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The French also had a top notch Intel agency during the cold war, on par with Mossad.
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France is overall a very competent nation politically, economically, and militarily. The “cheese eating surrender monkey” reputation is really undeserved.
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Aug 7, 2019 22:16
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D-d-d-d-double post!
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Aug 7, 2019 22:17
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CommieGIR posted:The French also had a top notch Intel agency during the cold war, on par with Mossad. The Poles had a very underrated cold war Intel agency as well. They ran a lot of ops against the Soviets tho... Cuba managed some very high level penetrations of the United States as well.
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Aug 7, 2019 22:29
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Midjack posted:France is overall a very competent nation politically, economically, and militarily. The “cheese eating surrender monkey” reputation is really undeserved. The whole "Americans hating on the French" thing is super recent, and mainly due to them not going along with a lot of our bullshit. However, Charles de Gaulle was a gigantic rear end in a top hat and an idiot.
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Aug 7, 2019 22:39
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Cheese eating surrender monkey started around the time before Iraq 2: This Time We Mean It, when Americans started buying champagne to pour it down the sewers.
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Aug 7, 2019 22:51
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FrozenVent posted:Cheese eating surrender monkey started around the time before Iraq 2: This Time We Mean It, when Americans started buying champagne to pour it down the sewers. The first time it appeared anywhere was an episode of the Simpsons in 1995
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Aug 7, 2019 23:02
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Midjack posted:France is overall a very competent nation politically, economically, and militarily. The “cheese eating surrender monkey” reputation is really undeserved. I think that they have some very painfully learned institutional knowledge built into their structure that Americans just don't have due to pure hubris.
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Aug 8, 2019 01:22
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A Bad Poster posted:The whole "Americans hating on the French" thing is super recent, and mainly due to them not going along with a lot of our bullshit. de Gaulle was poo poo. The French fought hard to stall the Germans at Dunkirk, despite their High Command just throwing up their hands in despair.
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Aug 8, 2019 01:47
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bird cooch posted:All of my interactions with the French military boiled down to three points. My uncle, a stereotypical republican, was some sort of USMC staff officer at Kandahar and told me in all seriousness that he'd rather work with the French than the Army.
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Aug 8, 2019 01:58
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My favorite response to folks raving about how those cowardly French always surrender is to point out that the American Revolution would have been a failed footnote in history if France join in due to their love of loving up the British. Then give us a huge sum of cash to get started and a fancy statue to boot. Y'all can thank Ben Franklin's penis for that. Also, never forget that Republican hawks in Congress had their cafeteria rename French fries to 'Freedom Fries' after France refused to help us invade Iraq again.
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Aug 8, 2019 14:18
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Wild T posted:Then give us a huge sum of cash to get started and a fancy statue to boot. Y'all can thank Ben Franklin's penis for that. Franklin was certainly a good, well respected diplomat but the French desire to gently caress over the British was more about hard feelings after they lost the French and Indian War/Seven Years' War. The funniest part of the whole deal was that the French king was basically responsible for radicalizing and training up the same people who would eventually cut his head off. Probably not the outcome he envisioned.
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Aug 8, 2019 14:45
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Scratch Monkey posted:Franklin was certainly a good, well respected diplomat but the French desire to gently caress over the British was more about hard feelings after they lost the French and Indian War/Seven Years' War. The funniest part of the whole deal was that the French king was basically responsible for radicalizing and training up the same people who would eventually cut his head off. Probably not the outcome he envisioned. Let them
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Aug 8, 2019 14:48
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The French playing themselves out of spite is really the most French thing they could possibly do.
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Aug 8, 2019 14:52
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FrozenVent posted:Cheese eating surrender monkey started around the time before Iraq 2: This Time We Mean It, when Americans started buying champagne to pour it down the sewers. Ah, yes the era of “Freedom Fries”, around 2003 when the French said invading Iraq is dumb and pointless, but pretty much every US politician on both sides of the aisle was reading from the same one page talking point flyer about WMD and Iraq Bad, Invade! Worked out well.
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Aug 8, 2019 15:18
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 Louis XVI, in the bonnet rouge, the french revolutionary cap. The French Revolution gets loving weird at points, but one of them is Louis XVI pretending that he's pro-revolution. Idiot story: As I'm driving three people to the bus station who just got fired, one for stealing beer from a store not too far away from center, two for drugs, two of them start talking about enlisting, one in the Navy, the other Army. 
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Aug 8, 2019 16:05
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Scratch Monkey posted:Franklin was certainly a good, well respected diplomat but the French desire to gently caress over the British was more about hard feelings after they lost the French and Indian War/Seven Years' War. The funniest part of the whole deal was that the French king was basically responsible for radicalizing and training up the same people who would eventually cut his head off. Probably not the outcome he envisioned. Thats the natural progression of power.
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Aug 8, 2019 16:14
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A White Guy posted:
How many did you mentor? Did you read the Sailors Creed to any of these individuals?
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Aug 8, 2019 16:15
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CommieGIR posted:de Gaulle was poo poo. DeGaulle was a junior guy who got an honorary promotion for annoying high command enough to the point they gave him some tanks and said “nothing else is working, might as well try your dumb ideas”. He then went on to use that honorary title to make himself into a big deal to the Allies as a political figurehead, which to me seems very much in the spirit of this thread. I’d also point out that most French people nowadays really don’t like him for his many other big idiot moves.
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Aug 8, 2019 16:20
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CommieGIR posted:The French also had a top notch Intel agency during the cold war, on par with Mossad. You must have seen "A very secret service" on Netflix
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Aug 8, 2019 16:42
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Flikken posted:You must have seen "A very secret service" on Netflix Actually read a couple books. Ill dig up titles.
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Aug 8, 2019 16:43
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The French lost to the dirt poor Algierians who received little material support from the outside world
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:The French lost to the dirt poor Algierians who received little material support from the outside world Insurgencies are tough, OK?
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Aug 8, 2019 17:03
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They had a whole para regiment revolt and start planning a drop on Paris too. Didn't happen of course, but imagine that happening in the US military.
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CommieGIR posted:Actually read a couple books. Ill dig up titles. A very secret service is a comedy, and it's really good.
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Flikken posted:A very secret service is a comedy, and it's really good. I will check it out.
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Aug 8, 2019 17:06
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canyoneer posted:Insurgencies are tough, OK? Not claiming otherwise. Just like pointing out fallibility. Look at us, almost as cool as the French.
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Aug 8, 2019 17:23
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The French had torrid nasty affairs with it that ended quickly and badly. We decided to drag it out onto loveless, sexless marriages of convenience.
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Aug 8, 2019 17:25
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If only we had that French passion
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Aug 8, 2019 17:29
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Check out this badass idiot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliahu_Itzkovitz
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Aug 8, 2019 17:40
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That guy is a goddamn badass.
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Aug 8, 2019 17:57
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that fuckin owns
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The Rat posted:They had a whole para regiment revolt and start planning a drop on Paris too. Didn't happen of course, but imagine that happening in the US military. Airborne being useful, now thats a fantasy.
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Aug 8, 2019 18:09
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Cenen posted:Edit: the French still have a waaaay more competent military than England in like every aspect still though. UK SOF is hella good, UK conventional forces in RC-SW were a goddamn joke. French in RC-E hosed all sorts of TB up, I believe they sustained the second most casualties after US, at a rate way above their troop numbers warranted. It wasn't cause they were bad, it was cause they were always looking to fight. Unlike ze Germans up in RC-N.
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A White Guy posted:
This silly hat actually has a much longer history than that. It's a phrygian cap, which has been the symbol of a freedman or of liberty in general since the ancient Greeks. You can see it in lots of official seals and state flags here in the US.
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Aug 8, 2019 19:15
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Check out this badass idiot I think some details are missing here.
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Aug 8, 2019 19:16
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Flying_Crab posted:I think some details are missing here. Like how much he made that nazi gently caress suffer? I too would be interested in hearing about that.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Like how much he made that nazi gently caress suffer? I too would be interested in hearing about that. He emptied his MAT-49 magazine into the dude after confirming his identity in the middle of a firefight. e: I came across the story in Street Without Joy by Bernard Fall UP THE BUM NO BABY fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Aug 8, 2019 |
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Aug 8, 2019 20:16
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:He emptied his MAT-49 magazine into the dude after confirming his identity in the middle of a firefight. An excerpt from Fall’s Street Without Joy that has the story
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I'm bemused that he didn't face any punishment from the FFL for intentional fratricide, but the IDF gave him a year in prison for deserting to get revenge on the concentration camp guard who killed his family. Like, what the gently caress Israel? You should have thrown the man a parade in Tel Aviv.
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