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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I always thought that was more to do with Obama bringing out a record number of black and latinx voters, both of whom tend to skew a bit more religious. That was bullshit. The precentage it passed by, black people had very little impact. Our demos not big enough even assuming that were true. Mormons and Evangelicals pumped money into prop 8 and they're the ones who passed it. People spent a lot of time using specifically black people as a scape goat. And like usual forgot that gay black people exist. In 2008 there was only an 8 pt difference and yes that was religious elders but it's not enough to skew the victory when you factor in the actual black population. Prop 8 won by 52.2% percent with 13,743,177 total votes. CA is 6.5% black. Even if every black person voted against it it still would have probably passed. 
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Arist posted:I'm from CT, so I don't really have much to complain about here. At least our governor is still blue.
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All this week my acid reflux kicked into over drive. Constant crippling chest pain. Shortness of breath. The works. I went to my doctor and got a once over and he said that's all I had and to take some extra Zantac and Nexium. Woke up today feeling great. No issues at all. I'm glad the election is over, and it helps that I live in VA 7 and voted that stupid gently caress Brat out of office. 
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xrunner posted:She’s a useful name for him to rile up the base. Of course he wants her. Given how many new names he seems to forget, I'm sure he's happy to have someone who's in his long-term memory. Otherwise when he's speaking off the cuff it'd be "our socialist speaker mister, um, you know who his is".
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Good morning. I did not sleep well. At least Evers somehow won, despite my lovely state still having Republican legislatures in both houses. I will be posting the new USPOL thread momentarily.
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Maybe it's because we've been relatively lucky in that our Republican governors haven't completely hosed everyone over- so the thinking is 'well they aren't all that bad....' But yes, Ohio Democratic Party hosed up huge in FitzGerald and hasn't shown signs of learning from its mistakes.
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On Terra Firma posted:All this week my acid reflux kicked into over drive. Constant crippling chest pain. Shortness of breath. The works. I went to my doctor and got a once over and he said that's all I had and to take some extra Zantac and Nexium. I'm bummed about Gillum and the Senate but otherwise I feel great. Redistricting in the 2020 census is going to go a lot better for us this time due to the pickups we got in the gubernatorial races and state legislatures, and a whole bunch of really cool ballot measures passed.
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And for those still hung up, give this a listen; it helped me on election night 2016. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS-af9Q-zvQ
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Hollismason posted:Texas and FL are not really surprising. They're still conservative. You'd think after so many years of Ted Cruz, they'd be ready for a change. So yeah, that was kinda surprising (to me) I was really hoping for Beto to win but let's be fair, for a guy who was an unknown a year ago, he did admirably well and it gives me great hope for the next time if he runs again.
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So in FL the total vote for governor was 8 million votes, compared to 5.2 million in 2014. Even with that much much higher turnout, it came down to 70,000 votes again.
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Lightning Knight posted:Good morning. I did not sleep well. At least Evers somehow won, despite my lovely state still having Republican legislatures in both houses. What helps here is that, even if Republicans hold on to the state legislature in 2020, Evers can veto any attempts at (even more) gerrymandered redistricting. The governorship is a pretty big prize to take out of this. It's not everything, but it's a big win.
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Lightning Knight posted:Good morning. I did not sleep well. At least Evers somehow won, despite my lovely state still having Republican legislatures in both houses. https://twitter.com/MaraGay/status/1060137101914750977
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Guy Goodbody posted:The only conclusion that can be drawn from progressive measures winning in states where Dems lost is that voters like left policies and don't like Democrats. Party affiliation matters more to some people than actual policies.
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Guy Goodbody posted:The only conclusion that can be drawn from progressive measures winning in states where Dems lost is that voters like left policies and don't like Democrats. Voters like left-wing policy but too many of them watch Fox News and thus are on Team Republican No Matter What is the underlying problem. The other issue is this just further highlights the need for structural voting reform. We had great candidates but they couldn't clinch a win due to structural disadvantages. The conclusion to draw may be that Democrats could potentially push left wing policy, including voting reforms, via ballot initiatives and evade the Fox News partisanship trap of candidates.
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Anyway, I woke up at 3 AM after all the doom and gloom in this thread caused me to turn everything off and go to bed at like 9:30 and the last thing I dreamt about before waking up was me fake waking up and opening Twitter to find that the House was still Republican and I had a minor meltdown. So, um, I'm real glad I'm seeing someone today I can talk to about that, and I'm real glad it wasn't quite so bad in reality.
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Agents are GO! posted:That reminds me of an idea I had, that if I could have one wish, Id make it so all of the NRA's open carry, concealed carry, whatever, all there dreams came true. Yeeeeah, I'm not sure on that. Women can be just as derp brained insane around guns as guys. Newton shooter's mom was a derp brained gun nut
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FlamingLiberal posted:So in FL the total vote for governor was 8 million votes, compared to 5.2 million in 2014. Even with that much much higher turnout, it came down to 70,000 votes again. California has about 2x the number of people as florida. Newsom won in a blowout. We do not remotely live in a democracy. Has anyone checked the individual house races to determine if this was a blue wave or the trump wave receding? Because he picked up a lot of house seats in 2016 that had no business being republican and taking those back would be a big chunk of the house gains.
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eke out posted:imagine this election but without the media devoting 24/7 coverage to racist incitement . . . Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1980 by saying, "we want to cut this". By 2008 you can't say "cut this"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like monkey man, secret muslim, immigrant caravan. You're getting so direct now [that] you're talking about scaring whites, and all these things you're talking about are totally racist things and a product of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And consciously maybe that is part of it. I'm saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that direct, and that racist, that we are doing away with the minority problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "N***** N*****", is much more direct than even the caravan thing, and a hell of a lot more direct than "states rights."
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Guy Goodbody posted:The only conclusion that can be drawn from progressive measures winning in states where Dems lost is that voters like left policies and don't like Democrats. If this pushes the Republicans to the left on more social policies I will take that as a win. There is definitely room for a Republican party that supports universal healthcare, LGBTQ rights, etc.
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mcmagic posted:Is there a more incompetent stooge than Chuck Schumer? Present company excluded?
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Arist posted:Anyway, I woke up at 3 AM after all the doom and gloom in this thread caused me to turn everything off and go to bed at like 9:30 and the last thing I dreamt about before waking up was me fake waking up and opening Twitter to find that the House was still Republican and I had a minor meltdown. Yeah first thing the wife said this morning was "The Democrats took the House by one vote" because she was misreading the NYT and . . .. ack
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GoutPatrol posted:Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1980 by saying, "we want to cut this". By 2008 you can't say "cut this"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like monkey man, secret muslim, immigrant caravan. You're getting so direct now [that] you're talking about scaring whites, and all these things you're talking about are totally racist things and a product of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And consciously maybe that is part of it. I'm saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that direct, and that racist, that we are doing away with the minority problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "N***** N*****", is much more direct than even the caravan thing, and a hell of a lot more direct than "states rights." You've been possessed by the ghost of Lee Atwater. Stay calm and call a priest.
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FlamingLiberal posted:So in FL the total vote for governor was 8 million votes, compared to 5.2 million in 2014. Even with that much much higher turnout, it came down to 70,000 votes again. When you can cheat and not get called on it you can just use straight line trends* *Might not be as joking as I would prefer to be
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Arist posted:Hope was a mistake, we took the house but now all I can feel is bummed about GA, TX, and FL. gently caress off with this garbage.
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Hahahaha ok Donnie, as soon as you hang up your phone the Chinese are tapping
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Axetrain posted:So yeah this sucks. Centrist trash (Beto) passed as leftism failed. "We" took the house, Pelosi is already discussing how we will sell off america to fascists. beto lost but in doing so helped a bunch of leftists get local office in texas ok thx
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Koalas Massacre posted:That was bullshit. The precentage it passed by, black people had very little impact. Our demos not big enough even assuming that were true. Mormons and Evangelicals pumped money into prop 8 and they're the ones who passed it. People spent a lot of time using specifically black people as a scape goat. And like usual forgot that gay black people exist. yea the 'black people gave us prop 8' is mainly a myth based around not understanding stats (and racism). Black people on the whole voted about exactly the same as white people in CA but because 'white people' is usually broken into like five categories and 'black people' are typically just 'men and women' (what with them being a minority vote and all) it looked like a more homogeneous bloc of "EW GAYS WHAT NOOOOOO". It's like how people think black communities are more homophobic because on the whole the homophobes in communities of color more willing to just say in responses to surveys and poo poo 'yea I don't want my kid to be gay' while white homophobes are better at playing the 'what nooo I'd love the sinful little human being just fine why would you even ask that' game. Actual rates of supporting vs opposing are fairly universal in American culture but you can wrangle the numbers to make a better scapegoat so the majority doesn't have to acknowledge its own failings and can instead blame, yea like mentioned, a group who if literally every single member of it voted with us we'd still likely have lost.
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Y'know a threat only really works the first time you make it, and even then if anyone gives a poo poo. If you threaten to punch us for everything we do then we are eventually going to assume you just don't have the balls, especially on something as spurious as that.
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Slowpoke! posted:If this pushes the Republicans to the left on more social policies I will take that as a win. There is definitely room for a Republican party that supports universal healthcare, LGBTQ rights, etc. Don't be silly. The GOP doesn't listen to their base. They instruct their base.
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We're counting Fight For incremental increases to $12 as left policy now?Harik posted:Has anyone checked the individual house races to determine if this was a blue wave or the trump wave receding? Because he picked up a lot of house seats in 2016 that had no business being republican and taking those back would be a big chunk of the house gains. Is the question how many of the defeated Republicans were first termers, or?
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Slowpoke! posted:If this pushes the Republicans to the left on more social policies I will take that as a win. There is definitely room for a Republican party that supports universal healthcare, LGBTQ rights, etc.
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Solkanar512 posted:gently caress off with this garbage. Some of us have to live in these shitbird states, how about you gently caress off?
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Agents are GO! posted:That reminds me of an idea I had, that if I could have one wish, Id make it so all of the NRA's open carry, concealed carry, whatever, all there dreams came true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eG0y_nb5IA
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Slowpoke! posted:If this pushes the Republicans to the left on more social policies I will take that as a win. There is definitely room for a Republican party that supports universal healthcare, LGBTQ rights, etc. Whaaaaaat are you smoking, dude Solkanar512 posted:gently caress off with this garbage. If it wasn't clear, I was talking purely on a personal level. I got too excited.
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Lightning Knight posted:Good morning. I did not sleep well. At least Evers somehow won, despite my lovely state still having Republican legislatures in both houses. So what are we going to do about the near constant “nothing matters” and “I know the Dems are going to suck” poo poo posting?
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