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Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

AMapleWithAName posted:

That counts as 'abysmal luck', my friend. May RNJesus save you.

Does anyone know when Pyrolysis comes out? I want to know if I should be grinding harder to level/mastery my Virtuosa and Lin, because I hear they're both quite good for Pyrolysis and Underdawn.

It was teased for early June.

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AMapleWithAName
Aug 16, 2021

You're on a path in the woods.
Il Siracusano first, then. Can’t wait to clap Zaaro’s cheeks in revenge for how badly he beat me the first time.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.

Clarste posted:

Or keep all the most meta units in a box at level 1 so you can laugh at people internally.

I am comforted by the low hum of the 9 Power Plants in my base as I look down on the rabble who are slaves to the "Factory/Trading Post" meta.

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.
but what do you with all that power, goferchan

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Took me a bit but finished the event. Pretty solid but I think ultimately i'm just not that into the Leithanien stuff though there was some cool points here.

Am surprised that Lessing has proved himself to be the coolest of the new 6*s, but I appreciate it because I used everything I had on Hoederer.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Is it just me or are the EX stages extremely easy

ungulateman
Apr 18, 2012

pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is

Ibblebibble posted:

Is it just me or are the EX stages extremely easy

the pillars are tilted in your favour pretty hard except for on ex-7 where a million dipshits permanently prevent you from using them, so you get to smash enemies with huge stat buffs the rest of the time

Wollawolla
Jan 15, 2007

Are you gonna smash my skull and breathe my blood-mist?
What is the strat for beating IS4's 2nd boss? I've come close to beating him a couple of times, but in both instances he squirted away from my foldertal shield guard during his last unblockable phase before I could burst him down. Can he be tanked at spawn indefinitely?

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
I believe the intended method is to tank him separately at multiple points, taking advantage of his relatively low damage to slowly and carefully play hopscotch with your defensive line. That said, one trick some people use is the fact that the only CC he's vulnerable to while running is Levitate, which means if you time it right you can tank him at one spot the entire time. I've never managed to time it right though.

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe
if you tank him with a multiblock operator, drop them at the first time he's blockable on and do not point any AOE damage at that tile. your tank will pick up some random trash enemies which you need to stay alive, because some of those katana freeze-shattering guys from frostnova's chapter will spawn in the same lane and if your frozen tank blocks them you're probably done.

e: the other way to easily die here is to get your healer killed by the swarms of explody spiders that start at the bottom spawn and walk up the middle column. you need a way to deal with them that doesn't involve your healer getting blown up, so either spawncamp them or let them walk past your healer or apply lappland or something.

wait for everything else to die, then start applying damage at 1x speed. be ready to stall him at two more points at least five tiles apart, because he'll sprint at 75%/50%/25%.

Reiterpallasch fucked around with this message at 21:22 on May 10, 2024

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Mymla posted:

I don't get people who slam down 12 e2 90 meta operators on every map. That sounds like an incredibly boring way to play the game. Weaker operators are more fun to use, generally speaking.

I did this on the new annihilation, and it worked really well actually.

I use plenty of non-meta operators, but they have to have interesting kits. If they're weak AND boring there's just no appeal.

That said I did find one area where Viviana is pretty solid: smacking dem balls. If you hit her with an Aak buff she has a very high number of attacks per second which makes her great for smacking the witch king's balls around. I think Chong Yue is still better but eh, with their ranges you can use them both. My ZT-EX-8 CM clear was chaotic as hell but I did use Viviana as a key player, so I feel like I've done my due diligence and can put her away forever.

Terry van Feleday
Jun 6, 2010

Free Your Mind

Reiterpallasch posted:

wait for everything else to die, then start applying damage at 1x speed. be ready to stall him at two more points at least five tiles apart, because he'll sprint at 75%/50%/25%.
More accurately, his sprint triggers at 70%, 40%, and 10% health.

The final nuance is that he is still affected by non-targeted movespeed reductions like Ines, Manticore's module etc, so Mostima in particular is said to be quite effective at preventing him from going anywhere.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Terry van Feleday posted:

More accurately, his sprint triggers at 70%, 40%, and 10% health.

The final nuance is that he is still affected by non-targeted movespeed reductions like Ines, Manticore's module etc, so Mostima in particular is said to be quite effective at preventing him from going anywhere.

He's honestly the easiest ending 2 boss by far once you learn how to fight him. Walmart Frostnova, Big Sad Lock, and The Last Knight can all be pretty nasty, but the stall strategy for this guy is just incredibly easy unless you draw zero healers or something.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

The Moon Monster posted:

He's honestly the easiest ending 2 boss by far once you learn how to fight him. Walmart Frostnova, Big Sad Lock, and The Last Knight can all be pretty nasty, but the stall strategy for this guy is just incredibly easy unless you draw zero healers or something.

What if all your tanks are too strong?

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe
your tank will be permanently frozen, so they won't do any attack or skill damage. hoshiguma s2 might be a bad time, not sure if that activates while she's frozen, but you could simply...pick another skill.

you also don't even really need a good tank at lower difficulties, you could definitely just throw melanthia or spot or something down at asc 0 and it would be fine. cuora + perfumer was working well for me at ~10 or so. i haven't done ending 2 at 15 yet.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Reiterpallasch posted:

your tank will be permanently frozen, so they won't do any attack or skill damage. hoshiguma s2 might be a bad time, not sure if that activates while she's frozen, but you could simply...pick another skill.

you also don't even really need a good tank at lower difficulties, you could definitely just throw melanthia or spot or something down at asc 0 and it would be fine. cuora + perfumer was working well for me at ~10 or so. i haven't done ending 2 at 15 yet.

Yup, tank just freezes immediately so it's a non-issue. I don't know if Hoshi's thorns would do enough damage to matter, maybe? If you're playing on difficulty 3 Ansel and one of the generic tank operators is more than enough to stall him with, although your collectibles affect this of course.

AParadox
Jan 7, 2012

The Moon Monster posted:

Yup, tank just freezes immediately so it's a non-issue. I don't know if Hoshi's thorns would do enough damage to matter, maybe? If you're playing on difficulty 3 Ansel and one of the generic tank operators is more than enough to stall him with, although your collectibles affect this of course.

Yeah I had hoshi s2 kill the blocked collapsal mooks before all the elite Ice cleavers passed by and then she blocked two of them while frozen.

BisbyWorl
Jan 12, 2019

Knowledge is pain plus observation.


AParadox posted:

Yeah I had hoshi s2 kill the blocked collapsal mooks before all the elite Ice cleavers passed by and then she blocked two of them while frozen.

Also if you pick up the relic that deals 150 damage to a random target on heal it'll chip down the mooks.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.
Thanks everyone for the recommendation on sparking Skadi. I think the stat buff she gives is just one of those things I had to see in-game to understand how significant it is; it was hard to quantify how impactful it is on paper but turns out it's very very good.

rio
Mar 20, 2008

Just got my third Viviana - starting to doubt any of the other 6 stars on banner are real and I am hallucinating other people got anyone other than her.

Novasol
Jul 27, 2006


rio posted:

Just got my third Viviana - starting to doubt any of the other 6 stars on banner are real and I am hallucinating other people got anyone other than her.

Desire sensor is real. Free your mind of want and good rolls will come to you.




wish I could have gotten Nearl at some point

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

rio posted:

Just got my third Viviana - starting to doubt any of the other 6 stars on banner are real and I am hallucinating other people got anyone other than her.

On the Pozyomka/Gavial banner I got max potential Pozyomka but zero Gavials. Losing a bunch of coin flips in a row sucks but it can happen.

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this
In the end I had to go all the way to 300 for Virtuosa.
And I got PMax+2 Vivianas in the process.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

To those of you who are getting Viviana and not Virtuosa... I'm so sorry. I keep trying to tell her I want to see the other 6*, but,

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

ahem

anyways I finished the story and I liked it a lot! but it did suffer from, if anything, being too short? Like, I enjoyed the confluence of characters and story it's trying to tell, but the emotional impact didn't land for some of them because there just wasn't enough time or space to get to care about 'em.

Indecisive
May 6, 2007


i dont think ive heard anyone else accuse this story of being too short lol

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
I could see it being split into two events that are each slightly more fleshed out.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

I would have liked the story if they either cut Viviana's part entirely or changed it and fleshed it out significantly. It didn't really land the way the Sankta and Ebenholz parts did for me.

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



I've also just finished the event's story, and the best part is when Hibiscus turns up at the end of this drama-fest and is Normal.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.
What are the preferred squads for higher-level IS4 clears? I've just been rotating through them trying to get the completion marks but I'm on BN9 now and feel like I need to start taking any advantage I can get

AMapleWithAName
Aug 16, 2021

You're on a path in the woods.
One of the preferred starting squads is Reedalter + any 2-block guard + Orchid for early Arts AoE + healing + slow, which IS4 wants. After that, probably add a good 3-block defender (Saria, Jessicalter) and roll from there in my opinion. Not sure about late game, though.

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe
I think the safest, most reliable start when pushing for 15 is probably the +2 hope/+20 ingots squad with reed2/popukar/orchid. The extra money is pretty great now that all shops offer you a free, full shop refresh. The squad that gives you extra anti-interference every floor is also really strong imo and more likely to get you a ridiculously overpowered RNG run, but if you aren't offered extra hope at the beginning you can't afford to recruit a 6* unit which is an extreme bummer.

Reed kind of has it all as a starter, in a similar vein as Gavial in IS3--even at e1 she shits on the entirety of floor 1, including emergency ops*, she's almost always capable of handling the worst floor 2 stage (Unwell, the one with a zillion civillians), the floor 1 shop is heavily weighted towards medic tickets so your odds of a early promotion are good, and her s3 is very potent in a lot of the worst late-run stages as well as boss 1.

* emergency op prisoner's night is contingent on being offered a melee ticket after the first stage, emergency op beast awaiting slaughter is contingent on max potential popukar

Another popular start is specialist/caster squad aiming to build towards a lin/aak core but you have to play a lot more cautiously on floor 1 if you're going for that.

edit: i think you have to take popukar specifically, not midnight, otherwise you'll leak on beast awaiting slaughter and some variants on ghosts of the resort

Reiterpallasch fucked around with this message at 00:52 on May 15, 2024

HundredBears
Feb 14, 2012
If you're starting to have trouble on BN9, it's not a bad idea to go with the free-promotions squad* or the class-specific ones. I'm not at all sure that they're the best choices for someone who knows what they're doing on BN15, but they're pretty strong, straightforward to use and they often let you get ahead of the power curve fairly early so you can save your anti-interference index for Bosky Passages and especially high-value jumps, wait until you have concords to get the most out of your foldartals**, confidently take Emergency ops etc.

*this one is especially nice early because it lets you spend down your hope below 3 without worrying that you'll miss a chance to promote a key operator if you get the voucher before you get more
**you might have noticed this already, but just in case, good foldartal management is a big deal: you could get two hope out of the red one that gives hope, or combine it with another red one to get four, or combine it and hit multiple nodes and use an index to jump paths and go through two of them to get eight, or use the combined one on a node you've also hit with the double-hope foldartal combo to get eight, etc.

aparmenideanmonad
Jan 28, 2004
Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!
Fun Shoe
I managed to get Specter alter on my last pull. I have Gladiia built with module but no other hunters. Any thoughts on which skill and accompanying module to build on Spalter?

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

For general use I would go with S2 which is her invuln + doll swap skill and the module that boosts the doll's aoe arts damage (I never remember the module letters). If you want to go all-in on AH I prefer S3 and the other module to make her into a laneholder.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

For sure, S2+the doll swap module is extremely strong.

Gladiia and Specter are the most important parts of the Abyssal Hunters squad, but with just two characters I'm not sure how worthwhile it is building for.

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005
I thought Spalter was a limited?

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
All limited banners have a small chance to pull other previous limiteds (from a small set of them). Specter2 was on the same banner as Virtuosa.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

The Moon Monster posted:

For sure, S2+the doll swap module is extremely strong.

Gladiia and Specter are the most important parts of the Abyssal Hunters squad, but with just two characters I'm not sure how worthwhile it is building for.

I get a whole lot of mileage from just Gladiia and Specter2, the amount of damage and survivability they provide for the amount of DP they cost is hard to match even without Skadi's buff on top of it

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aparmenideanmonad
Jan 28, 2004
Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!
Fun Shoe
I would have preferred literally any of the others since I had none of them, but not gonna complain about grabbing any limited on a random free pull. She seems fun to use even if she's less obviously powerful. At least I successfully fought down the urge to spark and be left with a handful of pulls. Gotta be ready for all the cool kids coming up.

The Chairman posted:

I get a whole lot of mileage from just Gladiia and Specter2, the amount of damage and survivability they provide for the amount of DP they cost is hard to match even without Skadi's buff on top of it

As someone who started with Mountain this does appeal to me, but by the same token I kinda have a guy for that already. Will try out the S2 shenanigans and save the S3 masteries and module for later, maybe after I have more hunters to mess with.

aparmenideanmonad fucked around with this message at 02:36 on May 16, 2024

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