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I picked up a 4-5" foxface for my 90 gallon reef tank this weekend. It's been doing a lot of glass surfing and I'm pretty sure it now has ich. I'm afraid that pulling it to treat it with copper would only stress it further, and it would just get ich again once it went back in. I'm pretty sure the best course of action is to keep trying to feed, keep the pumps low, and my fingers crossed, but if anyone has any suggestions I'd love to hear them. I'll be really sad if I lose it, it's a beautiful fish. I'm really tempted to call the guy I bought it from and see if he'll take it back.
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Buy a new heater, it’s speeds the lifecycle up or something, I forget. Only time I ever had a problem with it is when my old heater was dying.
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Jul 6, 2021 07:20
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I doubt it works at all for marine, but freshwater ich stops reproducing at 85* and dies at 86*F. I just don't know if marine fish can handle that temperature. Pretty sure a reef will die.
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Jul 6, 2021 13:52
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Cowslips Warren posted:I doubt it works at all for marine, but freshwater ich stops reproducing at 85* and dies at 86*F. I just don't know if marine fish can handle that temperature. Pretty sure a reef will die. you’ll definitely stress a bunch of your corals that way
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Jul 6, 2021 14:08
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Can anyone ID what species this is? I don't think it's a Neo but I am not sure. Store had em as 'Dark Blue Shrimp', and their parameters are identical to our home tank, so we picked up four. So far they're doing great.
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Jul 6, 2021 17:37
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N17R4M posted:Can anyone ID what species this is? I don't think it's a Neo but I am not sure. Store had em as 'Dark Blue Shrimp', and their parameters are identical to our home tank, so we picked up four. Low grade Blue Rili. I would not cull it but if i ever get pics of my Neo's you're all going to be "you can do so much better."
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Jul 6, 2021 17:42
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I hosed this sorry hope it works lol drunk posting in PI ftw
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Jul 6, 2021 17:45
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Desert Bus posted:I hosed this sorry hope it works lol drunk posting in PI ftw TRIPLE POSTING that's not a lovely Blue Rili it's a lovely Carbon Blue Rili
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Jul 6, 2021 17:48
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Desert Bus posted:TRIPLE POSTING that's not a lovely Blue Rili it's a lovely Carbon Blue Rili I don't know why you gotta call it lovely. It's a nice looking shrimp. I doubt he dropped big money on it or is hoping to line breed it. But yeah, the vast majority of colorful shrimp you're going to find in a pet store, especially if it's just being sold rather generically as "[color] shrimp" is going to be a Neocaridina.
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Jul 6, 2021 20:34
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ChickenMedium posted:I don't know why you gotta call it lovely. It's a nice looking shrimp. I doubt he dropped big money on it or is hoping to line breed it. I am personally fond of wild types to be honest, rather then pure colours most people seem to (understandably) want from ornamental shrimp. Have a few babies now that should grow up a very light green with a sort of tiger stripe. :3 Wonder what the addition of these blues will result in. The reason I was unsure was that the eyes seem smaller and bodies a bit squatter then the other Neocaradinas we have. Caradinas are also somewhat popular locally, and in many cases priced around the same 2-4 Euro$.
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Jul 6, 2021 20:46
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I need a magnifying glass for all these shrimps
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Jul 6, 2021 23:27
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ChickenMedium posted:I don't know why you gotta call it lovely. It's a nice looking shrimp. I doubt he dropped big money on it or is hoping to line breed it. Sorry for being an rear end it was not intentional I was just accurately grading it. I don't do grades other than wild/lovely/good for Neo's. I'm not that hardcore.
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Jul 7, 2021 00:56
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Love my mutt neocaridinas. Most turn out clear/brown, and the occasional one shows vibrant red or intense blue.
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Jul 7, 2021 03:38
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Ugh it's been so hot here my Bettas tank went up to 87°F I just put in a small frozen bottle of water to cool it down. Are there any better cheep ways to cool down a 5g aquarium? Anyway the Betta Lugosi is having a fun time investigating it.
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Jul 7, 2021 14:41
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nunsexmonkrock posted:Ugh it's been so hot here my Bettas tank went up to 87°F I just put in a small frozen bottle of water to cool it down. Are there any better cheep ways to cool down a 5g aquarium? you got A/C? you got a room with A/C?
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Jul 7, 2021 14:52
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Point a fan across the surface to get some evap cooling going. Won't get you down from 87 on its own but will help. Other than that ice bottles, and water changes with colder water are all you can do unless you wanna drop some $$$ on a chiller.
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Jul 7, 2021 15:07
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There is an ac in the room but it's a row home and the stairs to the basement is open so most of the cold air just goes down there So far the frozen 8oz water bottle worked and fishie seems happy. I just have to remove it soon because now I think he can see his reflection because he is flaring at it.
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Jul 7, 2021 15:42
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I'm surprised that doesn't change the temp too fast even for a Betta. My amanos have survived the BC heat wave despite tank temps getting up to 86F at some points despite AC on max power in the room. Normally fluctuates 72-80F. They don't really seem bothered at all, normal behavior.
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Jul 7, 2021 16:11
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I was worried about that too it the fact that when he sees me come near he keeps swimmimg to the front and the top expecting food so he is acting more normal now than when his tank was hot. He seemed a bit lethargic before.
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Jul 7, 2021 16:53
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nunsexmonkrock posted:I was worried about that too it the fact that when he sees me come near he keeps swimmimg to the front and the top expecting food so he is acting more normal now than when his tank was hot. He seemed a bit lethargic before. Nice. When I had a Betta and no heater I noticed some lethargy/clamping until I added the heater, but that was in the winter.
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Jul 7, 2021 17:06
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ickna posted:Love my mutt neocaridinas. Most turn out clear/brown, and the occasional one shows vibrant red or intense blue. I'm just letting my 3 year old pick the shrimp. The next batch will be "yellow lobsters", aka neon yellow neocaridinas. Maybe some bloody mary's after that. A shame nobody seems to sell red crystal shrimp online larger than half an inch. Our LFS doesn't have much variety at all and what they do have is all neocaridinas (and not the most brilliant colors). I got some Red Crystal Shrimp online that look great, but they were like 1/4 inch long which was just small enough to fit in fish mouths. The first week I saw two of them buy it by swimming up to the top of the tank near the front, which seems to be the one way to get the redbelly dace to go after them. So while half of them are still around and sticking to cover along with the one little red cherry shrimp (who is now almost as big as they are), I feel pretty bad about adding any more at that size. At least it seems like a few places online sell neocaridinas at 1/2-3/4 inches, which seems like pretty safe size for my tank.
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Jul 7, 2021 21:58
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I got tons of blue velvet and yellow goldenbacks. Shrimp are fuckin awesome. I always get so excited whenever they get berried. It's always weird when they throw an oddball color out though. I get the occasional green from my blues. Im gettin in some orange eye blue tiger shrimp this week. I hope I can keep em alive and breed em up. Here in hawaii orange eyes are super rare and they usually run 15 a pop. Im grabbin the load as a part of a deal for a fully stocked planted 55g and stand for 300 bucks. I just saw this today and I have no idea wtf I am going to do..... https://www.instagram.com/reel/CRCt_WUHQif/?utm_medium=copy_link I hope I can keep these alive. And I hope they're as purple as the parents. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CQDWRsunum6/?utm_medium=copy_link Any advice? Bonus : update on Ganesh...he gettin biiiiiiig https://www.instagram.com/reel/CQvaCKonfmx/?utm_medium=copy_link
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pepperchomp posted:I got tons of blue velvet and yellow goldenbacks. Shrimp are fuckin awesome. I always get so excited whenever they get berried. It's always weird when they throw an oddball color out though. I get the occasional green from my blues. Im gettin in some orange eye blue tiger shrimp this week. I hope I can keep em alive and breed em up. Here in hawaii orange eyes are super rare and they usually run 15 a pop. Im grabbin the load as a part of a deal for a fully stocked planted 55g and stand for 300 bucks. I'm picking up some yellow goldenbacks for my next shrimp batch. Those look great and should fit the Yellow Lobster request.
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Jul 8, 2021 13:47
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VelociBacon posted:Nice. When I had a Betta and no heater I noticed some lethargy/clamping until I added the heater, but that was in the winter. I got him in winter but I made sure to have a heater for him My only plan for heat was a frozen 8oz water bottle though 
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So a few weeks ago I decided to start revitalizing my 20g long community tank. It's been up for years and had 2 9+ year old clown plecos, 5 neons, and 5 panda corys. I setup the QT and added 5 neon tetras from my LFS, and 4 otos from PetCo. The neons were in QT for about 10 days, the otos for 7. Other than 1 of the otos dying overnight the first day, there were no issues and all looked healthy and were eating and acting normal. A couple days ago I added them to the display tank. Yesterday 1 neon and the 2 clown plecos were dead. This morning there were 3 dead pandas and 5 dead neons. Ammonia and Nitrite 0,temperature stable, no obvious signs of disease. 
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I would blame the Otto's, they are notorious for dying and probably tookothers with them. I was thinking about getting a couple and decided no. What are you using to test the water? If they are the strip things they basically are all junk and can't be trusted I like the API freshwater master test kit that uses the tubes and the drops.
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Jul 8, 2021 19:10
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Never trust a Neon: https://www.thesprucepets.com/neon-tetra-disease-1378484
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Jul 8, 2021 19:26
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Another dead panda since my last post. I've been keeping fish on and off since around 1990. Never had a mortality event like this.
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Jul 8, 2021 19:31
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Warbadger posted:I'm just letting my 3 year old pick the shrimp. The next batch will be "yellow lobsters", aka neon yellow neocaridinas. Maybe some bloody mary's after that. I don't think I've ever seen anyone keep CRS with fish. In general shrimp and fish are a difficult mix. We have 4 Clown Kilis and a stunted Minnow in our tank (he was too cute to leave in the store), since they are too small to do anything to shrimp.
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Another dead neon. So in the last 48 hours: 2 of 2 clown plecos dead 9 of 10 neon tetras 4 of 5 corydoras pandas  E: I'm going to have to let the survivors (if any) live out their days as a leper colony or euthanize them, aren't I? 
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Jul 8, 2021 20:19
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Another dead neon. Wow, I'm sorry for all your losses. I haven't been keeping fish nearly as long, but something like that would be really frustrating. Could something have gotten into the tank? Soap/lotion/hand sanitizer? I can't imagine QT fish could be carrying an illness that would suddenly wipe out everything around them.
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nunsexmonkrock posted:I would blame the Otto's, they are notorious for dying and probably tookothers with them. That's the crazy thing, the Otto's look fine! All 4 of them are still alive. For testing I use API kits. Schwack posted:Wow, I'm sorry for all your losses. I haven't been keeping fish nearly as long, but something like that would be really frustrating. Could something have gotten into the tank? Soap/lotion/hand sanitizer? I can't imagine QT fish could be carrying an illness that would suddenly wipe out everything around them. I have 1 other FW tank and 2 saltwater tanks and they are all fine, so I don't think it could be soap/lotion or hand sanitizer related. I did top off evaporation the other day, was about 1.5 gallons out of 20. I'm 99% sure I didn't forget to add water conditioner, but even if I had, would that 2 gallons of chlorinated tap water out of 20 be fatal?
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VelociBacon posted:I'm surprised that doesn't change the temp too fast even for a Betta. Right on, everything here seems peachy too, apart from a single lavender plant. Are there any other BC goon in this thread? And how many hundreds of guppies should I send y'all? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi85wyrAHbw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVfrp1Ja0hA I was warned, but I'm still kind of surprised at how prolific these awesome little critters are. I've also been happy to find new pond snail friends. They swim on their backs, and apparently eat up all the duckweed!
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:That's the crazy thing, the Otto's look fine! All 4 of them are still alive. For testing I use API kits. I've forgotten to dechlorinate during WC before and it had no ill effect, other than causing me to panic. I've heard of some municipalities occasionally increasing chlorine concentrations seasonally, any chance of something like that?
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There isn't a hell of a lot that kills that quickly, and for otos to be spared over the other fish here's how I see it: either it's bacteria they're carrying that they're immune to, or it's something the neons had and shed which went to the bottom hitting all the catfish except for the otos. Neither sounds particularly plausible, but there's no real reason for otos to survive a water chemistry problem that takes out the other catfish (they all have similar tolerances and can sip air if necessary) or for it to be an oxygen problem (sparing the otos because they are small thus it should spare the neons too). I'd imagine catfish with gill damage from chlorine would survive much longer. Actually now that I think about it, the first neon to fall would have been at least tasted by any of the bottom dwelling catfish but ignored by the aufwuchs eating otos. So I would stick with blaming the neons vs any irregularity in water chemistry. Having a plague tank is the worst feeling, you can't see or test for if the problem is still around without using low value test fish to see if they survive. I feel like I don't trust quarantine any more unless it's 3-6 weeks long.
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N17R4M posted:I don't think I've ever seen anyone keep CRS with fish. I've been happily surprised at just how little the fish I've got in there care about the shrimp aside from that specific circumstance. The RCS came in just tiny enough that they're bite size for the biggest dace in there, even at half an inch they'll be much too big to gobble up and I haven't lost any of them in that size range so far! The red cherry shrimp are still shy and stick to the wood/rock covered areas, but have all survived - even the one hatched in the tank. The amanos just don't care about the fish anymore. They're getting big and march around the tank like they own the place. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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Desert Bus posted:Never NEVER trust a Neon I'm looking for a new fish to breed... Do you think there's a market for neons which are well bred and healthy? They're such gorgeous fish, it seems almost criminal that the quality is so terrible
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I'm looking for a new fish to breed... Do you think there's a market for neons which are well bred and healthy? Neons are a little difficult to breed. Gotta trick em using ro water or rain water. Something softer than what you got established in the tank theyre in. U trick em by pouring in the water makin em think it rained. They usually breed early morning when the lights come on. Watch for them to "dance" over thick bushes of plants or moss. I get mine to breed but the babies are so small they need like infusoria or some poo poo. Plus my betta will never let the eggs hatch lately. He decided they are amazing snacks. This same tactic is good for rasbroas as well and cpds. But keeping the eggs and babies alive is the hardest part. Also regarding tank crashes: I just had my 20 gallon crash cause my large gourami decided out of nowhere to terrorize everyone and stress deaths started happening, at least thats what I'm guessing since my water parameters were g. Lost 10 tetras, a yoyo, a platy and 4 corys. Once the first 2 tetras died everything else just started goin with them. Every other day I lost a fish or 2. I know how it is losing a load of fish all at once. Im sorry bud. Just try to keep observing and learning I guess. Also you really put a scare into me. I quarantine my fish for about 5 to 7 days before puttin em in. Now I feel like I should be waiting a lot longer..... Edit: are mystery snail eggs supposed to be rock hard? I moved mine from my tank lid to an incubator and they were rock hard. I feel like I just killed my first clutch by letting em hang out on my lid for 1 day. They were so soft yesterday I didn't wanna touch em. pepperchomp fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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pepperchomp posted:Neons are a little difficult to breed. Gotta trick em using ro water or rain water. Something softer than what you got established in the tank theyre in. U trick em by pouring in the water makin em think it rained. They usually breed early morning when the lights come on. Watch for them to "dance" over thick bushes of plants or moss. I get mine to breed but the babies are so small they need like infusoria or some poo poo. Plus my betta will never let the eggs hatch lately. He decided they are amazing snacks. This same tactic is good for rasbroas as well and cpds. But keeping the eggs and babies alive is the hardest part. I understand that part. I've had limited success with glowlight tetra, and I'm not afraid of dedicating tanks to it or spending a lot of time. My real concern is doing it and then not having someone to sell fish to. I can sell CPDs for $3-4/fish pretty easily. I think with neons I'd either just be giving them away or getting <$1/fish
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