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It's just good storytelling. They built things up, they made you care about them, they didn't violate that time commitment by giving you a bullshit ending to the stories. Everything they did made sense, all the way down to the 40 second squash match. The work was exceptional, everything paid off, no distractions or gently caress finishes. They made every single second of that show feel significant. Content wise, a two-hour network show is roughly the same length as a three-hour raw and instead of cramming so much lovely filler in, they took advantage of every last bit of time made available to them and people stayed 100% into it throughout because of it.
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I genuinely curious how you guys are construing HHH's tweet to be in any way a negative thing.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I genuinely curious how you guys are construing HHH's tweet to be in any way a negative thing. Meh it's not really negative but I just found it pandering. I'm just way too down on WWE right now to have any faith that these guy's performances will effect their career in the long term. Meltzer talked about it on the Observer, how HHH making comments like "Sami is very talented but it will take a while for him to get over". The same kind of comments they made about Cesaro, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. So yeah HHH makes his brass ring comments but we'll see how it plays out when the guys finally get out of NXT. Edit: And thinking about it, really I think what annoyed me about what he said was just the obvious dig at CM Punk, it's all just so petty. triplexpac fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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I read HHH's comments about Zayn getting over as despair that Vince got a new saline solution to sleep in and doctors have added another 50 years to his life expectancy.
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triplexpac posted:Meh it's not really negative but I just found it pandering. I'm just way too down on WWE right now to have any faith that these guy's performances will effect their career in the long term. I took the "Sami will take a while to get over" as being in a single match. He's really just completely generic looking and people aren't going to be interested in him. When he performs, and when he goes hard in the ring, his storytelling is fantastic and it sucks you in. It's the Bryan situation all over again. Indie followers know who he his and know how good he is, but your RAW viewer doesn't. They see him and they scoffed him off at the start. By the end of the match he had you cheering and screaming your head off. triplexpac posted:Edit: And thinking about it, really I think what annoyed me about what he said was just the obvious dig at CM Punk, it's all just so petty. And most of CM Punk's interviews was taking digs at HHH. The two don't like each other. I'm sure you have plenty of petty grudges.
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sami is over as the bunny. neville will debut as a guy in a giant armadillo foam suit. kevin owens will dance in a giant diaper.
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I kind wish they would just call up Breeze... he's really getting lost in the shuffle with all these big names coming in, he's not going to sniff the NXT title anytime soon so he might as well graduate. I love that guy, and I was sad he didn't get anything to do on the event last night.
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if they call up breeze they will probably put him against ryback and he will get triple shell shocked along with rutherford ps hayes and cm skunk
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triplexpac posted:I kind wish they would just call up Breeze... he's really getting lost in the shuffle with all these big names coming in, he's not going to sniff the NXT title anytime soon so he might as well graduate. I love that guy, and I was sad he didn't get anything to do on the event last night. I hope they don't because his character has had no growth since he debuted. If they moved him to the main roster, he'd basically become Emma. Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Call Me Charlie posted:I hope they don't because his character has had no growth since he debuted. If they moved him to the main roster, he would basically become Emma.
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Call Me Charlie posted:I hope they don't because his character has had no growth since he debuted. If they moved him to the main roster, he would basically become Emma. Honestly at this point they should just keep all these guys in NXT and insulate them from Vince so I can watch them and not get enraged when they're fed to Cena, or in Breeze's case, Miz.
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They've been teasing Breeze being a ladykiller with Natalya half-way behind Tyson's back and half-way in front of his face, and with the amount of backstage couples they have today, he wouldn't run out of feuds too quickly. They do need to fill out his character though, because as mentioned simply being a nonchalant male model has a short shelf life.
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I dunno, I feel like Breeze had SOME development... like obviously he's still a male model, but weren't they pushing him as more "serious" when he was in that main event triple threat? I seem to remember them really putting over his skill and he would beat the crap out of guys, rather than being the wimp who wanted to protect his face all the time.
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If his character gets too stale he can just start wrestling in a collared shirt as the New and Improved Tyler Breeze.
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One of the things I forgot to mention that I loved is after Sami won there was a literal DANCE PARTY in the stands. That music owns so much and it just made the moment that much happier. 
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Another nice little touch, and you can check this out in the gif thread, when all the people were coming to celebrate, Owens rushes to get their first and when he gets on the apron, Zayn takes a defensive step back. I know it's the WWE and Raw is the meat grinder, but shows like this give me hope. I should know better, but I'll always have Wrestlemania 30 (live in person!)
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Spikeguy posted:Another nice little touch, and you can check this out in the gif thread, when all the people were coming to celebrate, Owens rushes to get their first and when he gets on the apron, Zayn takes a defensive step back. I know it's the WWE and Raw is the meat grinder, but shows like this give me hope. I should know better, but I'll always have Wrestlemania 30 (live in person!) Word. 
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SamuraiFoochs posted:One of the things I forgot to mention that I loved is after Sami won there was a literal DANCE PARTY in the stands. That music owns so much and it just made the moment that much happier. Yeah I mentioned this to my wife as we were watching it... just looking at the pure joy of the people in the stands, it was awesome. It's hard to give smarky crowds like that a moment that they legitimately get into, but this worked. The only comparison I can think of is Daniel Bryan this year, and WWE more or less stumbled into that.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:One of the things I forgot to mention that I loved is after Sami won there was a literal DANCE PARTY in the stands. That music owns so much and it just made the moment that much happier. For as much as I thought his music hurts the "big match feel"-ness when he dances to the ring for his entrance, it makes it up and more by being loving amazing as a cathartic post-match party theme
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Caught this today and loved the show start to finish. Sasha Banks is real great at being a heel, Sami is even greater at being a face and Kevin Owens' nose will not stop bleeding and that scares me.
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Blasmeister posted:Caught this today and loved the show start to finish. Sasha Banks is real great at being a heel, Sami is even greater at being a face and Kevin Owens' nose will not stop bleeding and that scares me. He loved Sami so much that his stitches burst open Seriously they shot a video of HHH watching him get stitches during the Tag Title match.
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OctoberCountry posted:If his character gets too stale he can just start wrestling in a collared shirt as the New and Improved Tyler Breeze. You jest, but if they could book the tag division worth a poo poo I still think him and Fandango would be hilarious together. They'd form a mutual respect based on the fact that Fandango and Rosa aren't uggos.
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Nerokerubina posted:For as much as I thought his music hurts the "big match feel"-ness when he dances to the ring for his entrance, it makes it up and more by being loving amazing as a cathartic post-match party theme Haha yeah I was thinking the same thing... trying to picture that ending celebration if they gave Sami like... Randy Orton's theme or something. Some generic rock song.
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triplexpac posted:Haha yeah I was thinking the same thing... trying to picture that ending celebration if they gave Sami like... Randy Orton's theme or something. Some generic rock song. Even with a good theme like, say, Balor's, or something, it would still feel like "a wrestler is celebrating i guess" instead of what it was which was the literal happiest moment of 2014
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I genuinely curious how you guys are construing HHH's tweet to be in any way a negative thing. Triple H brings that out of people better than anyone. He knows it, and I think he enjoys it. Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Another reason Alex Riley is terrible: He called a Michinoku Driver a powerbomb.
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sticklefifer posted:Another reason Alex Riley is terrible: He called a Michinoku Driver a powerbomb. It's even worse because he's used a Michinoku Driver before so he should know better
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WadeBartender posted:It's even worse because he's used a Michinoku Driver before so he should know better Alex Riley got confused during a brawl and hit the michinoku driver on a member of his own faction
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Michinoku drivers are for people who don't even speak English.
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Basic Chunnel posted:When you get a chip on your shoulder about being invested in wrestling despite knowing that it's rigged, you have to enjoy the product the right way, with the right disconnect, and that means compulsively pointing out works and ribs wherever they might be and working out what real significance they have backstage. It's like the prograps equivalent of dudes at concerts standing in the back with their arms crossed. It lets everybody know you appreciate the music, but that you've got too much dignity to, you know, dance. It's too serious for that lol
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Michinoku drivers are for people who don't even speak English. I don't know, I couldn't understand half of what Riley was saying last night.
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epitasis posted:it's not really competition or motivation because the main roster has to compete with one arm pinned behind their back by the Office all the time so it's more likely to breed resentment or disillusionment or bitterness
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Show was rad as gently caress. I marked out when Owens turned on Sami. So much history there. I caught a replay, so they censored everything Sami said towards the end of the match. What'd he say?
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Well thanks for making GBS threads all over my excitement with logic and reality, jerkface.  DEAR RICHARD posted:Show was rad as gently caress. I marked out when Owens turned on Sami. So much history there. Was also censored "live" (likely 3-5 second delay). No idea.
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DEAR RICHARD posted:Show was rad as gently caress. I marked out when Owens turned on Sami. So much history there. He muttered "god dammit" once or twice.
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He also screamed "gently caress THAT" when he decided to not hit Neville with the belt. Lotta cussing.
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He also said "Get up motherfucker"
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El Generico was never that filthy
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oatgan posted:El Generico was never that filthy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTR7xg2NZ3Y&feature=youtu.be&t=60s
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Is there any where I can watch the Steen Generico feud without having to buy 20 dvds?
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