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Crazy Ferret posted:The "preserving bloodlines" bit is certainly an apt metaphor and has strong, if unfortunate, connections to real life. That said, I also think it has something to do with being forced into what is socially acceptable. If you are a wolf of course you are going to get involved with another wolf. Even Jack comically asks if Legoshi's interest is even a Canine and has some strong words for Legoshi when he finds the bunny porn mag. I get a feeling that folks are supposed to end up with their own kind. it's not a perfect social allegory either, since different animal species cross-breeding is a pretty far cry from human race-mixing and the series goes on to show that some pretty gnarly things can result from the former. the story hasn't really shown either side to be unambiguously right or wrong just yet as for the latest chapter, kind of sympathizing with legosi here when he's visibly struggling not to laugh at the history lesson. this is incredibly silly!
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Darth Walrus posted:An obsession with same-species romance has been treated as vaguely creepy and unhealthy every time it's been brought up, so I'm not sure that's where we're going here. Louis doesn't seem super happy about his arranged marriage, and then there's that harlequin rabbit with a grudge against Haru. It's a bunch of unsympathetic characters yelling about 'preserving bloodlines' in a way that has obvious real-world parallels. I wasn't even thinking about the same/different species aspect. His interactions with June were cute normal romcon fare, but every interaction he has had with Haru has been super creepy and obsessive. The human world equivalent is that he has latched on to the first girl to give him any sort of non-platonic attention and is now forming an idealized version of her in his mind that he thinks he is in love with. Poor girl needs help of a variety that none of the boys at school are equipped to give, certainly not Legoshi. Oxxidation posted:it's not a perfect social allegory either, since different animal species cross-breeding is a pretty far cry from human race-mixing and the series goes on to show that some pretty gnarly things can result from the former. the story hasn't really shown either side to be unambiguously right or wrong just yet Kung Food fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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There's something oddly charming about the manga's off-model and goofy expressions (eyes going from sketchy animalistic to round circles with dots or just dot-eyes) which doesn't carry over to the anime, which is slightly disappointing, but they're both fantastic styles nonetheless The anime also juggled around some scenes and chapters differently than the anime, and I can't say I blame them for that
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Crazy Ferret posted:The "preserving bloodlines" bit is certainly an apt metaphor and has strong, if unfortunate, connections to real life. That said, I also think it has something to do with being forced into what is socially acceptable. If you are a wolf of course you are going to get involved with another wolf. Even Jack comically asks if Legoshi's interest is even a Canine and has some strong words for Legoshi when he finds the bunny porn mag. I get a feeling that folks are supposed to end up with their own kind. The comic ends up feeling exceptionally authentic to the mixed race experience in the united states. Its good.
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I wont speak on specifics because the show isnt there yet but the mix of self loathing and pride and ostacization and longing for a place to belong to reads as very genuine and matches my lived experience. Its more authentic than most american media on race especially.
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Vinylshadow posted:There's something oddly charming about the manga's off-model and goofy expressions (eyes going from sketchy animalistic to round circles with dots or just dot-eyes) which doesn't carry over to the anime, which is slightly disappointing, but they're both fantastic styles nonetheless  legosi is god's perfect idiot
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Oxxidation posted:
I can confirm this is basically how dating in high school worked They even have the "if this is what growing up means, screw that!" interaction
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Vinylshadow posted:There's something oddly charming about the manga's off-model and goofy expressions (eyes going from sketchy animalistic to round circles with dots or just dot-eyes) which doesn't carry over to the anime, which is slightly disappointing, but they're both fantastic styles nonetheless I noticed this in the last episode in regards to the two chicken characters talking (man the things certain medias get you to write). When the two chickens were talking, one had human eyes with pupils and whatnot while the other was just two featureless black dots. For some reason, that kind of details always stands out to me. In the manga, I imagine its more stylistic, or a simple time-saving, choice whereas it feels a bit out of place animated. Oxxidation posted:legosi is god's perfect idiot This is so very true.
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Sharkopath posted:I wont speak on specifics because the show isnt there yet but the mix of self loathing and pride and ostacization and longing for a place to belong to reads as very genuine and matches my lived experience. Also between that and them being teenagers, every relationship being kind of obsessive and dysfunctional in some way feels pretty natural.
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Man Episode 6 had some good direction, using 3D to its full advantage is something I've only really seen Orange do. Like scaling up that hawks head for effect, or the rotating shot when Legosi's stepping away from Juno. I really hope this doesn't get stuck with one season like Land of the Lustrous, Orange put too much love into both to have them languish with a single season. e: And the way they made Legosi's fur bristle was a cool effect, I'd love to see a Behind-the-Scenes episode on how the show was made.
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Holy poo poo the colour pencil animation.  Episode 7 was a riot, that flying drop kick lmao. And looks like the Orange twitter is posting some bits and pieces of the design process, pretty neat. https://twitter.com/CG_Orange_eng/status/1193120107590893573?s=20 https://twitter.com/CG_Orange_eng/status/1189604782182289408?s=20 ijyt fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Nov 24, 2019 |
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ijyt posted:Man Episode 6 had some good direction, using 3D to its full advantage is something I've only really seen Orange do. Like scaling up that hawks head for effect, or the rotating shot when Legosi's stepping away from Juno. If we don’t get Houseki no kuni season 2 I’m gonna riot
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They have to. There are so much good arcs in Houseki that needs to get adapted. But this manga has so many amazing stuff as well God
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The director I think specifically asked to do Beastars about 2 years ago just as they were finishing up Houseki so I think the interest is definitely there from the studio, hopefully it does well on Netflix.
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Accidentally blazed through about 100 chapters of the manga - it's so stupidly good in the greatest way Is the season 13 or 26 episodes?
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Vinylshadow posted:Accidentally blazed through about 100 chapters of the manga - it's so stupidly good in the greatest way 13, looks like i binged the anime episodes myself and the 3D helps for pretty much the reasons i expected, it's probably easier to animate the different body language of each character with consistent model rigs instead of hand-drawing every animal type on display also one of my favorite low-key plot arcs in the early chapters/episodes is Kai getting shunted to the drama club's crew and after his initial meltdown going "wait, i actually kind of like this"
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I'm so happy they kept the chicken bit.
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I had been wondering about the source of the eggs that were on the menu. Nice to see it answered.
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Helter Skelter posted:I'm so happy they kept the chicken bit. and then they did it
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Helter Skelter posted:I'm so happy they kept the chicken bit. I hate it. I won't forgive them.
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There's a few other bits like that later down the line, which I like, and I really hope they at least do another season so we can get at least another two arcs animated
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If the directors as big as a fan as they make out to be I think they’ll do everything they can to make more. I want to see the arcade in action.
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I blitzed through 130 chapters in two days and now I'm all caught up with the manga (at 154?) There's definitely some arcs and scenes that would look spectacular animated
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I've ended up reading the manga as well. And I just have one major problem with it. Funny enough, it's based on a single throwaway panel that's never mentioned again (big manga spoilers, obviously), and that's where it's shown that lion gang under Louis are still selling children to be eaten alive. And he went along with it and didn't stop it. That's just way too hosed up for me to handle. There's just no coming back to being a sympathetic character after something like that. I basically pretend that panel didn't happen so I can continue to enjoy the story. I'm not even sure what's the point of me rambling about it is, I just had to get this out.
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Forgall posted:I've ended up reading the manga as well. And I just have one major problem with it. Funny enough, it's based on a single throwaway panel that's never mentioned again (big manga spoilers, obviously), and that's where it's shown that lion gang under Louis are still selling children to be eaten alive. And he went along with it and didn't stop it. That's just way too hosed up for me to handle. There's just no coming back to being a sympathetic character after something like that. I basically pretend that panel didn't happen so I can continue to enjoy the story. I'm not even sure what's the point of me rambling about it is, I just had to get this out.
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Fabricated posted:Was it still kids? The thing I remember was adults selling off their own parts for money. Yeah, chapter 76 page 12.
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Jesus, this last episode. Well, they are really letting off the brakes on this show. Part of me has issues with the world building that involves cannibalism as a major factor in how the world works (and Cannibalism is not the best word for this as we are dealing with animal species, but more of the eating of an another sentient being is what I'm getting at). I don't care much for the chickens I eat, though I know they probably have a rough and brief existence, and this is the same for most if not all of the meat I enjoy as a human. That said when the chicken can ask me not to kill and eat it because the chicken just asked out its crush for the first time and has experienced a level of happiness it has never known before, I may take exception because I understand similar feelings. Empathy for others a big deal, especially if we can understand each other on basic levels, to say nothing of conversation. That is what makes this particular show and its conflict so...insane and intense. I can buy into the black market as a way to purchase deceased animal meat for carnivore consumption, or in the case of the homeless person (antelope?) a more mental health/addiction based commerce cause that happens in reality, so to speak. But once it comes down to wholesale slaughter for consumption of another thinking, feeling person (animal) is where I get a bit derailed. The scene with the boss lion is just uncomfortable and I know it is supposed to be, doubly so as a metaphor for sexual assault, but when you add the death by literal consumption into the mix, it gets super bleak. Good lord! The idea of eating feral children for a want, as opposed to a need, based consumption is just bonkers. Still, the art in this show continues to be exceptional. Louis's backstory is incredible drawn with simple, but brutal art that show how a child would view that particular world. Legoshi getting all puffed up before the fight is one of my favorite little details that this show continually provides. Louis's handshake with the mayor is just a wonderful bit of visual storytelling in how much the particular characters want this act to be understood. I really enjoy this show like a lot, but man it goes into some dark places. PS: I have seen the manga at my local Barnes&Nobles but cannot afford it on my humble teacher pay as way to catch up to the plot. I will remain humbly ignorant to what has been written as TV shows are its own beast to be experienced. Pun intended.
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on the manga side, i saw the raws for chapter 156 and it's starting to lose me Melon needs to loving go. he's rapidly becoming yet another Joker, the sort of badguy who just gets off on freeform mayhem without much in the way of an ideology or an overarching goal, and the constantly escalating nature of his crimes is really straining belief even in Beastars' off-kilter setting. he briefly had a flash of actual motive after Haru sort-of awakened his sense of appetite, but then he saunters back off to the black market to kick off a riot for shits and giggles. i'm not even too annoyed that he exsanguinated Dolph, though i liked the guy. i'm just so over this posturing tongue-lolling shithead chewing up chapter after chapter of plot, especially after Riz fit in ten times the pathos in less than half the time meanwhile we have the big-whale thing in the backstory and i don't even want to venture an opinion on that nonsense until we get more information
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I'm catching up with the anime and also re-reading the manga. (Manga Spoilers) I think probably one of the hardest hitting scenes in the manga for me is Legosi and Juno going out to grab something to eat to have their chat about carnivore/herbivore relationships. They have their practical chat and then the instant they go outside society politely crushes their feelings. Everyone being NICE just destroys them both because they both see the kind of life they could have if they just gave up and the life they'll have to deal with if they trying to live the lives they WANT. I dunno why but it just felt brutal to read the first time. As far as the anime goes, Juno being shoujo levels of smitten the instant Legosi takes his jacket off is hilarious. It's also kinda interesting because Legosi is such an unbelievable dorklord and slouches/hides and spends so much time in his own head you kinda don't realize that Legosi is probably a prime example of his species at least in the looks department. Fabricated fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Crazy Ferret posted:PS: I have seen the manga at my local Barnes&Nobles but cannot afford it on my humble teacher pay as way to catch up to the plot. I will remain humbly ignorant to what has been written as TV shows are its own beast to be experienced. Pun intended. To be fair the anime has already passed what little of the manga has been released in the states
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Digamma-F-Wau posted:To be fair the anime has already passed what little of the manga has been released in the states That is what I figured when flipped though the 3 volumes they had. I mostly wanted to see some of the goofy artwork and that great "BIOLOGY" scene and how it compared. I may find a way to read all the volumes over my christmas break but I'm enjoying not having too much stuff spoiled for me. Do we have any idea of how many episodes this show is getting?
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Crazy Ferret posted:That is what I figured when flipped though the 3 volumes they had. I mostly wanted to see some of the goofy artwork and that great "BIOLOGY" scene and how it compared. I may find a way to read all the volumes over my christmas break but I'm enjoying not having too much stuff spoiled for me. With the pacing of the anime, 13 episodes would easily get us to the end of the Meteor Festival, and another 13 would probably reach chapter 99, which would wrap up all the plots introduced since the first episode, then leave the next few arcs for a possible Season 2 in 2021, which should give the mangaka enough time to at least finish the current arc No actual number of episodes confirmed though
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13 would be great, another 13 would be amazing. I think 13 is about right, considering that's how long Houseki was - I think the end of the Meteorite Festival would be a good place to break as it wraps up a few things and leaves some more hanging for S2. Episode 8 was a blast, that synchronised head-turn was great. It's so much fun seeing the manga come to life.
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Oxxidation posted:on the manga side, i saw the raws for chapter 156 and it's starting to lose me If I'm understanding it right, this was basically a meet-up of a bunch of the black market gangs, yeah? And melon sliced open dolph's throat like that to show off that he's a brutal bastard that's still in charge of the shishigumi despite their attempted coup with legosi and that all the other gangs should rally behind him, hence why everyone was chanting shishigumi at the end? it's kind of weird that he took over the shishigumi in the first place, so I guess this is the logical progression to that? Melon is definitely a weaker antagonist than riz but I find him enjoyable enough for what he is -- he's an easy enough archetype to use in a story that otherwise struggles to generate the kind of conflict that's desirable in shonen, or at least that's what I'd guess is the rationale behind him on paru's part.
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The camera work in this episode felt real good and Louis's flashback is really well done.
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Electric Phantasm posted:The camera work in this episode felt real good and Louis's flashback is really well done. The camera work is just fantastic on all fronts.
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Hiveminded posted:If I'm understanding it right, this was basically a meet-up of a bunch of the black market gangs, yeah? And melon sliced open dolph's throat like that to show off that he's a brutal bastard that's still in charge of the shishigumi despite their attempted coup with legosi and that all the other gangs should rally behind him, hence why everyone was chanting shishigumi at the end? it's kind of weird that he took over the shishigumi in the first place, so I guess this is the logical progression to that? Melon is definitely a weaker antagonist than riz but I find him enjoyable enough for what he is -- he's an easy enough archetype to use in a story that otherwise struggles to generate the kind of conflict that's desirable in shonen, or at least that's what I'd guess is the rationale behind him on paru's part. as i understand it, yeah. i don't know how much of it is a figure of speech on melon's part, but the winner of the turf war seems to be determined by how much blood they spill during the "festival," so by slashing dolph's throat like that he put the shishigumi on top and then used his newly gained clout to incite a riot among the marketgoers the shishigumi originally accepted him as their boss in an extremely ill-advised attempt to continue the egalitarian policies they started by taking on louis, that much i get. why they haven't just shot or eaten him when he's constantly torturing and killing their own number makes less sense. they probably can't do so now without destroying whatever reputation they have in front of the whole market, but this rear end in a top hat's been saved by one plot contrivance after another and it's gotten extremely tiresome
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My friend kept sending me panels from the manga, so I broke down and marathoned it over the past few days. I actually like Melon a fair bit as an antagonist. I enjoyed Riz as an antagonist too, but some of the philosophizing there felt like it was straining too hard to marry shonen fights and optimism with the bleak metaphors of the world. The Melon plot feels a lot less forced in that regard. I agree that it's dumb for the Shishigumi to have put up with him this long, though. It also feels really weird to portray them as these sort of bumbling protagonists after what they did to Haru (and what they're apparently still doing to children in the black market...) Sidenote everyone in this universe needs a few sessions with Gouhin.
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The chapter title reveal for episode 10 legitimately caused me laugh out loud and go "aww". Same with the very Legoshi like answer to Haru on why is he rescuing her and apologizing that his uniform smells. What a lovable dork. So I know (or at least certainly hope very much) that the show is smart enough to deal with Legoshi's very...unique feelings towards Haru. That line "Haru belongs to me. Haru is my prey!" is a brutal perversion of love and the show takes a moment to all go negative image to show how messed up even Legoshi thinks it is, albeit suddenly. I hope it follows through cause gently caress that's dark. I do think he is legitimately in love with her but it seems very one sided at the moment. There is a lot to work through there. Gouhin's bit about the porn magazine and figuring out which feeling is which certainly feels more spot-on now. To that end, I do like how the show characterizes Haru and her sexuality. It does not denigrate her or show her as a fool. It feels like her way to take control of an aspect of her life and I can respect that. I'm also glad its not too ugly in showing things as it remains pretty classy in that regard. Lord knows there's a way it could go headfirst over a cliff and would be infinitely worse for it. Gouhin rules and the action continues to be great. I really appreciate how the characters feel weighty. The fight scenes feel like the characters are actually tossing each other around and nothing has that floatiness that I feel with certain animes. Legoshi turning the gun around on the lion and later when he headbutts the other lion are just fantastic pieces of animation. Once this show gets into a fight, it is really a pleasure to watch. I know the show is making very serious connections between sex and predation, but everything with the Boss Lion is super uncomfortable. I know that's the point but man did it make my skin just crawl when he goes into his shame and humiliation bit.
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