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mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Morbus posted:

But have they just not built any since? And if they have, it would surely be cheaper, lighter, and an improvement to pop in a modern sensor.

Cooled IR sensors are a common thing across multiple nations� militaries when it comes to fire and forget missiles (command guided missiles work differently).

Igla, Javelin, R-73, AIM-9, etc, all use gas cooling to attain sensitivity required not just to lock a target but to lock targets in a wide variety of conditions and have the sensitivity required for rejecting countermeasures and �noise� in the picture.

They need to be a lot more sensitive and see a broader spectrum than a basic night vision camera or scope due to the type of targets they�re striking, ranges involved, countermeasures/smoke, etc. Their specific requirement of self-guidance plus broadband IR plus working well enough when countermeasures or some level of obscurant is possible led to a need for sensitive sensors.

The requirement is less noticeable in systems mounted on vehicles or large missiles, because they can supply cooling externally or internally rather than requiring a soldier to activate a miniaturized cooling and battery pack.

With a laser beamrider or command guided missile like a wire-guided anti-tank round, the human eye and brain looking through the optic is doing a lot of the image processing to account for lead, countermeasures, smoke, stray hot objects, or account for signature reduction measures.

With laser guidance (not beam riding) a mix of human plus a targeting system keep on target (Hellfire, Krasnopol, LGB, etc).

Most countries aren�t keen to develop a new type of sensor, take apart their existing missile stockpiles, and change the guidance logic to boot just to get rid of BCUs or inert gas systems in their aircraft, ships, or air defense vehicles. We�ve seen some movement to CCD guidance that is small enough and hardened enough for use in military weapons for new builds. A lot of those are more dual-seeker rather than depending purely on abandoning IR seekers.

mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 02:28 on May 18, 2024

# ? May 18, 2024 02:25

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 06:49

Karach: May 23, 2003; no war but class war

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

I wanted to be a historian or theologian but those aren't viable career paths in today's academy.

e: gauche

you just need to time your Chrystia Freeland dirt-digging book for her inevitable rise to PM, and then you'll become a darling of the right, with all the money and media clout that entails

# ? May 18, 2024 02:30

CN CREW-VESSEL: Feb 1, 2024; 敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

Karach posted:

you just need to time your Chrystia Freeland dirt-digging book for her inevitable rise to PM, and then you'll become a darling of the right, with all the money and media clout that entails

If there's one person that I think would have people killed, it's the honourable member from CSIS.

# ? May 18, 2024 03:04

lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

Danann posted:

The Yang Wen-li career path huh.

Vo Nguyen Giap if anime comparisons fly over the head.

ff you should watch legend of the galactic heroes, its badass. space battles involving thousands of ships.

# ? May 18, 2024 04:40

Flournival Dixon: Jan 29, 2024

I usually would never recommend anime to like a thinking adult with a real job (kind of) but FF might genuinely like legend of galactic heroes a lot.

# ? May 18, 2024 05:06

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Flournival Dixon posted:

I usually would never recommend anime to like a thinking adult with a real job (kind of) but FF might genuinely like legend of galactic heroes a lot.

mila kunis posted:

1000% this is the most FF anime ever made

mila kunis posted:

liberal democracy gets its poo poo kicked in while their main army guy is a intellectual helpless in the face of materialism and its internal contradictions

# ? May 18, 2024 05:14

fizziester: Dec 21, 2023

Good news for Ukraine:

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-progress-made-on-artillery-shortage/

Zelensky: No reports of artillery shortages for first time in full-scale war
May 17, 2024 11:48 AM
2 min read

For the first time since the launch of Russia's full-scale invasion, no Ukrainian brigades have reported a lack of artillery shells, President Volodymyr Zelensky told reporters on May 16.

"And this has been happening for the past two months," he said, but added: "Everyone still has a lot of work to do."

Over the winter months, Ukraine's Armed Forces suffered a critical shortage of artillery shells, in large part due to delays in U.S. military aid.

In January, Defense Minister Rustem Umerov said Ukraine was unable to fire more than 2,000 shells per day, around a third of Russia's average daily shell usage.

A Czech-led initiative to buy artillery shells for Ukraine identified 500,000 155 mm shells and 300,000 122 mm shells outside Europe that could be bought and sent to Ukraine after the necessary funds were allocated to the initiative.

Speaking on May 16, Zelensky said even before the initiative began, progress had been made on procuring artillery shells.

"For the first time during the war, none of the brigades complained that there were no artillery shells," he added.

Multiple countries, including Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Poland, Denmark, and Slovenia, have since contributed funds to the Czech initiative, which may result in the delivery of 1.5 million rounds to Kyiv.

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Bad news for the credibility of Zelensky:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/05/world/europe/ukraine-ammunition-shells-russia.html

Dwindling Ammunition Stocks Pose Grave Threat to Ukraine
By Andrew E. Kramer
April 5, 2024

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-chasiv-yar-invasion-war/32902927.html

Ukraine's Three-Front War: Advancing Russians, Depleted Artillery, Exhausted Troops
By Mike Eckel
April 12, 2024 15:18 GMT

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-war-m777-howitzer-punishes-russian-advance/32915306.html

A Rare Glimpse Into Ukrainian Gunners Battling Both Russian Forces And A Shortage Of Shells
By Serhiy Nuzhnenko and RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service
April 22, 2024 10:32 GMT

# ? May 18, 2024 05:16

BearsBearsBears: Aug 4, 2022

Looks like Ukraine's brigades have finally learned that reporting artillery shortages doesn't do anything.

# ? May 18, 2024 05:22

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

can't have a shell shortage if you don't have guns to fire them from

# ? May 18, 2024 05:26

CN CREW-VESSEL: Feb 1, 2024; 敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

Flournival Dixon posted:

real job (kind of)

You know, the academic wing of Prussian general staff got to make stuff about Athens, Thebes and Sparta all day.

It�s like that redditor thing, �born too late for sailing ships, too early for starships�, but instead it�s Peter Brown developing the discipline of Late Antiquity exactly before both the academy and military science were destroyed by neoliberal economics and ideology. By the time he was my age, Mortimer Wheeler had the Military Cross and licence to plunder half of the major dig sites of the Near East.

It�s not just me. Imagine all of the railroad timetables* the computer touchers here might have been employed drafting up. There were very well paid professionals who just crunched the numbers for fodder consumption or the provisioning of distant coaling stations for cruisers.

*1871-1918, not 1942-45.

CN CREW-VESSEL has issued a correction as of 05:33 on May 18, 2024

# ? May 18, 2024 05:28

super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

Officer Sandvich posted:

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1791105609342783556

# ? May 18, 2024 05:29

Zeppelin Insanity: Oct 28, 2009; Wahnsinn
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CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

RUSI, RAND and especially ISW aren't getting paid to do analysis, they're getting paid to produce propaganda.

The problem is that by outsourcing the actual analysis government uses to those same think tanks, and cutouts like Bellingcat, it's created a feedback loop since Feb 2022.

Remember when either RUSI or ISW posted a whole article about how we have to focus on "fictional narratives" because if we look at reality, Ukraine will lose, and we need them to win, so the only way to do that is to focus on a fantasy version of events to make it come true?

The Secret as applied to warfare. Think and Grow Victorious. A Triumph, caused by Will, perhaps.

Also remember when they went from "How could we have been overestimated Russia all these decades? It's clear they suck lol we were so stupid to think they have a real military" to "How could we have thought the war would be won by Ukraine within a few months? How could we be so wrong? Well it is because we only look at pro-Ukraine twitter and base all of our analysis on that"

# ? May 18, 2024 05:33

CN CREW-VESSEL: Feb 1, 2024; 敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

They shouldn�t have both tried to use all of the public facing stuff, even Jane�s, for propaganda and cut costs, privatized and outsourced so that they relied on it too.

There�s a reason the economic reporting in the Financial Times is relatively sober and straightforward, they know people rely on it. They put out the economic propaganda in USA Today, MSNBC and FOX, let Will Stancil do his thing, but still make sure if you have money on the line you know we�re in serious recession.

# ? May 18, 2024 05:38

The Protagonist: Jun 29, 2009; The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

One wonders if a system of segregated factuality for haves and have-nots leads to successful societal collaborative outcomes

# ? May 18, 2024 05:40

Flournival Dixon: Jan 29, 2024

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

You know, the academic wing of Prussian general staff got to make stuff about Athens, Thebes and Sparta all day.

It�s like that redditor thing, �born too late for sailing ships, too early for starships�, but instead it�s Peter Brown developing the discipline of Late Antiquity exactly before both the academy and military science were destroyed by neoliberal economics and ideology. By the time he was my age, Mortimer Wheeler had the Military Cross and licence to plunder half of the major dig sites of the Near East.

It�s not just me. Imagine all of the railroad timetables* the computer touchers here might have been employed drafting up. There were very well paid professionals who just crunched the numbers for fodder consumption or the provisioning of distant coaling stations for cruisers.

*1871-1918, not 1942-45.

this is why I say "kind of"

i think your job is pretty legitimate but you're stuck working for institutions and structures of power that make it... harder to appreciate your hard work

# ? May 18, 2024 05:42

CN CREW-VESSEL: Feb 1, 2024; 敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

It's funny seeing bullshit jobs and other neoliberal features spread to core structures required to maintain the empire.

The F-35 DRM embodies the whole thing.

# ? May 18, 2024 06:16

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

fizziester posted:

Good news for Ukraine:

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-progress-made-on-artillery-shortage/

Zelensky: No reports of artillery shortages for first time in full-scale war
May 17, 2024 11:48 AM
2 min read

_____________________________________________________________________________

Bad news for the credibility of Zelensky:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/05/world/europe/ukraine-ammunition-shells-russia.html

Dwindling Ammunition Stocks Pose Grave Threat to Ukraine
By Andrew E. Kramer
April 5, 2024

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-chasiv-yar-invasion-war/32902927.html

Ukraine's Three-Front War: Advancing Russians, Depleted Artillery, Exhausted Troops
By Mike Eckel
April 12, 2024 15:18 GMT

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-war-m777-howitzer-punishes-russian-advance/32915306.html

A Rare Glimpse Into Ukrainian Gunners Battling Both Russian Forces And A Shortage Of Shells
By Serhiy Nuzhnenko and RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service
April 22, 2024 10:32 GMT

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/internati..._6671749_4.html

Ukrainian soldiers in Donbas are fed up waiting for Western munitions

Neither the shells included in the 'Czech plan' announced this winter, nor those tied to US aid approved at the end of April, have reached the front line, undermining the morale of Ukrainian troops.

quote:

At the end of a surprise visit to Kyiv on Tuesday, May 14, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, dressed in jeans and toting a guitar, performed Neil Young's Rockin' in the Free World in a bar in the Ukrainian capital. This was presumably a very personal attempt to boost the morale of the Ukrainian population, currently being shaken by a new Russian ground offensive in the Kharkiv region.

Earlier in the day, at this point dressed in a dark suit and neatly knotted tie, the US diplomat promised Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky (dressed in his customary military fatigues), that the $60 million (�55 million) in US military aid on its way to his country would make a "real difference" on the battlefield.

Clearly concerned, the Ukrainian head of state urged the West to "speed up arms deliveries. Too much time is currently elapsing between the announcement of [aid] packages and the actual arrival of weapons on the front line".

On the Donbas front, the impact of these political statements is minimal, drowned out by the din of Russian shells, missiles and bombs. Pinned down in a defensive position and desperately short of ammunition, Ukrainian soldiers fire only the bare minimum to repel attacks. The "firing ratio" � the number of shots exchanged across the front in military jargon � has never been so unfavorable to the Ukrainians, who fire an average of 12 times fewer explosive projectiles (shells, missiles, rockets and bombs) than their Russian invaders.

Le Monde interviewed soldiers from five different brigades deployed on the Donbas front, where the fiercest fighting is taking place. All confirmed that neither the munitions linked to the "Czech plan" � 800,000 rounds announced this winter � nor those linked to the US aid package voted on April 20 had reached them. "We read the news, but we're realistic. We only rely on what we actually have on hand," explained Maksym (who gave only his first name, like the other people interviewed), 28 and a senior sergeant in the 59th brigade.

Leaning on a crutch, he wistfully watched a training session of some 15 men from his brigade, not far from Pokrovsk, 20 kilometers from the front. Hidden under the treetops, recruits fired their assault rifles and launched grenades. "We're not short of ammunition for the firearms," continued the non-commissioned officer. "But we're short of everything else: drones, anti-drone jammers, shells, missiles... And what we're seeing is that deliveries continue to decline and are becoming increasingly erratic. They only cover the bare minimum." He recounted how his right leg suffered multiple fractures following the explosion of a grenade dropped by an enemy drone. Like many wounded soldiers, he became an instructor.

"We're suffering heavy losses due to the lack of drones and artillery fire support," added his subordinate, Oleksandr Belyaev, 30. This section leader also became an instructor after a serious injury in which shrapnel tore up his knee. "We're also losing a lot of vehicles to enemy FPV [drones]; we absolutely need jammers. My battalion lost its last scrambler two days ago."

In another grove near Bakhmut, where a tank company of the 28th brigade is stationed, the complaints are the same. "For months now, the shortage of shells has been reducing our effectiveness," complained Viktor, 20, a pilot and mechanic on a T-64 tank. "We're also short of fuel, and we only have one anti-drone jammer for the whole company," which consists of 10 T-64 tanks. "We need at least one jammer for each pair of tanks."

"We're holed up here because the sky is dominated by the enemy," added Serhiy, 36, a tank commander. "Our anti-aircraft defense is outdated and has run out of ammunition too. All we can see are their planes." A few minutes later, as if to confirm these words, a white streak appeared high in the azure sky � the trail of a Russian bomber that had just dropped a salvo of guided glide bombs.

Even worse off is the so-called "saturation artillery" (multiple rocket launchers). "I haven't fired a single full salvo [40 rockets] in the year and a half I've been deployed in Donbas," said Arthur, 24, commander of a BM-21 combat vehicle in the 59th brigade near Pokrovsk. "I fire five rockets at most, but that's rare. Most of the time, it's just one rocket, to have a psychological effect on an enemy infantry group preparing to attack," explained the former agricultural student.

"Not being able to fulfill our mission is undermining morale. If we had enough rockets, the front line would be different," he said. What he does know for sure is that the situation is unlikely to improve. No one is making BM-21 rockets anymore. "We'd have to get hold of a North Korean stockpile," said the gunner, without the slightest hint of irony.

The Ukrainian army is struggling to counter the breaches being made by the opportunistic Russian invaders. The price of delayed ammunition deliveries is being paid with a non-renewable resource: Ukrainian soldiers' lives. It's a situation that doesn't have much to do with Rockin' in the Free World.

# ? May 18, 2024 06:43

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_2682

Commission welcomes new sanctions against disinformation and war propaganda

quote:

The Commission welcomes the Council decision to suspend the broadcasting activities of four more media outlets (Voice of Europe, RIA Novosti, Izvestia and Rossiyskaya Gazeta) in the EU or directed at the EU, in view of their role supporting and justifying Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine.

Russia has engaged in continuous and concerted propaganda as well as information manipulation actions targeted at civil society in the EU and neighbouring countries, gravely distorting and manipulating facts. These propaganda actions have been channelled through a number of media outlets under the permanent direct or indirect control of the leadership of the Russian Federation. Such actions constitute a significant and direct threat to the Union's public order and security.

The risk to our democratic societies � and the integrity of the upcoming European as well as national elections � has intensified. Today's measures are a forceful response to that.

The sanctions do not target freedom of opinion. They include specific safeguards for freedom of expression and journalistic activities. The measures do not prevent the sanctioned outlets and their staff from carrying out other activities in the Union other than broadcasting, such as research and interviews.

The measures should be maintained until the aggression against Ukraine is put to an end, and until the Russian Federation and its associated outlets cease to conduct disinformation and information manipulation actions against the EU and its Member States.

# ? May 18, 2024 06:47

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

fizziester posted:

Good news for Ukraine:

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-progress-made-on-artillery-shortage/

Zelensky: No reports of artillery shortages for first time in full-scale war
May 17, 2024 11:48 AM
2 min read

For the first time since the launch of Russia's full-scale invasion, no Ukrainian brigades have reported a lack of artillery shells, President Volodymyr Zelensky told reporters on May 16.

"And this has been happening for the past two months," he said, but added: "Everyone still has a lot of work to do."

Over the winter months, Ukraine's Armed Forces suffered a critical shortage of artillery shells, in large part due to delays in U.S. military aid.

In January, Defense Minister Rustem Umerov said Ukraine was unable to fire more than 2,000 shells per day, around a third of Russia's average daily shell usage.

A Czech-led initiative to buy artillery shells for Ukraine identified 500,000 155 mm shells and 300,000 122 mm shells outside Europe that could be bought and sent to Ukraine after the necessary funds were allocated to the initiative.

Speaking on May 16, Zelensky said even before the initiative began, progress had been made on procuring artillery shells.

"For the first time during the war, none of the brigades complained that there were no artillery shells," he added.

Multiple countries, including Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Poland, Denmark, and Slovenia, have since contributed funds to the Czech initiative, which may result in the delivery of 1.5 million rounds to Kyiv.

what on earth is his strategy here?

# ? May 18, 2024 07:13

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

fizziester posted:

A Czech-led initiative to buy artillery shells for Ukraine identified 500,000 155 mm shells and 300,000 122 mm shells outside Europe that could be bought and sent to Ukraine after the necessary funds were allocated to the initiative.

lol wasn't the czech shell procurement supposed to me 1 million?

# ? May 18, 2024 07:22

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

ah its 500,000 155 mm shells and 300,000 122 mm. math still not adding up to 1 million....

# ? May 18, 2024 07:25

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

Just change the allocation of shells per brigade to zero. Bam, shortages ended because everyone has their full allocation of ammo.

# ? May 18, 2024 07:33

Pomeroy: Apr 20, 2020; Can't post for 13 days!

BearsBearsBears posted:

Isn't the American government the bad guy in the Hunger Games, both metaphorically and literally?

Yeah, but the author realized she went too far, and in the most incredibly ham-fistedly stupid way possible, made sure to clarify at the last bit of the last book, that anyone actively organizing a centralized resistance to said government is just-as-bad (tm) if not worse.

# ? May 18, 2024 07:37

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

WoodrowSkillson posted:

This war is so god damned stupid and has killed so many people for no good reason.

Yup

# ? May 18, 2024 07:39

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

CARPATHIAN MOUNTAINS—In Ukrainian the word for victory is “peremohe,” перемога, which literally means “over-might,” or overcoming ability to make the impossible possible. It’s an inspiring and challenging idea. In Russia, the word for “victory” is pobeda, победа, which means something like “after the calamity," or "after the terrible poo poo."

Does this reveal a difference between the cultures?
Victory as a process of doing the impossible, of transformation, vs victory as just hoping the bad things go away?

One road leads to possibility, the other to bitterness. It's person who works to improve self in order to help others vs the school-shooter who blinded by misery can only destroy.

If each person can dig deep and overcome their limitations, see what mighty good can be achieved …

Ukraine is the world's best self-help book. How war can fix your brain, part 234.

# ? May 18, 2024 07:39

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

DaysBefore posted:

Life is political in the Orient

# ? May 18, 2024 07:51

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Regarde Aduck posted:

the west works on narratives

these experts aren't actually teaching anything, they're essentially actors. I'm sure behind closed doors things are very different. But if you want the easy career of doing absolutely nothing for a six figgy salery, for life, to continue then you'll stick to the narrative. The lovely state of the world is probably making people clam up even more. When times get tough people look out for number 1 and if the ships are sinking then they might as well live in comfort.

It's an open secret that billionaires are really into bunkers. People obviously sense something is up so i imagine the west is just going to get increasingly insane

It's really kind of insane that if you step back for a second and go wait, literally every single billionaire is building their own doomsday bunker right now....? and realize that's just been hypernormalized as something totally Normal in the cultural milieu. if you posted that 20 years ago that would sound like an absurdly insane conspiracy theory

at least with a megayacht or gatsby versaille mansions you can go party it up in Ibizia or Caymans with the epstein crew and maybe do some diving or parasailing and flaunt it.

# ? May 18, 2024 09:50

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Officer Sandvich posted:

quote:
No one is making BM-21 rockets anymore.

This can't be right. Pretty sure there are multiple European manufacturers.

# ? May 18, 2024 10:47

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

have any of these billionaires considered an egyptian themed doomsday bunker to complete the metaphor

# ? May 18, 2024 10:58

Egg Moron: Jul 21, 2003; the dreams of the delighting void

I�m gonna start consulting as a disinformation expert

Best non-job on the market

# ? May 18, 2024 12:06

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

the ukrainian army is going to be all medics and instructors soon

# ? May 18, 2024 12:20

Karach: May 23, 2003; no war but class war

The Protagonist posted:

One wonders if a system of segregated factuality for haves and have-nots leads to successful societal collaborative outcomes

if you like your reality, you can keep it

# ? May 18, 2024 12:47

Gresh: Jan 12, 2019

https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1791691489258455383

# ? May 18, 2024 13:14

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Gresh posted:

https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1791691489258455383

Oh nooooo who could have imagined this outcome

# ? May 18, 2024 13:18

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

not gonna lie, the more self-aware fash having a meltdown over realizing that they've completely hosed themselves is never going to get old

# ? May 18, 2024 13:23

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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this "stabbed us in the back" thing sounds very familiar

# ? May 18, 2024 13:26

Isentropy: Dec 12, 2010

Cerebral Bore posted:

not gonna lie, the more self-aware fash having a meltdown over realizing that they've completely hosed themselves is never going to get old

It will warm my heart when they come to Rexdale and start getting Canadian media fluff pieces about how there's so many n..."crime" here like they did when they got sent to the UK

# ? May 18, 2024 13:31

Sanlav: Feb 10, 2020; We'll Meet Again

Czech mate Russian's. No one can survive I O U shell anxiety. When will they be coming?

Sanlav has issued a correction as of 13:49 on May 18, 2024

# ? May 18, 2024 13:46

Pf. Hikikomoriarty: Feb 15, 2003; RO YNSHO; Slippery Tilde

Flournival Dixon posted:

this is why I say "kind of"

i think your job is pretty legitimate but you're stuck working for institutions and structures of power that make it... harder to appreciate your hard work

pretty hard to do scholarship otherwise to be honest

even if it don't work for such institutions directly your colleagues and community depend on them, definitely warps incentives

sure i wish i had a solution to this but i do not!

# ? May 18, 2024 15:04

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 06:49

CN CREW-VESSEL: Feb 1, 2024; 敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

Weka posted:

This can't be right. Pretty sure there are multiple European manufacturers.

Bulgaria makes several types.

# ? May 18, 2024 15:06

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