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Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn
It is also funny how they saw the Landspeeder in Star Wars, and then put a Land Speeder into the game. But you see, it isn't a speeder that speeds over land. No, no, a guy named Land found the plans for it once.

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

FrancisFukyomama posted:

my fav gauss gun is the necron one from 40k that has zero resemblance to what a gauss gun is and was clearly named by some 80s writer who thought gauss guns were just a fictional sci-fi term and not a real thing

I think they later retconned it to being named after a guy named gauss that discovered them in universe

But... Gauss is also named after Mr Gauss

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
See also: the Chainsword, named for it's inventor, Derek Chain.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Orange Devil posted:

The sound design was so goddamn satisfying.

Gimme that background hum all day.

amen the firing sound is half the joy of using that thing

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Drawing depicting 'prank' performed by Australian Defence Force personnel shortlisted for Napier Waller Prize


quote:

The work, titled The Impossible sit-up challenge, explores what artist Steven Bostock describes as the "blurry line of camaraderie and the abuse culture, which exist in the army".

The picture, which can be viewed on the war memorial's website, shows five soldiers participating in a "prank" in 2007.

It features a blindfolded soldier lying on the ground while a naked comrade squats over him.

"The prank involves convincing a soldier there is an impossible sit-up challenge that is yet to be conquered. Ego in check, the soldier lays down and attempts to do a sit-up blindfolded,'' the artist's description states.

The art prize's website includes a warning before visitors click through to the drawing, due to its graphic nature.

The Australian War Memorial's head of art Laura Webster said the picture had been shortlisted based on artistic merit and the subject matter.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

FF is this true

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

mawarannahr posted:

FF is this true

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

What would Australian FF's gimmick be

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Our hazing ritual was way tamer, all you had to do was hang upside down on a tree like a koala for a long time. It was called koalafying (pronounced like qualifying). Hell a koala is from Australia, someone figure out what the hell is going on "down under" and shut it down!

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

The Oldest Man posted:

What would Australian FF's gimmick be

Submarine specialist

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

The Oldest Man posted:

What would Australian FF's gimmick be

artillery is about blasting out hot stuff from the front of a phallic object, so a down under-ff would probably be all about rocketry since that's basically the reverse

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
also a hardcore prod and prussia enthusiast

Tsitsikovas
Aug 2, 2023
A 10,000 word post on the historical reasons why australians say "no" like assholes

Peyote Panda
Mar 10, 2019

Oh man, I remember this prank being referred to as "The Russian Sit-Up" among USAF troops back in the 1980s.

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

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Cerebral Bore posted:

also a hardcore prod and prussia enthusiast

I swear I've met someone like this who worked for the RNZAF.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
bizarro FF still uses his original account but no one refers to him by it.

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
NAFO is truly spiralling off into all directions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX-O6dXwWDA

Russia's ability to use rotary wing aviation is bad, actually.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
that guy is ok and even funny sometimes when i watch him play flight sims but yeah once the politics starts its straight nato talking points

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
Many such cases.

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

NAFO is truly spiralling off into all directions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX-O6dXwWDA

Russia's ability to use rotary wing aviation is bad, actually.

It's very funny how the majority of the video is just "because they understand that helicopters are good"

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️
tl;dr

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I am the "I just want to see Elon Musk sell the rope to hang Washington with" tankie.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




FF have you done any research into pre gunpowder artillery like roman tormenta et al. and the doctrine for their deployment?
no band of barbari are going to sit there 300 meters away or whatever the kill range was at the start of a pitched battle the while the romans carefully deploy an intricate carpentry project that kills men by the score. so beyond having the luxury of a trapped enemy in a siege, a fortified defensive deployment, or a naval platform, were there rolls for this sort of heavy artillery on the battlefield?

feel free to post answer in the prehistory thread i just figure this is the artillery guy zone.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I loved the classic tankies when I was a kid but they totally ran out of ideas and the new ones are like “ice cream cone tankie” and “the tankie that’s literally just a ring of keys”

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
i'm the "used adblock to get rid of the giant annoying image" tankie

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Half of those tankies are just Saber in a different outfit.

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

that’s a lot of tankies

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Mandel Brotset posted:

that’s a lot of tankies

tankie division

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Disappointing to see the “Stalin was dead when Khrushchev sent in the tanks” tankie missing from that list.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

at no point is communism mentioned

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

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Real hurthling! posted:

FF have you done any research into pre gunpowder artillery like roman tormenta et al. and the doctrine for their deployment?
no band of barbari are going to sit there 300 meters away or whatever the kill range was at the start of a pitched battle the while the romans carefully deploy an intricate carpentry project that kills men by the score. so beyond having the luxury of a trapped enemy in a siege, a fortified defensive deployment, or a naval platform, were there rolls for this sort of heavy artillery on the battlefield?

feel free to post answer in the prehistory thread i just figure this is the artillery guy zone.

I can't say I know anything about it, but I remember one of my professors suggested I pretend this was a relevant field of inquiry to the Canadian taxpayer so I could get a PhD in Classics paid for instead of a defence related field. I chickened out, I'm not sure if it would have worked.

I know AD Lee discusses it in his book War in Late Antiquity, and I know that it's mentioned in the book on sieges and logistics in Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages, as well as some of the books on fortifications. Generally, pre-gunpowder artillery appears in books on logistics, engineering and siege, not battles. The relevant part from what I remember is that it's a problem of physics.

The primary issue with deploying heavy artillery like the tormenta on the battlefield stems from the nature of the energy storage and transfer mechanisms they utilized. Pre-gunpowder artillery relied on mechanical means to store and release energy—be it torsion (twisting fibers), counterweights, or human muscle power. These methods, while effective to a certain extent, were significantly less efficient compared to the chemical energy storage found in gunpowder. The core of the problem lies in the physics of energy storage. Mechanical systems such as torsion-powered tormenta can store a considerable amount of energy, but they require substantial space and robust construction. For instance, a ballista or a catapult needs to be carefully calibrated and set up, which is a time-consuming process not conducive to a battlefield.

Gunpowder, on the other hand, revolutionized artillery because it is much more efficient in storing and transferring energy. When gunpowder ignites, it rapidly converts chemical energy into kinetic energy, propelling projectiles with greater force and over longer distances than mechanical systems. In terms of ballistics, pre-gunpowder artillery faced significant challenges.The projectiles from a torsion-powered tormenta or a counterweight trebuchet were subject to variations in tension and mechanical wear, leading to inconsistencies in range and accuracy. A cannon, even the primitive guns of the Hundred Years War, is much more predictable in consistently propelling objects downrange without having a highly specialized engineer constantly tinkering with it.

As you mentioned, nobody would obligingly remain within range while intricate devices were set up, which often required all sorts of tinkering with elaborate mechanisms. This confined artillery to roles in sieges, defensive fortifications, or naval engagements, where the conditions allowed for the time and stability necessary to set up and operate machines effectively.

e: This is explained in Their Arrows Will Darken the Sun:

“In chapter 1 we saw how the potential-energy weapons of bygone ages converted stored gravitational energy or the elastic energy of stretched sinews into the kinetic energy of a projectile. Over millennia, these weapons evolved and became impressive machines—impressive for their clever design as well as for their destructive power. Beginning in the Middle Ages, however, a new kind of stored energy began to be used. The chemical energy stored in gunpowder came to dominate projectile weapons. The process was a slow one, as we will see, because new technology had to be developed, and an understanding (initially empirical; theoretical knowledge arrived later) of the propellant properties of gunpowder needed to be acquired before gunpowder weapons changed the course of battles and therefore of history. But I am getting ahead of myself; first we need to see where gunpowder came from and how it led to—and powered—weapons of war for 600 years.”

“The Mongols spread the use of black powder across Asia to the Arabs of the Middle East, and from there it quickly found a home in Europe. Initially, Europeans exploited black powder for bombs and mines but soon concentrated on cannons. Black powder had a greater influence on European history than on Chinese or Indian history because Europeans learned quite early to apply the stuff primarily as a propellant rather than as an explosive. Black powder works better as a propellant than it does as an explosive although, confusingly, it is generally considered to be an explosive. (I will unpack the properties of black powder and dispel this confusion soon enough.)”

“For loose powder in open air, the volume of gas produced is about three hundred times the original volume of powder; for compacted powder in a confined space, the volume increase is much higher. This is what makes black powder a good propellant: a small volume of solid material becomes gaseous within a few milliseconds, and this gas expands rapidly to its natural volume. Black powder can be made from saltpeter and charcoal alone, but it is stronger if sulfur is present. Sulfur does not directly contribute to the explosive force but, by uniting with potassium, generates a lot of heat—it raises the temperature over 2,000°C—which in turn increases pressure. (Interestingly, charcoal burning on its own will release more energy than black powder of the same weight, but this energy is released much more slowly.)”

...

“The onager was obsolete by the Middle Ages for a number of reasons:
• The sinew or rope spring that provided power had a limited lifetime and was susceptible to degradation in damp weather.
• The spring could be made to work only for small and medium-sized engines; large projectiles required a different mechanism.
• The kick stressed the machine, limiting its lifetime.
• Most important of all, the recoil kick meant that the position of the onager had to be reset after every shot. This reduced accuracy (especially important in that siege engines were often required to aim at the same section of wall or tower with many consecutive shots) and also reduced the rate of fire.”

CN CREW-VESSEL has issued a correction as of 02:32 on May 19, 2024

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




ok but at night do you lay there dreaming of a creeping line of trebuchets advancing their way forward across a warren of anti boulder trenches to support chariot mounted bolt thrower charges?

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

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Real hurthling! posted:

ok but at night do you lay there dreaming of a creeping line of trebuchets advancing their way forward across a warren of anti boulder trenches to support chariot mounted bolt thrower charges?

I mean, that would be pretty cool.

Iirc in Asia, pre-gunpowder siege weapons were literally human powered, as in trebuchets worked by having a bunch of guys pull on a rope. That's pretty neat.

e:

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




i love that the most iconic roman battle in modern film from the opening of gladiator is literally a pitched battle with onagers that i described as preposterous in my question

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
I like the fact the evidence he brings includes the Hostromel airport, which was still a generally a success,....and Oryx numbers, which include random helicopter crashes that didn't even occur near the battlefield.

At least he is more honest than Perun and admits that actually there is plenty of thought and utility in their doctrine. Also, to be honest, the Russians have flexibility, then clearly have learned the utility of drones, but they also have their traditional assets as well, and helicopters have shown be as potentially as useful as a defensive as offensive tool. If the Ukrainians had actually massed their forces to a "big arrow" attack, they would have been cut down by swarms of attack helicopters.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 09:07 on May 19, 2024

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

I mean, that would be pretty cool.

Iirc in Asia, pre-gunpowder siege weapons were literally human powered, as in trebuchets worked by having a bunch of guys pull on a rope. That's pretty neat.

e:

Human powered, or traction, trebuchets eventually made it to Europe and weight powered, or counterweight, trebuchets eventually made it back to China.

I'm sure some parallels could be drawn with the modern American military relying on technological superiority

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




talk about a tug of war, right?

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CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

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Ardennes posted:

If the Ukrainians had actually massed their forces to a "big arrow" attack, they would have been cut down by swarms of attack helicopters.

That did happen - most of the Abrams and Leos were lost to ATGMs and attack helicopters rather than the glorious 73 Eastings NAFO was fantasizing over.

Unless you mean the Ukrainians didn't mass for the counteroffensive, which is also worth mentioning. They broke off the armoured attack after 2 or 3 days and just fed infantry into the grinder for two more months.

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