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Baloogan posted:noam chomsky is a traitor I truly hope this is a joke.
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Chomsky is an anti-american communist who should be exiled to venezuela, north korea, laos, cambodia lebanon or to any other country that he blindly supported. He is also a hezbollah supporter He is a holocaust denier and a denier (and was a supporter) of the genocide that happened in cambodia. He is a really bad bad man and it's a shame that he is allowed to live in the civilized world.
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Jul 9, 2015 20:50
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Baloogan posted:Chomsky is an anti-american communist who should be exiled to venezuela, north korea, laos, cambodia lebanon or to any other country that he blindly supported. He is also a hezbollah supporter
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Jul 9, 2015 21:24
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Have you met Givi or Motorola yet?
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Jul 10, 2015 05:35
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Equine Don posted:Have you met Givi or Motorola yet? To expand on that what do you think in general about all the battlefield celebrities? Like Givi or Texas. ass struggle fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 08:11
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Baloogan posted:Chomsky is an anti-american communist who should be exiled to venezuela, north korea, laos, cambodia lebanon or to any other country that he blindly supported. He is also a hezbollah supporter Your assertion that he's a Communist is rather fanciful, he's more like an Anarcho-Syndicalist. And I say this as an actual communist He never offers support of any of those states or organization; rather he points out that, in the case of Hezbollah, its supporters and members have real grievances with Israel and the West, and that nations like North Korea are excellent symbols of American hypocrisy and imperialist policies. I have no idea what you're talking about with the holocaust denialism, other than to point out that certain Israeli actions and policies have a lot in common with National Socialist policies from the 1930s. You might disagree with that; however, it is unequivocally not a denial of the holocaust. On a personal note I'd like to say the following: I support the project of Chavez (Chomsky actually doesn't fully) and try to champion socialism around the world. I am a Marxist. I am also an American. A born and raised citizen of the United States. So add me to your list of people to exile/shoot. Thanks. PS none of this makes me "anti-American." PPS nobody point out the tension between Baloogan's claims about Chomsky and the idea that people you disagree with politically should be exiled or killed. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 17:07
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I'm a commie and I can confirm that I am the worst and should be exiled/shot. Being a commie feels the best though, don't let people put you down.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:10
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Communism was banned in Ukraine and should be banned everywhere. Actually.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:26
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Paladinus posted:Communism was banned in Ukraine and should be banned everywhere. Actually. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and one gripe I have with the Ukraine. Incidentally, communists aren't banned. Denying the atrocities of the Totalitarian "Communist" government is banned, along with veneration of Russian heroes. Personally, I disagree with the last part because I like free speech; however, I kind of get that as long as you aren't counting Lenin.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:29
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ZombieLenin posted:I have no idea what you're talking about with the holocaust denialism, other than to point out that certain Israeli actions and policies have a lot in common with National Socialist policies from the 1930s. The holocaust denial thing comes from here, though.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:33
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ZombieLenin posted:Personally, I disagree with the last part because I like free speech; however, I kind of get that as long as you aren't counting Lenin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omccMp_4K8M
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Jul 10, 2015 17:33
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ZombieLenin posted:That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and one gripe I have with the Ukraine. Incidentally, communists aren't banned. Denying the atrocities of the Totalitarian "Communist" government is banned, along with veneration of Russian heroes. Have you ever noticed how defenders of communism always have to put quotation marks around "communist" when they talk about actual communist countries? It should really tell you something about the implementation of communism in the real world.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:45
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Haledjian posted:. I'm not a big Chomsky fan but I really don't see much evidence of him personally denying the holocaust. It looks like Chomsky is just really big on western ideals of free speech and this gets him into trouble
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Jul 10, 2015 17:52
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chitoryu12 posted:It should really tell you something about the implementation of communism in the real world. It's true, though. There hasn't been a communist state yet. Some called themselves that, but that's like the USA calling themselves a democracy 
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Jul 10, 2015 18:23
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as a prole marxist member of the somethingawful forums, my opinions are good & valid, they are based on real life experience
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Jul 10, 2015 18:25
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ZombieLenin posted:Immature bullshit Since you are already on society's ignore list I'm not even going to bother putting you on mine.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:02
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Also holy poo poo not everything is about you.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:04
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My favorite part of your defense of Chomsky is that you just completely ignore Cambodia. 
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Jul 10, 2015 19:05
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AceRimmer posted:My favorite part of your defense of Chomsky is that you just completely ignore Cambodia. Pol Pot did nothing wrong 
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Jul 10, 2015 23:40
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Truga posted:It's true, though. There hasn't been a communist state yet. Some called themselves that, but that's like the USA calling themselves a democracy Since there's a virtually infinite number of strains of Communism, it's better not to use that term, and rather use s specific designation that gives you a chance of not being a Marxist-Leninist or Maoist hell-hoe. In my opinion the only people who figured out a serious plan of integrating socialism on a broad consensual social platform were Tolstoy and Catholic neo-Tomist philosophers.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:43
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Wonder how many of the "real ukrainians" fighting for the separatists are there to restore the glory of USSR, and how many are just good ol' Russian fascists.
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Jul 11, 2015 05:44
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Keldoclock posted:No concern of snipers killing at 3km? I guess second world militaries are more chickenshit than I thought...
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Jul 11, 2015 05:51
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Mr Chips posted:The longest verified sniper kills are about ~2,400 metres range, and in combat zones that are higher than the highest point in Ukraine (>2000 metres elevation, which improves ballistics due to thinner air). Fascinating. I know from sport shooting that to shoot >2km with high caliber rifles and well-selected bullet and powder loads is doable with enough trial and error. I'd still be concerned about rockets and mortar if I was Horatio. Since mobility is crucial in recon roles I would probably investigate getting an armored truck or BMP to operate in or around. But with no idea of what the resource situation is, or procuration situation of course this is baseless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJNlb3L31A Here's an example of the sort of long range shooting I describe. Maybe I am giving the enemy too much credit but in a warzone I assume that if I can be seen, I can be killed.
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Jul 11, 2015 10:34
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Not so much an "Ask me about being separatist" as "Tell me I'm a monumental arseface"...
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Friendly Tumour posted:So anyway OP, if the story you tell yourself about your motivations for going to Ukraine is that you wanted to stop the genocide and/or ethnic cleansing directed at the Russian speaking population of Ukraine, do you have any information regarding the ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers in areas not controlled by the Separatists? In say, the last 6 months or so? I mean, the are you guys control composes a pretty small part of Russian speaking Ukraine, so... Ice posted:What do the rebels want? What is their ideal end game? What is their goal that once achieved they will stop fighting? What would they be willing to live with as a compromise instead of getting everything that they want? South Ossetia tried to secede, so Georgia started shelling the town killing a lot of people. Chechnya had it's own country twice, both of the times trying to build their own Caliphate. In fact, do you know how second Chechen war started? With Chechnya RAIDING RUSSIAN TERRITORY FOR SLAVES. Chechen civilians are perfectly happy with life as part of Russian Federation - quality of life has improved tremendously under it. Of course Islamists aren't happy with that, but they are not the majority. Yes, I do feel kinship. America is kind of unique in that situation, as I always felt you do not have any national identity as all, not in culture, not in the way of life. There are absolutely other ways to help - I used to be a civilian volunteer working with orphanages and disabled children before the war. I could've continued working as I started, but I guess I feel I help more through recon. You can ask virtually anyone on this isde and noone will ever say they concider being "on the wrong side". Again, time will show us being right. This whole situation has been brewing for a long time. Beginning mid-90's, the Ukraine has started to rewrite history and remove it's ties to Russia. School books, Russian classical literature removed, glorification of new "ukrainian heroes". Hell, I used to base in an abandoned school building - when we were clearing out our living space in the library, I've had to tear portraits of "Ukrainian heroes" - Bandera, Shuskevich, Voloshin. Those people are heroes? Nationalism is an idea of being proud to be a part of a country, working to better it for those who live in it. Ukrainian nationalism has a different idea - Russians are responsible for all our problems, death to all Russians. I do not feel any hate or animosity towards the general Ukrainian populace. As I said repeatedly, most of the people I fight with are Ukrainian. The 10% of shiry patrioty on the other side? Those people wanted Russians dead, so they'll have to work for it. Life used to be okay. There were no ghettos or anything such. People born before the 90's never hated each other, but that is not the case with the new generation of Ukrainian teenagers. You could not get a government job if you didn't speak Ukrainian(Even in a region with Russian language on special status), you could not use Russian in any official documents, court system, etc. Life, aside from occasional shelling hasnt changed much. There are cinemas(Though the repertoire bloody sucks and is mostly outdated), there are concerts. Theatres are working. I was on a piano concert in Donbass Arena in June, it was amazing how many people were there. Donetsk has 24/7 stores and there are no shortages of anything. I guess I couldnt find peanut butter even in the biggest supermarkets, but I can live without it. Schools and universities are working, and few Russian universities has recently said they will honor diplomas and school certificates issued by Republics. Car dealership have only RECENTLY started opening, at least I've seen them start getting repaired a couple weeks back. So if you want new, you will be able to soon. Most people ignore the war absolutely - which infuriates me to no end. I can understand pensioneers, women, disabled, but when I see a fancy-dressed rear end in a top hat, same age as I am walking down the street in his tight jeans and his pot haircut... There is a working government system, providing all essential functions same as in any civil area. Fire departments, ambulances, hospitals and clinics all continue working as is. There's no police as is - even through they drive the cars with POLICE markings, it's actually one of Military Police batallions on civil duty. Same as any crimes - you see a problem, you call MPs. People are very civil here, as because of the last summer there was an incredible number of weaponry in civilian hands - legalized and not. There are no parking tickets(Thank god), and traffic violations are usually ignored if you're military. If you hit someone's car, well, remember that there's a huge chance that this guy's insurance agents carry AK-74 rifles. As possibly yours do as well. If a serviceman gets stopped by MPs and he's drunk - he goes into the hole for 5 days. Anything even more disturbing - sentence increases, so the republics are a lot more peaceful, even at night. People remember that they can die or go into the hole for being... bad, so yeah. I've seen a guy scream at a cashier couple days back. Such situation isn't even imaginable in DNR/LNR. There is a working court and tax system, mostly a horribly hybrid between Russian, Ukrainian and made-up codices. Pensions have actually increased compared to normal Ukrainian ones! Equine Don posted:Have you met Givi or Motorola yet?
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Do you agree with this assessment of Kiev's approach to the Donetsk? http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n17/keith-gessen/why-not-kill-them-all tl;dr: Novorossiyans got left out of Kiev's post-Soviet economy and everyone sees them as useless peasants. So, they tried to assert independence in order to make things a little better for themselves, and Kiev decided this is a great opportunity to "thin the herd".
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HoratioRash posted:Odessa massacre, prohibition of Russian language in official documents, PS being allowed on the streets. Mass civilian graves found after capturing Ukrainian-controlled cities. Hell, try speaking Russian in say, Lviv right now, you'll end up in ER faster than you can finish your sentence. Is there any evidence of the Odessa clashes being organized by anyone, as opposed to being an example of anarchic violence between two mobs? Also, what mass graves? Do you have any links? As for speaking Russian and ending up in a hospital, I doubt that, but I imagine the result would be far worse if someone was to speak Ukrainian in Separatist territories, so pot, meet kettle. As for language problems or PS, that hardly seems like enough of a reason to invade a sovereign country. Again, you said you were fighting to stop genocide and ethnic cleansing, but as far as I know it's the Ukrainians who've been ethnically cleansed from separatist held territories and not the other way around.
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Friendly Tumour posted:Is there any evidence of the Odessa clashes being organized by anyone, as opposed to being an example of anarchic violence between two mobs? Also, what mass graves? Do you have any links? As for speaking Russian and ending up in a hospital, I doubt that, but I imagine the result would be far worse if someone was to speak Ukrainian in Separatist territories, so pot, meet kettle. As for language problems or PS, that hardly seems like enough of a reason to invade a sovereign country. By saying that he's fighting to stop genocide and ethnic cleansing he meant that he's fighting against the people who are trying to stop him from genociding and ethnic cleansing Ukrainians.
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HoratioRash posted:Odessa massacre, prohibition of Russian language in official documents, PS being allowed on the streets. Mass civilian graves found after capturing Ukrainian-controlled cities. Hell, try speaking Russian in say, Lviv right now, you'll end up in ER faster than you can finish your sentence. Sounds totally legit. Nothing to question here. I guess these are as good reasons as any to invade another country. Enjoy your war! I hope you kill those evil Ukrainians real good! If that gets too boring, you can make Putin proud and go home and beat up some gays for destroying Russian society.
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Hogge Wild posted:By saying that he's fighting to stop genocide and ethnic cleansing he meant that he's fighting against the people who are trying to stop him from genociding and ethnic cleansing Ukrainians. Yah ima bit confused about that too. Maybe we're having language difficulties here, could you OP restate if you're fighting against genocide, or if you are in fact fighting FOR genocide? Thanks in advance.
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I've been to Lviv and never had problems with my Russian. It's a big tourist city and literally no one minds what language you speak. They do exploit Bandera aesthetics to attract tourists in some pubs and restaurants, but even there waiters are perfectly willing to speak Russian. There are, however, some people in more rural areas who are less okay with Russian language. Things like bus drivers denying service to Russian-speaking are not unheard of, but not as common as you would imagine.
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Friendly Tumour posted:Is there any evidence of the Odessa clashes being organized by anyone, as opposed to being an example of anarchic violence between two mobs? barred the innocents from escaping the building. The fortunate few who managed to escape through ground floor windows got away with no harm.
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Jul 11, 2015 22:54
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Hey OP stop fuming at get back into your own thread. I know you're there. I can see you.
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I wasn't following any of this crap until I read this thread, but OP's weak justifications for Russia's invasions singlehandedly convinced me he's fighting on the wrong side. Nice work. Edit P.s. history will prove right whoever it is that has written history. So I guess when you've finished your genocide all y'all Russians can write whatever the gently caress makes you feel good about what you did. Chichevache fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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HoratioRash posted:Life, aside from occasional shelling hasnt changed much. There are cinemas(Though the repertoire bloody sucks and is mostly outdated), there are concerts. Theatres are working. I was on a piano concert in Donbass Arena in June, it was amazing how many people were there. Donetsk has 24/7 stores and there are no shortages of anything. I guess I couldnt find peanut butter even in the biggest supermarkets, but I can live without it. Please explain what a "pot haircut" is.
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Please explain what a "pot haircut" is. 
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I've also personally been to Ukraine, and western Ukraine at that (between Lviv and Ternopil mainly), and nobody gave a poo poo about someone being Russian speaking, let alone in Kiev. I suppose I could not say with 100% certainty but my guess is OP is full of poo poo making up excuses for killing people to get away from the "lawyer" life (being a lawyer myself, I kind of understand the pressure to beat the everliving snot out of somebody for no reason, but doesn't make it right!)
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So a bowl cut is high fashion in the Ukraine/Russia/whatever you want to call the part of Ukraine that TOTALLY WASN'T INVADED BY RUSSIA, NO WAY? That seems kinda... Russian.
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Legacy of Soviet barbers that had the jobs assigned to them.
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Runaktla posted:I've also personally been to Ukraine, and western Ukraine at that (between Lviv and Ternopil mainly), and nobody gave a poo poo about someone being Russian speaking, let alone in Kiev. Before the war most media was published in Russian, all over Ukraine. Russian was actually the privieged language, not the other way around.
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