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who are u, who are so wise in the ways of religion
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gobbagool posted:Not enough victim points for D&D minimum threshold This really does seem to be the thinking at play here. Muslims are considered more oppressed by the left than many other groups so I'm just supposed to ignore any opinion polls showing problematic beliefs, I don't think that's a productive viewpoint.
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Feb 13, 2017 01:43
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MaxxBot posted:This really does seem to be the thinking at play here. Muslims are considered more oppressed by the left than many other groups so I'm just supposed to ignore any opinion polls showing problematic beliefs, I don't think that's a productive viewpoint. "discrimination is bad, unless it's against a minority with 'problematic' beliefs"
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Feb 13, 2017 02:28
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MaxxBot posted:This really does seem to be the thinking at play here. Muslims are considered more oppressed by the left than many other groups so I'm just supposed to ignore any opinion polls showing problematic beliefs, I don't think that's a productive viewpoint. basically every marginalized ethnic group in the US has regressive social beliefs, you know i guess that makes it ok for gay white men to be nazis
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Feb 13, 2017 03:45
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:is fundamentalist Christianity on that list? Lindsey O. Graham posted:are you saying if other minority groups had power, and were not in the minority they would also not care about equal rights? I doesn't matter what intentions you have, doesn't matter how many promises you make, that this time it will be different, that's bullshit special pleading. People are people, always and forever. So when people like Al-Saqr point to groups with ~doves on their flags~ as some kind of counter example, that's the mistake they're making. They're, racistly, assuming that muslims are gonna be immune to the same temptations that ruined every single other attempt at that kind of society. Pointing this out is inconvenient, because in the west, muslims are victims of discrimination, and it's bad form to accuse victims of 'potential crimes', and understandably so. But if we're being serious about this, serious about politics, we have to look these facts in the face, as they are - the quality of being a victim does not and never will make you a 'purer' human being, immune to faults, and oppression has a way of reproducing itself if you're not making an active effort to marginalize it. The trick is to never let this fact be used by reaction, and the best way to do that is overturn the hidden assumptions they're making. 'Oh those muslims, they're women oppressing, they're the bad guys' unlike me - bang, there's your opening. Western reactionaries never gave a poo poo about feminism, they're nothing but hypocrites, they have no right to criticize muslims.
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Feb 13, 2017 04:15
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Zas posted:this but like the exact opposite I more mean to say that institutional religion itself shouldn't be defended, but freedom of worship should absolutely be defended and so should its adherents
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Feb 13, 2017 04:29
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God bless John Calvin. God bless the Church.
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Feb 13, 2017 05:40
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deadgoon posted:will convert if true sharia law is against financial interest rates
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Feb 13, 2017 06:12
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Top City Homo posted:sharia law is against financial interest rates I was hangin' at a relatives drinking gahwa and two of them got INTO IT about whether Islamic banking was legit Islamic or if it was just a shell game obfuscating use of interest somewhere else, it was fun.
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Feb 13, 2017 06:16
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The Kingfish posted:God bless John Calvin. God bless the Church. gently caress that heretic, he is as bad Mohamed.
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Feb 13, 2017 06:23
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John Calvin lured his friend into a trap that lead to his execution b/c he believed in tawhid. RIP Michael Servetus.
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Feb 13, 2017 06:28
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☝️islam is the light
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Feb 13, 2017 06:36
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rudatron posted:Yes Ah, I see. 
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Feb 13, 2017 07:27
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Cyberbird posted:Buddy I've never had a muslim harass me for being a queer, and besides that, having poo poo opinions doesn't mean they forfeit their human rights. And you're kidding yourself if you think the people who want muslims gone don't want us gone right with 'em. Also like, queer muslims are a thing that is real and we gotta stick up for 'em. taqiya practiced by RADICAL ISLAMIST TERRORISTS there are wolves within sheeps within sheeps in wolves clothing all the way down
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Feb 13, 2017 07:32
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Mormon Star Wars posted:I was hangin' at a relatives drinking gahwa and two of them got INTO IT about whether Islamic banking was legit Islamic or if it was just a shell game obfuscating use of interest somewhere else, it was fun. Jewish lending laws have a similar concept where you do not lend at interest but purchase a piece of the business or venture as a limited partner. So the returns are considered non interest income in any case, if western values are based on neoliberalism and parasitic wealth extracting financialization then yes because religion has been a huge check and proponent in the drive for ethical capitalism and the transformation of capitalism into a more humane system. Religion can and has created allies to socialist movements. Christian rooted democratic socialism (Tommy Douglas etc) Workerism of the early Labor party Christian Democracy in Europe (although not socialist, still democratic corporatist) Libertarian Anarchism is hugely influenced by Jewish ethical tradition and I am pretty sure that there have been secular/traditional Islamic ethics rooted socialist movements in the Muslim world that could be considered "islamist" but not fundamentalist
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Feb 13, 2017 09:26
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Top City Homo posted:Jewish lending laws have a similar concept where you do not lend at interest but purchase a piece of the business or venture as a limited partner. So the returns are considered non interest income please keep talking, as I seek to have hope in humanity
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Feb 13, 2017 12:54
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Muslim Socialism was all but killed by Wahhabism, Israel, US, Khomeini and what remained of it warped into Baathism.
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Feb 13, 2017 12:54
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Islam is boring and bad.
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Feb 13, 2017 15:34
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didn't read op or any replies but just poppin in to say there is no god but god and muhammed is His prophet
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Feb 13, 2017 15:56
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crazy cloud posted:didn't read op or any replies but just poppin in to say there is no god but god and muhammed is His prophet nice like the sex number it's 69
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Feb 13, 2017 15:59
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deadgoon posted:nice nice
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Feb 13, 2017 16:00
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:please keep talking, as I seek to have hope in humanity Christianity at its core is rooted in liberation and ethical relationship between mankind because Judaism at its core is a liberation theology. I also think that a lot of people at least historically would agree with the saying: remove christ from the Bible and you have the communist menifesto probably why the priests read the books and didn't allow the peasants to read it The British cooperative federalism movement was started by Robert Owen and mass movement democratic reformers such as the Chartist movement was rooted in Christian ethics. The Chartists had democratic hymns and there was a propagation of labour churches The Cooperative Commonwealth Federation fit that role. For example, Tommy Douglas was a minister Laurence Gronlund, who wrote the Cooperative Commonwealth, reinterpreted Marx through a Christian reading quote:Song of the Lower Classes. anyway, my point is that the moral religious ethics that aren't there to fleece people (prosperity gospel) or put a boot on their face (dominionism/wahabbism etc) should be considered as "comrades" in their ability to inspire moral action to socialist ends islam has zakat, which is basically a wealth tax and many moral teachings that would support and have supported during the Caliphate a welfare system unheard of in the medieval world that doesn't mean that they are automatic allies as many socialist movements in the arab world are inspired by right wing nationalism and fascism more than international brotherhood so be very careful with that
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Feb 13, 2017 21:39
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Top City Homo posted:Christianity at its core is rooted in liberation and ethical relationship between mankind because Judaism at its core is a liberation theology. This is very fascinating. It completes and illuminates some ideas in a way I never considered before.
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Feb 14, 2017 05:33
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