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people can do whatever they want to their bodies. but when you force me to cater to your invented "needs" or refer to you as a woman, then we run into issues troons!
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Legit ask-a-troon question: have you guys ever had the "btw I'm trans" talk with someone that you were hoping to get in a relationship with, and then get dropped like a hot coal? As in, you really thought that the relationship would have gotten somewhere if the whole trans thing wouldn't have gotten in the way?
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acephalousuniverse posted:Please post it. Question in meantime, do you feel as if the fact that you advocate that trans people should not be proud of their identities and instead take a pill to nullify that identity is on a basic level in contradiction to the goals of PRIDE Perhaps, just maybe, I should be proud of my crippling schizophrenia and embrace the voices 
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Maoist Pussy posted:She's just asking questions! Do you have any real examples, posted before you said ppl itt advocate rape? It seems like you don't
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May 29, 2014 23:26
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acephalousuniverse posted:Please post it. Question in meantime, do you feel as if the fact that you advocate that trans people should not be proud of their identities and instead take a pill to nullify that identity is on a basic level in contradiction to the goals of PRIDE PRIDE is trying to advance the rights and freedoms of those in the LGBTQ community. I would imagine that, yes, it would be a contradiction to their goals in some ways, in others it would be the ultimate victory. Because if the person was able to match the gender they were meant to be from the get go, they would have all the rights, freedoms, etc, and none of the institutionalized oppression faced by the LGBTQ community. It stands to reason that fixing the individual is easier than fixing the community with such a small percentage of individuals in the trans community. Edit: Part 3/12 done.
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psyopmonkey posted:I feel like an individual because I am one, not because I look a certain way. Just in case you people forgot that the Op, and by extension, all troons are hypocrits.
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Gimbal lock posted:Legit ask-a-troon question: have you guys ever had the "btw I'm trans" talk with someone that you were hoping to get in a relationship with, and then get dropped like a hot coal? As in, you really thought that the relationship would have gotten somewhere if the whole trans thing wouldn't have gotten in the way? I havent been in many relationships. The ones I have been in I told the person before the first date. One guy said he wasnt interested after I told him and we stopped talking amicably. The other said she didnt care and was rather interested. We dated for a little while and then I had to move overseas again. Shes still a facebook friend though and is big into LGBT stuff now. Its not as "ERMAHGAWD INSANITY RAPE RAPE DEATH CATS BEATINGS" as people are making it out to be. Just act like an adult and it goes fine.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I love everyone, not "those folks". I just want them to get better. So I do what any good person does, which is support the community until such time that we can remove their problems entirely. Y'ever say any of this out loud when they're around? I bet that you don't. I figure you probably realize that they would react with hostility to the idea that they need to be fixed with your magic drug. You've expressed as much numerous times already. And of course, you don't for second consider that maybe they might have a point, and instead choose to believe that this hostility would just be them being angry at you for not being the perfect ally. So you're all smiles and sunshine when they're around, because otherwise they might become ungrateful for all the surely wonderful work that you've done. You think they can't handle this truth that is so self-evident to you. They're better off without you.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:the gender they were meant to be from the get go This is where people are going to see things differently.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:PRIDE is trying to advance the rights and freedoms of those in the LGBTQ community. I would imagine that, yes, it would be a contradiction to their goals in some ways, in others it would be the ultimate victory. Because if the person was able to match the gender they were meant to be from the get go, they would have all the rights, freedoms, etc, and none of the institutionalized oppression faced by the LGBTQ community. It stands to reason that fixing the individual is easier than fixing the community with such a small percentage of individuals in the trans community. Your solution for eliminating bigotry is to eliminate the group that is being victimized, in other words
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Rapist do rationalize their rapes often. Good to see you fit in with rapists.
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Snatch Duster posted:Rapist do rationalize their rapes often. Good to see you fit in with rapists. 
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killyoureparents posted:there's a bunch of retarded faggots in here, but forums user acephalousuniverse may be the biggest retarded human being of all, eclipsing even the faggots that cut their own dicks off... im def a human being, and i'd like to repost my request that you please post more wannabe fyad memes because all of the ones youve posted so far are very funny
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psyopmonkey posted:The other said she didnt care and was rather interested. Interestingly enough the ones who would date troons have hosts of their own problems. typically they are involved in fruitless LGBTQ movements, take queer studies in university and generally have messed up lives (poor finances for instance). these people achieve nothing; it's very sad 
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acephalousuniverse posted:Do you have any real examples, posted before you said ppl itt advocate rape? It seems like you don't Sure. LF, GBS 1.0, the e/n troon thread, and of course the entirety of reddit were just riddled with advocates of rape-by-fraud. If you oppose such behavior, then I apologize for assuming that you, like most tranfans I have encountered, are in favor of rape when it suits your agenda.
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Maoist Pussy posted:Sure. LF, GBS 1.0, the e/n troon thread, and of course the entirety of reddit were just riddled with advocates of rape-by-fraud. If you oppose such behavior, then I apologize for assuming that you, like most tranfans I have encountered, are in favor of rape when it suits your agenda. so you still don't have any actual examples, including any from this thread which is the one you said had people advocating rape
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Maoist Pussy posted:Sure. LF, GBS 1.0, the e/n troon thread, and of course the entirety of reddit were just riddled with advocates of rape-by-fraud. If you oppose such behavior, then I apologize for assuming that you, like most tranfans I have encountered, are in favor of rape when it suits your agenda. Yes! the e/n troon thread is the stuff of nightmare. there was a troon who advocated not telling their sex partners that they were a troon until actual physical penetration had occurred.
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acephalousuniverse posted:Your solution for eliminating bigotry is to eliminate the group that is being victimized, in other words EMILY BLUNTS posted:This is where people are going to see things differently. Plom Bar posted:Y'ever say any of this out loud when they're around? I bet that you don't. I figure you probably realize that they would react with hostility to the idea that they need to be fixed with your magic drug. You've expressed as much numerous times already. And of course, you don't for second consider that maybe they might have a point, and instead choose to believe that this hostility would just be them being angry at you for not being the perfect ally. So you're all smiles and sunshine when they're around, because otherwise they might become ungrateful for all the surely wonderful work that you've done. You think they can't handle this truth that is so self-evident to you. We are not doing anything as coarse as "eliminating" the group being victimized. Stop being a victim. The group is being converted from an oppressed class to a non-oppressed class using the mental-realignment drug. This 30-day drug allows the mind to recognize the genetic makeup of the body, and recognize the mistakes it was making, fix itself, and voila! Problems solved. Body dysmorphia solved, no needs for hormones, SRS, therapy, nothing! A life of happy normalcy, relationships, love, children, the works. If you are angry about that, maybe you don't actually know enough trans people to really love them enough to do what is right for them, as opposed to what they want. Sometimes it takes a person or a group of people to come along to make hard decisions about the fate of another group of people that will make their lives better, in the end. This would help them. They may disagree initially, but would they would see it. part 7/12 done.
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*penis inside mangled penis* troon: I used to be a man  VVV the aforementioned is an actual example! i forget the troons name but xe had a very scary Dr. Franke-N-furter look! Fireless Phoenix fucked around with this message at 23:39 on May 29, 2014 |
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acephalousuniverse posted:so you still don't have any actual examples, including any from this thread which is the one you said had people advocating rape I don't know, man, I am not taking notes here.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:We are not doing anything as coarse as "eliminating" the group being victimized. Stop being a victim. The group is being converted from an oppressed class to a non-oppressed class using the mental-realignment drug. This 30-day drug allows the mind to recognize the genetic makeup of the body, and recognize the mistakes it was making, fix itself, and voila! Problems solved. Body dysmorphia solved, no needs for hormones, SRS, therapy, nothing! A life of happy normalcy, relationships, love, children, the works. If you are angry about that, maybe you don't actually know enough trans people to really love them enough to do what is right for them, as opposed to what they want. Sometimes it takes a person or a group of people to come along to make hard decisions about the fate of another group of people that will make their lives better, in the end. This would help them. They may disagree initially, but would they would see it. Your way of advocating for the rights and freedoms of a group is by forcing them to take a drug against their will which fundamentally changes the way their brain works.
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Fireless Phoenix posted:Interestingly enough the ones who would date troons have hosts of their own problems. typically they are involved in fruitless LGBTQ movements, take queer studies in university and generally have messed up lives (poor finances for instance). these people achieve nothing; it's very sad Thats why I stay away from the "trans community". Ive noticed the same thing. Its a bunch of Baristas with Art Degrees, unemployed people, social security leeches, and other people I prefer not to deal with. It seems like there is a very small population of trans people that are in STEM related fields. Even the figure heads of the trans community are in the entertainment industry.  The only thing I have in common with these people is the fact that Im trans too.
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acephalousuniverse posted:Your way of advocating for the rights and freedoms of a group is by forcing them to take a drug against their will which fundamentally changes the way their brain works. I think a more accurate statement is that it corrects the way their brain works. It is no more different than if we required a vaccine that prevented developmental disorders (If plom is to be believed).
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:We are not doing anything as coarse as "eliminating" the group being victimized. Stop being a victim. The group is being converted from an oppressed class to a non-oppressed class using the mental-realignment drug. This 30-day drug allows the mind to recognize the genetic makeup of the body, and recognize the mistakes it was making, fix itself, and voila! Problems solved. Body dysmorphia solved, no needs for hormones, SRS, therapy, nothing! A life of happy normalcy, relationships, love, children, the works. If you are angry about that, maybe you don't actually know enough trans people to really love them enough to do what is right for them, as opposed to what they want. Sometimes it takes a person or a group of people to come along to make hard decisions about the fate of another group of people that will make their lives better, in the end. This would help them. They may disagree initially, but would they would see it. Organisms have a biological imperative to reproduce. In humans, this process is generally facilitated by sexual attraction to the opposite gender. But on occasion, something doesn't quite go the way it's supposed to, resulting in people who experience sexual attraction to the same gender. These people are subject to all sorts of nasty discrimination as a result of this little mishap that is by no means their fault. By your logic, these people should have a drug made for them that corrects this little mistake, allows their brain to recognize the gender they're supposed to be attracted to all along and voila! Discrimination solved! You're human poo poo. If you actually think that any of this is benevolent at all, you also might be a sociopath.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I think a more accurate statement is that it corrects the way their brain works. It is no more different than if we required a vaccine that prevented developmental disorders (If plom is to be believed). Even granting that what you say is true, the concept of using force to "correct" transgender people so that they see themselves in the way you want them to is literally the opposite of advocating for their rights and freedoms and self-pride.
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acephalousuniverse posted:Even granting that what you say is true, the concept of using force to "correct" transgender people so that they see themselves in the way you want them to is literally the opposite of advocating for their rights and freedoms and self-pride. They will have rights and freedoms with their correct gender assignment. I am not determining it. Nature did. Their brain made a mistake and we are fixing what their brain could not interpret. It is no different than any other mental disorder. I don't think you appreciate the fragility of the mental conditions in the trans community.
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psyopmonkey posted:Thats why I stay away from the "trans community". Ive noticed the same thing. you're p cool that way op i gotta say
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Plom Bar posted:people who experience sexual attraction to the same gender. These people are subject to all sorts of nasty discrimination as a result of this little mishap that is by no means their fault. By your logic, these people should have a drug made for them that corrects this little mistake, allows their brain to recognize the gender they're supposed to be attracted to all along and voila! Discrimination solved! We have been over this. Gay people don't try to rape straight people, so they aren't a problem. Also, where the hell do you live that there is discrimination in TYOOL 2014, haha.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:They will have rights and freedoms with their correct gender assignment. I am not determining it. Nature did. Their brain made a mistake and we are fixing what their brain could not interpret. It is no different than any other mental disorder. I don't think you appreciate the fragility of the mental conditions in the trans community. By the way, did you happen to read that paper I linked a while ago? Here it is again: Plom Bar posted:Also, as promised: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21334362
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Plom Bar posted:Organisms have a biological imperative to reproduce. In humans, this process is generally facilitated by sexual attraction to the opposite gender. But on occasion, something doesn't quite go the way it's supposed to, resulting in people who experience sexual attraction to the same gender. These people are subject to all sorts of nasty discrimination as a result of this little mishap that is by no means their fault. By your logic, these people should have a drug made for them that corrects this little mistake, allows their brain to recognize the gender they're supposed to be attracted to all along and voila! Discrimination solved! You have been over-reacting and over-reaching throughout this entire thread. I do not understand why. It is possible that is simply how you communicate. If that is, I will simply bare it because that is my lot in life. They deal with horrible discrimination and yes, it is by no means their fault. This is nothing about fault or criminalization. This is about getting people who are suffering to stop suffering, and instead getting them to feel good again as fast as possible. If you cannot see that, you are choosing to be blind.
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Maoist Pussy posted:We have been over this. Gay people don't try to rape straight people, so they aren't a problem. Also, where the hell do you live that there is discrimination in TYOOL 2014, haha. I'm not talking about your obsessions with trans rape anymore, and I live on Earth.
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Plom Bar posted:By the way, did you happen to read that paper I linked a while ago? Here it is again: Yes, I did see that paper. I also noticed the lack of documentation around transgenderism as a recognized coding and instead would be a failure of the brain. So that again establishes it as a mental condition. Perhaps you should cite more carefully if you are going to "advocate" for your side.
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Maoist Pussy posted:We have been over this. Gay people don't try to rape straight people, so they aren't a problem. Also, where the hell do you live that there is discrimination in TYOOL 2014, haha. Uhh wasn't there a gay mod or guy with huge post count who got drove off the forums for posting about how he got his straight friends drunk and had sex with them
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:You have been over-reacting and over-reaching throughout this entire thread. troon is irrational and lacks a grip on reality. news at 11.
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acephalousuniverse posted:Uhh wasn't there a gay mod or guy with huge post count who got drove off the forums for posting about how he got his straight friends drunk and had sex with them Aleph Null I think, or was that Jon Pop? Was Aleph Null the trans person with the wife he brow-beated to stay with him? or her? I don't remember if he was mft or ftm.
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acephalousuniverse posted:Uhh wasn't there a gay mod or guy with huge post count who got drove off the forums for posting about how he got his straight friends drunk and had sex with them True
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:You have been over-reacting and over-reaching throughout this entire thread. I do not understand why. It is possible that is simply how you communicate. If that is, I will simply bare it because that is my lot in life. And suddenly I realize that you actually do advocate making a drug that "cures" homosexuality. I really hope those images include some contact information.
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