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dougdrums posted:it’s real cool and good when a megacorp asks me to submit a pr for an issue, when they make fucktons off of it. but i should be grateful to contribute for some reason. yeah, the whole thing with billion dollar corporations asking people (some of whom may be unemployed and struggling to pay their bills) for free tech support is a huge problem then there are the cases where everyone acts absolutely shocked when some security bug in critical infrastructure rears its head, and it turns out that the critical piece of software is maintained by one guy in a village in croatia who has never been paid a dime for his work and then there is "your entire company uses the software i wrote, but apparently i'm not worthy of being paid because i flubbed inverting a binary tree on a whiteboard in 30 seconds with people breathing down my neck" The_Franz fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Dec 14, 2022 |
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just react to all PRs and requests with hostility. i will dunk on a company or some random idiot using my code if they ask for even the minimum of interaction
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another good trick is to tell people submitting PRs that you don't accept PRs from their country, no matter what it is
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http://www.boringcactus.com/2021/09/29/anti-license-manifesto.htmlquote:software licenses are unavoidably a legal tool. the legal system, in the US and approximately everywhere else, is not a machine that leads to justice. therefore, software licenses do not lead to justice.
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quote:the hostile, the absurd, the useless, the straight up unhinged 👋🏼
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:another good trick is to tell people submitting PRs that you don't accept PRs from their country, no matter what it is in my line of work PR means per rectum
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that monkey license is pretty goodquote:Copyright Bouke van der Bijl
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:just react to all... with hostility singing my song with his words
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rotors manifesto converted me to an open sores costanza-face thanks rotor. thotor
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i just read it i’m gonna deny people their use of the crime committer source code for other committer projects
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simply ask the military not to use your murderdrone script
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:simply ask the military not to use your murderdrone script if you license everything as for strictly non-commercial use, and they use it anyway, you could sue them for it. i'm not seeing many downsides to releasing open source software, that specifically is excluded from business use, and otherwise has few restrictions / requirements
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a non-commercial license on your software doesn't actually exclude militaries from using it to guide missiles towards hospitals, or some nonprofit political thinktank using your stuff to power their servers for a campaign to legalize murder
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you can’t sue if it’s being used in secret
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dougdrums posted:you can’t sue if it’s being used in secret no license or copyright will prevent those willing to break the law from using your stuff. If thats something you cant live with, don’t share your code broadly or at all.
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but if you feel like you absolutely must share your code to the world (???) a non-commercial, non-military license is about the best you can do.
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but honestly if thats the case, please ask yourself why you feel compelled to share your work like that.
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I simply make sure all of the code I make public on github isn’t useful in the first place
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dougdrums posted:I simply make sure all of the code I make public on github isn’t useful in the first place
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lmao look at all these nerds writing code in their free time
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my conscious is clean. I only publish spam libraries on npm that just have functions to print out my posts to stderr
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dougdrums posted:I simply make sure all of the code I make public on github isn’t useful in the first place
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*pressing the open PR button* rotor forgive me, but i gotta go back to da old me
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Armitag3 posted:*pressing the open PR button* 
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this is very stupid imo
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rotor posted:this is very stupid imo turn on ur monitor
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i saw too many people in my small hobby community fleecing newbies by selling them overpriced junk entirely built on open source hardware and software that they had no part in developing, so i licensed all my stuff under the "no wastemans" license, where the code wasn't publicly online, but you could have it and use it however you like if you weren't on the shitlist, apart from giving it to people on the shitlist. my license terms were never breached, but inevitably someone ended up doing the exact same thing i had done previously and open sourcing it, and the ripoff merchants just started using the open sourced thing. painful.
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I’m giving away software on the internet!! 
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I've been thinking a lot about rotor's effortpost with respect to my current job situation. Some of you know that I'm a grad student at a public university. One thing that I do feel strongly about is that the public is paying my salary, so the software I develop in the course of my research should be made available. What little I do write that might be useful to others I tend to MIT-licence, under the assumption that "well, yall paid for this through your taxes, by way of the NSF grant that pays me, so who am I to say what you should or shouldn't do with this". After all, in much the same way, if I write a paper about something and then Palantir/Lockheed-Martin/ICE/etc go off and drive something from my research, I can't do anything about it. So, given that this weird situation is that I'm paid a pittance to "trade in ideas", what's the right way to think about how your work should be used (or indeed even how you choose what problems to research) ethically? The "don't trade open source labour for job visibility" is also something I struggle with over here too. While research papers are nominally the thing that gets you hired as a faculty member, it's also incredibly valuable to get your work used by others in the field. Obviously a big way of doing that is to open-source your code and have others build atop it - for instance, in my field, there's a technique called E-matching, and I think part of the reason why it's used as much as it is is that there's a great open source library that other researchers can use. anyway I don't have good answers but maybe you all do, also accepting "why are you in grad school, come make $800k/yr at my crypto startup instead" responses
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in your case it sounds like you are doing research and advancing knowledge as opposed to a primary focus on building tools that solve a business problem. so my take would be that it’s entirely cool and good for you to be open soresing
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Dijkstracula posted:I've been thinking a lot about rotor's effortpost with respect to my current job situation. Some of you know that I'm a grad student at a public university. One thing that I do feel strongly about is that the public is paying my salary, so the software I develop in the course of my research should be made available. Why not GNU license it? You're sharing it with people you care about, and making it unpalateable to business. wrt to the comparison between research and code, I would say there's not much difference from an ethical standpoint, but there's not as much that you can do about it due to how publicly funded, peer-reviewed research works. However just because there's not much you can do about one doesn't mean you shouldn't bother with the other. quote:The "don't trade open source labour for job visibility" is also something I struggle with over here too. While research papers are nominally the thing that gets you hired as a faculty member, it's also incredibly valuable to get your work used by others in the field. Obviously a big way of doing that is to open-source your code and have others build atop it - for instance, in my field, there's a technique called E-matching, and I think part of the reason why it's used as much as it is is that there's a great open source library that other researchers can use. thats really sad. I dont have a solution for you, nor do I have a solution for all the junior engineers that are facing tough job interviews and may not have the luxury of saying "I'm at the stage of my career where I no longer write code for fun." But I think at least recognizing that this "work for exposure" bullshit is in fact bullshit, and sharing this opinion with your colleagues is a good start.
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git apologist posted:in your case it sounds like you are doing research and advancing knowledge as opposed to a primary focus on building tools that solve a business problem. so my take would be that it’s entirely cool and good for you to be open soresing my opinion is that it depends. Is it research in computer vision? then no, it is absolutely immoral to research at all, much less release. Is it research on types and verifiably correct code? then go ahead, no one uses that poo poo anyway lol
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afaik the uni still sets the salary and they will act in their interests even if it means loving you over, so I wouldn’t be too conflicted
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I refuse to open sores my code because it’s bad and I don’t want nerds to dunk on me
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:I refuse to open sores my code because it’s bad and I don’t want nerds to dunk on me i have bad news about your posts
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I have never written an open source, I get paid fat stacks to write absolute garbage
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ADINSX posted:I have never written an open source, I get paid fat stacks to write absolute garbage Actually this isn’t quite true I guess some of my grad school job was open source so if you want some bad Perl from 2009 it’s yours I guess
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ADINSX posted:I have never written an open source, I get paid fat stacks to write absolute garbage same i wrote a tiny lil thing back in 1998 or so but that hardly counts
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i fixed a critical concurrency bug in the at-the-time very popular Java template language Velocity thanks to it being open source so open source is only like 99% bad
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what about open source as a method of public audit for example bitwarden is open source, the intention being that it’s easier for anyone to spot security flaws. i’m sure you’re all well aware of why this might be proposed suppose this is literally to do with open source rather than a licensing model
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