound gooder when amped
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May 20, 2024 20:01
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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:I think the transfer of vibes from the acoustics of the TONEWOOD tricks brains into including that in the amplified sounds we hear and maybe that's it? I'd have to see some mechanical vibration science on it, but there have to be at least a little transfer of vibrational energy from the strings through the bridge and neck to the body then to the pickups. But how much of that gets converted into an electrical signal is what I'm wondering.
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May 20, 2024 20:06
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PRS has been building and playing guitars for forty years - I'm willing to accept thats he's hearing something very important to him while also saying I can happily get a decent tone for me out of a chunk of plywood covered in half an inch of poly. We have very different goals that don't overlap much.
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May 20, 2024 20:07
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darkwasthenight posted:PRS has been building and playing guitars for forty years - I'm willing to accept thats he's hearing something very important to him while also saying I can happily get a decent tone for me out of a chunk of plywood covered in half an inch of poly. We have very different goals that don't overlap much. i like his idea of saying it's all reductive, from a purely mechanical standpoint, that makes perfect sense, but then you add distortion into the mix and it's anybody's game adding a brass bridge and graphite saddles to one of my guitars did make it sound different but i don't know how much of that is that it really sounds different, and i just play it differently based on what i think i hear
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May 20, 2024 23:10
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muike posted:i like his idea of saying it's all reductive, from a purely mechanical standpoint, that makes perfect sense, but then you add distortion into the mix and it's anybody's game That may make a marginal difference as those are the only two points of contact the strings make with the rest of the guitar. PRS has a vested interest to make you believe they are innovative. Why the gently caress would you buy a PRS when there are guitars just as good for much cheaper? At least part of that is the perception that they are higher quality. Part of their strategy to make you believe that is a never-ending parade of bullshit. For example, he parents stuff that already exists or is of marginal value but sounds fancy so he can fold that back into the product literature/bullshit.
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May 20, 2024 23:24
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it'd be pretty funny if nu metal guys were still the bulk of his business like they were 20 years ago and paul was still out there lecturing on the importance of tap testing body woods in electric guitars and why tuner material is the single largest determinant of tone
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May 21, 2024 00:37
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BonHair posted:If tonewood is real, we'd expect sonic qualifiers related to specific types of wood. But what I'm seeing is that more expensive woods have better tone. I've seen people go to bat for basswood, pine, alder, and plywood construction in general. I still think tonewood is (mostly) fake but those convos are happening
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May 21, 2024 00:55
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I will be an annoying idiot and repeat this forever but the best tonewood is masonite Danelectro/Airline/etc forever Korea and New Jersey best countries making guitars
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May 21, 2024 01:17
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I love my late 90s dano like a child and it was my #1 for like 20 years but that fucker sustains for like 0.5 seconds. The big vinyl binding holding it together has done a good job of letting it survive being bashed edge-on but the front and back chip like a son of a bitch.
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May 21, 2024 02:10
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I would be shocked if people could consistently pick out the tone woods in equally well made acoustics in a blind test honestly. I don't don't they'd be able to go "it sounds different" but I highly doubt they'd have any ability to go "well this is a cedar top and maple sides" and be right. You see this everywhere like the tests to try and identify extremely rare, old and expensive violins over other expensive but modern ones and just... Couldn't. And like with tone woods and the like people immediately tripped over themselves to find excuses. The room was at fault, the acoustics were terrible, the Strads are for halls you see. The one thing I have found remarkably true is that musicians can almost always pick out their *own* instruments blind. Because we get familiar with them, we learn them. Our own instruments that we've played a tonne will just be obvious. But picking out whether something has a cherry top while blindfolded? Good luck. Picking out whether an instrument is $12000 or $20000? Pretty much impossible to do consistently, what with laws of diminishing returns.
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May 21, 2024 02:33
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With electrics I'm betting it's all in the pickups and amplifiers. I have both a MIM fender jazz bass and a made in america professional pro II or whatever the gently caress fender jazz bass. Both sound the same played low in a Rumble 40 Bass amp so as to not piss off the neighbors. But crank the volume or put them on a bigger, better, more expensive bass rig and they sound different.
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May 21, 2024 13:54
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All I know is I have an electric guitar that sounds and feels amazing un-amplified. And it’s not a PRS.
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May 21, 2024 15:33
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danelectros and rickenbackers are TRASH
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May 21, 2024 21:35
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What are the bands with the tackiest guitars? Im talking overall, like bands who colour-coordinate and all play really ugly DanOs or something. I know theyre out there but cant think of any.
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May 21, 2024 21:53
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Mister Speaker posted:What are the bands with the tackiest guitars? Im talking overall, like bands who colour-coordinate and all play really ugly DanOs or something. I know theyre out there but cant think of any. Stryper ZZ Top (even if it wraps around back to cool) pretty sure Nelson had at least a video meeting that criteria Poison
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May 21, 2024 22:19
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Los Straitjackets were pretty cheeseball when they had the matching DiPintos.
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May 21, 2024 22:56
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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:danelectros and rickenbackers are TRASH Rickenbackers are loving awesome as long as you don't want to play songs on them that aren't written on rickenbackers.
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May 21, 2024 23:20
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Kingo Ligma posted:Rickenbackers are loving awesome as long as you don't want to play songs on them that aren't written on rickenbackers. Dunno what it's like these days, but I used to love going on the Rickenbacker forums/worship cult and reading how Ricks are better than anything. Clapton should have played a Rick. Ricks can play any style of music. Fendrs and Gibsns are mass-produced junk, and Rickys are true artistry. And so on
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May 22, 2024 00:27
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Chrpno posted:Dunno what it's like these days, but I used to love going on the Rickenbacker forums/worship cult and reading how Ricks are better than anything. Clapton should have played a Rick. Ricks can play any style of music. Fendrs and Gibsns are mass-produced junk, and Rickys are true artistry. And so on My first good guitar was a Rick, I still have it, still love it, never, ever gig with it because I can play the stuff I wrote on it on anything else but absolutely not vice versa. It was wild getting a bog standard mexi Strat and feeling like I turned into Steve Vai overnight.
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May 22, 2024 01:39
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Ricks are conceptually cool, they look and sound awesome, and they are immediate turn off guitars the second I touch one, it's almost like some kind of touch aversion like microfiber on dry skin or chewing tin foil.
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May 23, 2024 01:35
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I wish I could decouple “cool as gently caress” from “Gibson” in my mind but my childhood heroes played em and I know that’s why I’m subconsciously pulled to them. Maybe with therapy I’ll embrace Strandberg or Kiesel. Edit: the flip side of this is I never saw anyone cool play a Strat when I was a kid they were all huge fuckin goobers so I unfairly malign the Strat.
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May 23, 2024 01:59
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When they finally figure out guitar holograms tech, I’m downloading a bunch of rickenbacker skins so i can play a rick while playing something that doesn’t feel like a rick.
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May 23, 2024 02:48
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Queen-Of-Hearts posted:When they finally figure out guitar holograms tech, I’m downloading a bunch of rickenbacker skins so i can play a rick while playing something that doesn’t feel like a rick. I just want one with a boring rear end Fender bolt on neck on it. Maybe a starcaster headstock for wank factor.
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May 23, 2024 03:05
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the stupid music poo poo I'm thinking about today is my trip to guitar center a couple nights ago i am not good at synths, though I'd like to learn similarly, I'm not great at keyboards. see above but they had one of the new oberheims on display and i love that sound so i push a key extremely atonal play a simple triad even worse well, i figure, someone's gone and twiddled all the knobs, probably detuned the VCOs out of unison with each other? i imagine that's a thing that can happen? the problem is that i don't particularly understand all the knobs, and while at no point did i make it worse, it also at no point got better - even when i tried just going back to the presets, something was still off. i know I've got a bit of a tin ear, but it was out there. I'm standing there, just trying to put the knobs back in their detents to get a sound that isn't weirdly upsetting one of the stupidest three-to-four minute spans of my life. absolutely embarrassing. thankfully i had the volume output fairly low, so i wasn't blasting the place with uncomfortable space noise
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May 23, 2024 03:29
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hexwren posted:one of the stupidest three-to-four minute spans of my life. absolutely embarrassing. thankfully i had the volume output fairly low, so i wasn't blasting the place with uncomfortable space noise This would be so much funnier. It being super loud. I’m now thinking of Alan Partridge doing this
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May 23, 2024 04:27
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Uncomfortable space noise is too good for this thread
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May 23, 2024 04:33
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hexwren posted:the stupid music poo poo I'm thinking about today is my trip to guitar center a couple nights ago Love to hear it, the thing about knobsynths is that once you have a decent sound, there's a whole array of knobs and sliders that will wreck that sound, put it out of tune or turn it off and you'll be there for the next hour trying to get it back. I did the same thing on my first encounter with a Juno 106 (which is really quite basic compared to most, but I'd grew up with 80's pushbutton keyboards) and I made such a mess of it that the shop guy thought it was broken and I got it for cheap. Score!
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Chrpno posted:Love to hear it, the thing about knobsynths is that once you have a decent sound, there's a whole array of knobs and sliders that will wreck that sound, put it out of tune or turn it off and you'll be there for the next hour trying to get it back. I did the same thing on my first encounter with a Juno 106 (which is really quite basic compared to most, but I'd grew up with 80's pushbutton keyboards) and I made such a mess of it that the shop guy thought it was broken and I got it for cheap. Score! brb gonna try this out at the moog store
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