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AtomikKrab
Jul 17, 2010

Keep on GOP rolling rolling rolling rolling.

Enos Cabell posted:

Got a new stand for the 10g I'm taking out to work. Might try adding some shrimp later on, but I'm digging the solo betta for now.



Nice pair of assistants you got for your tank there.

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Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


AtomikKrab posted:

Nice pair of assistants you got for your tank there.

Yeah, we're dog-sitting our parents 20-year-old Westie, and my cat Mei decided to match his energy. They were VERY helpful

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan
who wants to see my hairy mushroom??!?

https://i.imgur.com/ua6jdh2.mp4

the whole piece, the rock, the zoas, the hairy mushroom about 3 inches diameter when fully extended and the leather coral behind it was $100.

The leather is loving pissed cause my powerhead fell down and it was blowing right on it for like 2 hours before i noticed.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

So a few weeks ago I notice a few of my cory cats were suffering from barbel erosion. I moved them into a QT and started treatment. Earlier today, I noticed one of them laying on his side. I know corys are known to "play dead" so I reached in, but no reaction when I touched her and picked her up and took her out of the water to get a better look. Pretty rigid body, not reactions or movement at all. On my way out the door so I put her back in the tank. 4 hours later, get home and get the shovel to bury her in the garden and all cory cats in the tank are alive and well......:iiam:

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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I just bought a group of 6 Hara filamentosa.

They look like tiny little Goonch cats.

All the online info is all over the place. Are they solitary? do they like groups? 2" or 4"?

I know my water should be good for them and I have ways of thinning the herd if need be.

https://aquaticarts.com/products/ha...%2F17%2F2024%29

wish me luck lol

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

The info I’ve seen for Hara jerdoni says they like being in groups so it’s probably also true for your haras. They look pretty cute!

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Those are super cool. They look like little wobbegong sharks.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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I basically abandoned this thread once I stopped buying new stock and have just been doing my 6 month water change and 18 month filter cleaning.

I'm just super excited about this whole new catfish deal. I've been looking for cats that work in both size and my water since my Brachyrhamdia sp. Bolivia died from some seriously aggressive cancer.

There are a million catfish smaller and a million bigger all easily to find and get.

FINALLY something interesting pops up.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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I forgot all about the water changes that happen post-order, when the order is shipped, when it arrives, and then all the acclimation/WC

5g bucket is 40lb lol

getting new fish is fun

z0331
Oct 2, 2003

Holtby thy name
We have a 20g that was been running along reasonably well for about a year now. Residents include cherry barbs, panda corys, a couple otos, and some Amano shrimp.

We have never tried to breed anything, but last year a cherry barb fry made it, bringing them to 10. More recently, we saw that somehow a panda cory fry actually survived. :3:

It’s starting to come out of hiding more. Here it’s noodling around while the others stare at it.



It’s grown enough that it basically is a pint-size version of the adults.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Aquappnic experiment update:
Pond mint is kicking rear end, and the tomato cuttings I tried have started to root.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ56HMdJSdc

B33rChiller fucked around with this message at 18:03 on May 22, 2024

Griffball
Sep 6, 2010
Added some shrimp to an established nano tank. Already thinking of setting up another dedicated shrimp tank.

I'm a shrimp guy now I guess.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.

Griffball posted:

Added some shrimp to an established nano tank. Already thinking of setting up another dedicated shrimp tank.

I'm a shrimp guy now I guess.

Sometimes I think i'm done with shrimp cause I can't seem to keep them alive and sometimes a rando wild type neo shows up in my tank. I suspect there may be a colony in the canister filter.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

I added daphnia to my shrimp tank and that was the wisest decision i've made in a long time

I just net them out once a week and boom instant protien shake for every fish I own

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
Yesterday there was a turtle sunning on the road leading to the apartment complex. So I stopped the car to shoo him towards the grass. I basically saved the lil guy's life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYb6-mgMeFs

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
ugh. so My friend decided to get her 5-year-old a beta for her birthday. okay, not entirely a horrible idea as long as my friend the adult is in charge of cleaning and feeding. So they get a little 2 gallon tank, and a black betta which I told her was a bad idea, mostly because if the fish dies and she wants to replace it without letting the kid know, and that's an ethics question for another time. but a black betta is a lot harder to find than a blue or red one. But whatever.


they've had the fish for about 2 weeks, and just had a bacterial bloom, and when I asked her how many times they feed the fish a day, she said two, and sometimes he gets a treat as well because he loves mysis shrimp. explaining to her that no, you feed the fish once a day, it doesn't matter how much he begs, his stomach is tiny, oh no, her kid loves to feed the betta, and wants to feed him a treat everyday, but if he gets a treat and he doesn't get pellets. as in multiple pellets per meal. I think I might have solved the mystery of how she has a bacteria bloom and the water is very milky, and the kid is freaking out because she doesn't want the betta to die. But don't listen to me, I only have 20 years experience with fish, go ahead and listen to the dude at the pet store who probably gets paid a minimum wage, and told you it's totally fine to feed the betta two times a day if you want.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

The idea parents have of getting a kid a pet in order to teach them responsibility is a good one, but they can't lean poo poo if the parent also is an irresponsible idiot.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Baronjutter posted:

The idea parents have of getting a kid a pet in order to teach them responsibility is a good one, but they can't lean poo poo if the parent also is an irresponsible idiot.

The only thing I can say is as least it's better than a goldfish.

It just annoys the hell out of me because she knows I know what I'm talking about in this instance, but what her kiddo wants for the aquarium is more important than what's good for the fish. of course it has to have purple gravel, and has to have all these little ornaments so it's probably more like a half gallon of water that this fish is swimming in, has no live plants, and being fed so much, I get the feeling this fish is going to have a lot of issues before it has any less.

I got both my niece and nephew bettas when they were younger, but I took care of the fish, and the only time they ever fed the fish is when I was there. I was there everyday Monday through Friday at least, but their parents were both very smart in the fact that they never ever let the kids feed the fish or fed the fish themselves, always told them to wait for Aunt Cowslips to come over.

edit: I did explain to her why feeding the fish two or three times a day is way too much food, and she insisted that the fish is hungry all the time and keeps flaring up and wanting their attention. So I explained again that fish will do this, much like a dog or a cat will act super excited and render their food bowl, it doesn't mean you feed them every single time. we'll see how long this lasts. a horrible part of me is thinking I should put a countdown on how long this fish survives because they're also planning to go on vacation this summer.

Cowslips Warren fucked around with this message at 20:42 on May 23, 2024

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.
I am 100% on board with "starter fish" that are expected to die, they go great with my "starter kids." They both live in tiny boxes and eat pellets,

For real I feed like once or twice a week and everything just grazes on the plants and algae and microfauna in between. Powerfeeding just leads to issues, low and slow like a nice pork loin.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Baronjutter posted:

The idea parents have of getting a kid a pet in order to teach them responsibility is a good one, but they can't lean poo poo if the parent also is an irresponsible idiot.

It’s not a good idea unless there’s a responsible adult with whom the proverbial buck stops at all times, otherwise you end up with a neglected & starving animal because children don’t have fully formed brains and fundamentally cannot and should not be entrusted with the wellbeing of an animal.

The idea of sacrificing an animal’s survival and quality of life on the altar of teaching kids work ethic where “if they die they die” is cruel and wrongheaded at best.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
I shouldn't be surprised she is fine with the overfeeding cause "her baby" loves the fish soooo much she has to feed it all the time.

I told her to water change like 10-20% a week. She wants to do a full tank cleaning cause it's so milky in there with a bacteria bloom. And then maybe 30% a month after that.

Prof. Banks
Apr 22, 2015

Computer lab day! Time to spend 45 minutes trying to load pokemon.com!


Griffball posted:

Added some shrimp to an established nano tank. Already thinking of setting up another dedicated shrimp tank.

I'm a shrimp guy now I guess.

Those little guys are addicting. I'm considering a third (and second shrimp-only) tank.

Speaking of which. Does anyone have any tips on moving a standard ten gallon? With the end of the school year coming up I need to move it out of my classroom and home for the summer. My plan is to drain most of the water into a five gallon bucket and catch out as many shrimp as I can for bucket transport. I'd then drain most of the rest of the water out hopefully making the tank light enough to transport without breaking.

Prof. Banks
Apr 22, 2015

Computer lab day! Time to spend 45 minutes trying to load pokemon.com!


It is however, very tempting to just buy a third tank and just move all the shrimp over for the summer. :hehe:

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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These are beautiful OMG







Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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https://i.imgur.com/RGLie1T.mp4

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Prof. Banks posted:

Those little guys are addicting. I'm considering a third (and second shrimp-only) tank.

Speaking of which. Does anyone have any tips on moving a standard ten gallon? With the end of the school year coming up I need to move it out of my classroom and home for the summer. My plan is to drain most of the water into a five gallon bucket and catch out as many shrimp as I can for bucket transport. I'd then drain most of the rest of the water out hopefully making the tank light enough to transport without breaking.

Two five gallon buckets, with lids. Move water, livestock, rocks etc into buckets. Transport. Set back up.

Have another bucket of water or two ready to go at the destination (I'm mostly salt, if you're fw tap water might be fine)

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Give the shrimp something (like moss) to hold on to during transport and put anything movable or heavy in the other bucket, if your tank is planted you can still drain the water but keep the plants moist with wet paper towel and cling film over the tank to maintain humidity. You probably don’t need to break the tank right down, you just want to be able to move it safely without risk of something moving and making it crack.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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Any livestock you can catch goes into 5g bucket #1 which has been prefilled with tank water. Then you toss all the plants you can in there.

5g bucket #2 gets substrate/rocks/wood and then tank water.

Filter media depends so use your best judgement. A sponge is fine in bucket one, a giant bag of ceramic is not?

If you can space out catching the stock and pulling the plants and removing the substrate to let things clear up you'll have better luck catching more stuff.

HelloIAmYourHeart
Dec 29, 2008
Fallen Rib
Lots of good advice here but I will add: Get a thick piece of plywood a little larger than the base of the tank and use that to carry the tank, especially if you have wet gravel and plants still in it.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:

Lots of good advice here but I will add: Get a thick piece of plywood a little larger than the base of the tank and use that to carry the tank, especially if you have wet gravel and plants still in it.

This is real good advice. You really don't want the tank to twist and seals to break.

Better advice is just buy a bigger tank and toss the old one.

I've moved a LOT of tanks and been successful but I've also completely emptied them and it's always a gamble. If you can afford it just get a new tank. Bigger is better.

Also at least 3 of my new cats are alive, they're very good hiders. Will update when I feed and see who comes out.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Fish tanks, and CRTs with a purple blotch: fuckit, leave it, and get something new at the new place.
Almost guaranteed if you ask a friend to help you move, they're going to have an oopsie before it's out the front door. "Awe jeez, sorry bout that. Well, at least I saved yah having to lug that thing into your new place."

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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The day I tossed a bunch of tanks into a dumpster was a great day.

Prof. Banks
Apr 22, 2015

Computer lab day! Time to spend 45 minutes trying to load pokemon.com!




This is the tank in question, btw. It's a very simple 10 gallon setup. I've had that tank for a looooong time. It's survived a lot, being set up (as an aquarium) at three different locations, set up at another location as the coop for a chick through its first month, moved to a new state and back, drained and left sitting for years on multiple occasions. This is just the first time I'll be moving it and expecting to set it back up when it arrives at its destination. (BTW the spiral val is all pulled up because I hastily got some bunches out to give to a sub I had last week)

I think I'll do what most of you are suggesting. Get a second bucket for the rocks, wood and filter. Catch out the shrimp and put them in tank water in the second bucket. I've got a ton of guppy grass and java moss I can put in there with them so they have a smooth ride.

I don't have gravel, instead I have fluval stratum. I'd rather not have to take that out since 1. I really don't want to have to replant all my plants. And 2. It makes such an ungodly mess when it's disturbed and my little sponge filter does not deal with it well. So I'd like to just keep it in the tank and move them together. I figured drain it completely and saran wrap the top of the tank to keep some moisture in?

I'd just buy a new cheapo 10 gallon, take the shrimp out for the summer, and move them to a new tank if I could. But since they refinish the floors in the summer everything has to be moved out of the way. And at that point it's a matter of moving it 50 yards to the supply closet or 100 yards to my car. Both mean I have to break it down.

Good suggestion on the plywood to keep flexing in check.

If it seems like the stratum/plants are going to be too much I can take them out and move the stratum in a third bucket. And the shrimp can just live in the bucket while the stratum calms down.

Prof. Banks fucked around with this message at 01:05 on May 27, 2024

Prof. Banks
Apr 22, 2015

Computer lab day! Time to spend 45 minutes trying to load pokemon.com!


The best part is that I get to do it all in reverse when school is back in August!

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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A bubble level, a 1/16th sheet of rubber mat, and a handful of cheap shims go a long way.

If you think the 1/16" diff between the left side and the right side of my tank doesn't haunt me every day? Well, you'd mostly be right. Do I wanna deal with like a thousand pounds of bullshit to fix it? No.

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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catfish update:

They're very much not big on me getting near the tank to take pics but at least 4 are left, all "hiding" in the anubias. There is also an apparent power struggle going on in Catfish Cave so I suspect that's the 5th and the Subwassertang keeps throwing up puffs of dust so maybe #6?

Every now and then one comes out to cruise the mid-water, so that's cool.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Prof. Banks posted:



This is the tank in question, btw. It's a very simple 10 gallon setup. I've had that tank for a looooong time. It's survived a lot, being set up (as an aquarium) at three different locations, set up at another location as the coop for a chick through its first month, moved to a new state and back, drained and left sitting for years on multiple occasions. This is just the first time I'll be moving it and expecting to set it back up when it arrives at its destination. (BTW the spiral val is all pulled up because I hastily got some bunches out to give to a sub I had last week)

I think I'll do what most of you are suggesting. Get a second bucket for the rocks, wood and filter. Catch out the shrimp and put them in tank water in the second bucket. I've got a ton of guppy grass and java moss I can put in there with them so they have a smooth ride.

I don't have gravel, instead I have fluval stratum. I'd rather not have to take that out since 1. I really don't want to have to replant all my plants. And 2. It makes such an ungodly mess when it's disturbed and my little sponge filter does not deal with it well. So I'd like to just keep it in the tank and move them together. I figured drain it completely and saran wrap the top of the tank to keep some moisture in?

I'd just buy a new cheapo 10 gallon, take the shrimp out for the summer, and move them to a new tank if I could. But since they refinish the floors in the summer everything has to be moved out of the way. And at that point it's a matter of moving it 50 yards to the supply closet or 100 yards to my car. Both mean I have to break it down.

Good suggestion on the plywood to keep flexing in check.

If it seems like the stratum/plants are going to be too much I can take them out and move the stratum in a third bucket. And the shrimp can just live in the bucket while the stratum calms down.

I just got done moving a 10g from home to work, and this seems like a fine plan to me. I also have fluval stratum substrate and a planted tank, so I just drained the tank to about 1" of water left, shrimp will be fine. I put saran wrap as far down as I could, resting right on top of the plants, and left that in place during the refill so that the water didn't disrupt the substrate. 10g with substrate and a little water is not very heavy at all, I had zero issues carrying and transporting it. Everything looked perfect once it was refilled.


E: got some new plants and redid the scape in my 55g. Also added one of those CO2 tank kits where you mix citric acid and baking soda instead of refilling a pressurized tank.



apologies for the filthy glass, I was too lazy to clean it before I snapped a photo

Enos Cabell fucked around with this message at 17:37 on May 27, 2024

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

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We're at the point where if any of the 6 had died I'd be seeing a bunch of baby MTS.

They're sometimes good hiders.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


I need help, I don’t know wtf is going on.

Just got back from a trip and had to watch my koi slowly die on camera over the course of several days and not be able to do anything on account of being several thousand miles away.

At this time, of the three I left before my trip, only Goldie Spawn remains, and it’s acting unwell. Hanging out near the top, just kinda sitting there mostly. It’ll move if it wants, but it’s the same behavior I saw the other two do on cam before they finally gave up.

Here’s the setting: they’re currently living in a 100-gallon stock tank while I excavate a 2000-gallon monstrosity in my back yard. They’ve been perfectly fine in that tank for some time now, they overwintered in there no problem.

There’s a stacked rock tower they can move around and through, they have plenty of places to hang out and hide and rest.

The tank is strongly filtered and oxygenated, much more than that tank or those fish need. I tested the water just before I left and just after I got back (last night at 3AM), perfect score. Ph, nitrites, nitrates, chlorine, plus a couple others. Absolutely great.

In spite of the apparently perfect chemistry, I did a partial water change last night. One fish had been dead for a day, the other had died while I was traveling (suuuuucks), so I pulled those out and figured I’d at least purge the funk from the tank as best I can. After the change, the water still tested great, and it does this morning as well.

Possible causes:

1, most likely: a week before I left, I was an idiot and introduced a couple new small koi, like 3” at most. I figured they wouldn’t add any appreciable load to the tank for the week while I was gone, and they’d get a head start on integration and growth. I was excited and made a bad choice, didn’t quarantine like I should have. Mysteriously, those two died within 72 hours. I don’t think they were getting harassed or anything, never saw that. I’m worried they brought an infection that is killing my fish from smallest to biggest. However, if there was some condition already at work in the tank, they might have simply been the canaries in the coal mine.

2: I also brought in some new anacharis to get a head start on the growing season. The big koi gobbled it up. I don’t think that’s bad, it certainly didn’t cause any trouble last year, but who knows? I’m also worried they may have eaten the little foam float that was attached to it from the store, I hadn’t gotten around to taking that off when everything started going sideways and then I got distracted. Autopsy later will answer that question.

3: While I was gone and my parents were feeding the koi (every other day, and a measured amount), an idiot bird got itself trapped in the barn, a sparrow or something. It decided to go for a swim in the tank, got caught up in the net, drowned, and laid there for a day or two until my parents fished it out. No clue if anything could have come from that, biological or mechanical or chemical or what.

With (1) being the most obvious cause, of course I’m looking for visible signs of ich or something. As best I can tell, there’s no ich here. But I’m not used to looking for it.

So here are some dead fish pictures, if someone with more experience would be so kind as to weigh in.

Warning: dead fish

The silver/orange one died first, 1-2 days before the other so it sat in the tank for a while. The black/orange one died half a day at most before I was back, so it was fairly fresh.



These fish are both 5-6” long.

The one that died first has some white gunk on its forehead, but again, it sat there stewing for a day or two, so I’m not thinking that’s a symptom of whatever killed it and is just a result of being dead:



The one that was more freshly dead had no such slimy gunk:



I did see that one of them has a kind of thing going on here, not sure what to make of that:




Meanwhile, Goldie is alive and doesn’t appear to show any physical symptoms that I can see.





For scale, that fish is about 8” long.

Just sitting/floating around a lot, not eating at all, etc. I don’t need this fish doing backflips after its whole family died, but I really really really don’t want to lose this one too, it’s absolutely my favorite of all.

What do I do? I’m happy to run to the pet store to get medicine or something if there’s even a chance it’ll help, I just don’t know what to make of it. Absolutely kicking myself for getting excited about the new giant koi pond, thinking I probably killed all my fish in doing so. 😔

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Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

I've got a few thoughts although I don't know that much about koi. The symptoms you're describing generally match both bacterial infection and foreign object ingestion, from what I've read . I wonder if a curious koi would pick feathers off a dead bird? An autopsy should help narrow that down at least. Another possibility is that the anacharis had been treated with pesticide ie something to get rid of pest snails, which might have poisoned the fish, but I don't think that's the case since it doesn't look like a poisoning death to me.

Various dead stuff stayed in the water long enough for all kinds of bacteria to bloom, even without worrying about what the newbies might have brought in, and you're not going to be able to test for those. I think really all you can do about that is to change a ton of water, like a couple of 75% water changes to get rid of possible remaining bacterial load, but considering your surviving fish is already sick, if there were any bacteria, it's likely already inside the fish. Is the pinkish colouring in the white parts of your surviving fish normal? That makes me think of the flushing associated with bacterial infections but also I know my mum's white goldfish have a pink tinge to them most of the time and they aren't sick, so it can be hard to tell. If your fish isn't eating the only way to get medication inside of them is going to be antibiotic injections from a fish vet, and that might not be realistic for you especially since you don't really know what you're treating.

Actually what do the gills in your deceased fish look like? I hate to bring up the idea, but it could be that your new little koi brought a virus into your stock pond, and there's a few carp/koi type viruses that can do a lot of damage in a short amount of time. If there's necrotic gill tissue in your dead fish it could point to one of these viral things, and there's not a lot you can do about that.

I'm sorry you already lost some lovely fish and I really hope you don't lose the last one too.

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