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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





me, a dumbass, flying into SE asia next week when everything is on fire or drenched in water

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Sounds like on average it's perfect weather

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Strong Sauce posted:

me, a dumbass, flying into SE asia next week when everything is on fire or drenched in water

As opposed to those times of year when SE Asia has nice weather, like 15,000 years ago during the last glacial maximum?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Lemme tell y'all how fun it's been riding my scooter in 6" deep water.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
I saw that cannabis is about to get illegal again in Thailand. How strange to see all those shops gone next time I go. It was disconcerting last time because they all popped up seemingly overnight. And now they are going away again.

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

Waltzing Along posted:

I saw that cannabis is about to get illegal again in Thailand. How strange to see all those shops gone next time I go. It was disconcerting last time because they all popped up seemingly overnight. And now they are going away again.

Will they be missed? I genuinely prefer the vibe before the cannabis shops. Downtown is already gentrifying in many boring ways, but a bunch of gaudy weed shops didn't help anything.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Porn and prostitution are also illegal in Thailand fwiw

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
This is just my opinion, but it's been no secret that the Thai government wanted to move towards high end tourism and fancy resorts and shopping and so had begun going to great efforts to clean up their image as best as they could to attract that sort of tourist and to discourage backpackers and other budget tourists "here for the temples" (winky face).

I have to suspect, given the above post's accuracy, that the actual aim is to eliminate the streets of bright neon weed and 420 signs and to move whatever form the industry takes in the future to professional and discrete dispensaries that Thais and foreigners who have the time and patience to get a medical certificate can access. The idea being that tourists won't be using Thailand as their "get high" destination, but if you effectively a resident you'll be able to purchase and use privately.

the heat goes wrong
Dec 31, 2005
I´m watching you...
I wouldn´t presume any long term or competent thinking from thai government. Thai government has stated that they want more rich and high spending tourists for decades now. Heck, the Thai Elite visa was first introduced more than 20 years ago. In that time the tourism share of Thai GDP has risen from 5% to over 20%. Opponents of cheap young backpacker tourism forget that those backpackers grow up and come back with their young families.
The weed stuff is just general thai government incompetence. They decriminalised weed, but forgot to introduce the law restricting it to medical use. Its been two years already. They might restrict it, they might not. One of the purposeful things in developing and corrupt countries is that there are rarely clear limits and guidelines. A lot of activities fall under certain gray area, which limits are never clearly defined. You can skirt those limits and laws, until someone decides that you suddenly can´t. Having everyone breaking some rule or law is useful for ruling elites, that way they can bend it towards their own benefit and use it to shut down opposition.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





i don't really smoke or anything and i also have nothing against people smoking... but those shops's designs are an eyesore. especially when there's so many of them.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
It was weird walking through MBK and finding a weed stall in there.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Strong Sauce posted:

i don't really smoke or anything and i also have nothing against people smoking... but those shops's designs are an eyesore. especially when there's so many of them.

But what is going to replace them that's so much better? Fancier Sex Toy shops?

Atlas Hugged posted:

This is just my opinion, but it's been no secret that the Thai government wanted to move towards high end tourism and fancy resorts and shopping and so had begun going to great efforts to clean up their image as best as they could to attract that sort of tourist and to discourage backpackers and other budget tourists "here for the temples" (winky face).

I have to suspect, given the above post's accuracy, that the actual aim is to eliminate the streets of bright neon weed and 420 signs and to move whatever form the industry takes in the future to professional and discrete dispensaries that Thais and foreigners who have the time and patience to get a medical certificate can access. The idea being that tourists won't be using Thailand as their "get high" destination, but if you effectively a resident you'll be able to purchase and use privately.

Amsterdam has done the same thing too, hell back in the 80s/90s Fort Lauderdale had a reputation for being a cheap party hub that caused all sorts of problems but now it's considered the quieter part of South Florida.

It kind of does suck though, because what exactly is that harm in smoking a joint walking around with your friends Soi 11 on a weekend night? It's fun, a great experience, not that different than getting drunk, no harm to really anyone but at same time I do understand why they are doing it. :sigh:

Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 12:07 on May 24, 2024

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Atlas Hugged posted:

This is just my opinion, but it's been no secret that the Thai government wanted to move towards high end tourism and fancy resorts and shopping and so had begun going to great efforts to clean up their image as best as they could to attract that sort of tourist and to discourage backpackers and other budget tourists "here for the temples" (winky face).

I have to suspect, given the above post's accuracy, that the actual aim is to eliminate the streets of bright neon weed and 420 signs and to move whatever form the industry takes in the future to professional and discrete dispensaries that Thais and foreigners who have the time and patience to get a medical certificate can access. The idea being that tourists won't be using Thailand as their "get high" destination, but if you effectively a resident you'll be able to purchase and use privately.

Is there really such a big market for weed tourism to Thailand anyway? I guess from Australians and New Zealanders? The tiny, tiny, minority of Japanese and Koreans who do not see marijuana smoking as equivalent to performing a Satanic baby sacrifice don't seem like they would be driving much of it, and marijuana is pretty trivially obtainable in most of Europe and the USA, so doesn't seem like they would be driving much of a market in terms of weed tourism either.

Or have people gotten into being weed sommeliers, like how people will travel to Germany or Denmark for beer?

I mean idk, I haven't smoked in years and have zero interest in ever taking THC again under any form, but I don't think even 22 year old me would have seen that as a reason to make a trans-continental flight, unless 22 year old me was radically closer to Thailand than to the Netherlands or the US.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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I can only point to anecdotes and inferences. I don't actually know what the tourist numbers for weed look like. I do know that people come to Thailand to try or use THC though and I have to assume it's more than just my literal friends. Whether tourism's supporting the industry or local use is (or a combination) I can't say. That said, I feel like there's a reason why most of the shops have concentrated in tourist areas and towns. In my edge of the suburbs, there's one shop that does quite well for itself, or at least it appears to. The complaints from the hotel lobby have also been that guests are overstaying checkout and that housekeeping is finding people unconscious and panicking and calling ambulances as they would with alcohol poisoning, but they're just stoned and the only treatment is sleep. This would certainly imply that a significant number of tourists are experimenting, many for the first time.

So if I had to guess, I'd say it's less that people are coming here because weed is here and more that people are happy that weed is here when they get here, if that makes sense? Like they'd probably still come to Thailand anyway, for the beaches and shopping and food and nightlife and "temples", but since there's weed and they're practically give it away, more people are indulging in it than might otherwise even if it is otherwise accessible to themselves back home.

Also, the shops are very much going for a "neon-punk-sommelier" vibe. You've got crazy colors and decorations, you have merch and paraphernalia for sale; the shops are sort of a cross between tourist traps and boutiques. They'll have sections for edibles, dozens of strains of weed with their supposed effects listed, and coolers full of infused beverages. Most have some kind of lounge area to smoke or hangout in. A lot of places have food and alcoholic drinks in addition to weed products. I've even been in shops with slides, minigolf, and arcade machines. It's definitely not just some dude selling from the back of his truck, though there's some of that around too.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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I think Singapore in the first year weed was legalised genuinely was concerned their people were going to treat Thailand as their weed dispensary and they were doing weird things, like demanding citizens entering the country to pee in a cup and you'd be convicted of drug use even if you used it outside Singapore. They probably have relaxed it since I barely hear about this anymore

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

TBH if the weed shops are spreading giant plastic neon tacky poo poo beyond KSR they should be shut down. I haven't been to Thailand for a while but I'm imagining a worse version of this known money laundering operation currently spread across London:

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Strategic Tea posted:

TBH if the weed shops are spreading giant plastic neon tacky poo poo beyond KSR they should be shut down. I haven't been to Thailand for a while but I'm imagining a worse version of this known money laundering operation currently spread across London:



Is that why I've been seeing those pirate candy stores all over Europe?

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Yeah they're all international organised crime. That specific one I posted may not be but not holding my breath.

Private Eye, the only actual journalism in the UK, spilled the beans a few years ago - but I can't seem to find the article on their website anymore. If you google, regular media has since picked up the story.

E: Here's a :thumbsup: reddit link to one of the follow ups but focused on tacky souvenir shops - https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/cnkcaz/private_eye_on_west_end_souvenir_shops/

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Atlas Hugged posted:

The complaints from the hotel lobby have also been that guests are overstaying checkout and that housekeeping is finding people unconscious and panicking and calling ambulances as they would with alcohol poisoning, but they're just stoned and the only treatment is sleep. This would certainly imply that a significant number of tourists are experimenting, many for the first time.

When marijuana was first legalized in Vegas this was a big, huge problem. Foreigners coming to the United States for the first time only to smoke or eat way too many edibles then immediately freak out and panic. Supposedly, this is the reason or one of the reasons why there aren't any weed bars just yet expect for exactly one.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


https://x.com/JamesIvings/status/1795573146860613731

And just when I get a new job, I miss out on great things. :smith:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

Gucci Loafers posted:

https://x.com/JamesIvings/status/1795573146860613731

And just when I get a new job, I miss out on great things. :smith:

Niiiiice! Would you be able to rent an apartment while on this visa?

Boola
Dec 7, 2005
Yes. They'd just ask to see your visa and most places will ask for 1-2 months rent upfront plus deposit. But you can get really good deals doing 6 month leases.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





quote:

DTV allows a stay of up to 180 days, with a visa fee of 10,000 baht, valid for 5 years. The stay can be extended once for another 180 days with an additional fee of 10,000 baht.... อ่านข่าวต้นฉบับได้ที่ : https://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/tourism/2024/05/28/thailand-eases-visa-rules-to-boost-economy-urgently/

This basically means I can remote work for a month each year over the five years right?

But also if I was doing that is there any advantage vs just coming over and staying on a 90 day tourist visa and just work remotely for the month duration?

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Strong Sauce posted:

This basically means I can remote work for a month each year over the five years right?

But also if I was doing that is there any advantage vs just coming over and staying on a 90 day tourist visa and just work remotely for the month duration?

Not breaking the rules of your visa and risking a permaban from the country, for starters. You could probably get away with it but why give them an easy excuse to kick you out?

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Teriyaki Koinku posted:

Niiiiice! Would you be able to rent an apartment while on this visa?

Yup and it'd be perfect for a 6-month lease and you'd could get away from the all the AirBnB units which aren't that bad but you'd have a real home in Thailand!

the heat goes wrong
Dec 31, 2005
I´m watching you...

Strong Sauce posted:

This basically means I can remote work for a month each year over the five years right?

But also if I was doing that is there any advantage vs just coming over and staying on a 90 day tourist visa and just work remotely for the month duration?

If its anything similar to every earlier Thai visa, it means that you get 180 days whenever you enter thailand. And you can enter multiple times during the 5 year period.

Boola
Dec 7, 2005

Midjack posted:

Not breaking the rules of your visa and risking a permaban from the country, for starters. You could probably get away with it but why give them an easy excuse to kick you out?

Huh? Why would they kick him out of he entered on a tourist visa and stayed 1 month?

They're not going to check if he's there working or being a tourist. They have absolutely no way to know either way. And they don't give a drat.

You silly

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Boola posted:

Huh? Why would they kick him out of he entered on a tourist visa and stayed 1 month?

They're not going to check if he's there working or being a tourist. They have absolutely no way to know either way. And they don't give a drat.

You silly

Some people are incredibly super devoted into following any and every rule that someone tells them, even when the rules make no sense, are detrimental to follow, and are literally never enforced. Like on a similar vein, I sometimes hear about unmarried couples who book two hotels rooms when they visit e.g. Tunisia, which while technically required, is literally never, ever enforced for foreigners and hotels do not care at all, so they’re just doubling their hotel costs to follow a dead letter law.

I’m never sure if these people due it because they have crippling anxiety, or because they are absolutely devoted to following any rule someone tells them, but there is certainly a market for it.

Saladman fucked around with this message at 18:14 on May 31, 2024

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


https://x.com/BangkokPostNews/status/1796001462671069185

:lol:

Boola
Dec 7, 2005
Good luck with that 🫡

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Saladman posted:

Some people are incredibly super devoted into following any and every rule that someone tells them, even when the rules make no sense, are detrimental to follow, and are literally never enforced. Like on a similar vein, I sometimes hear about unmarried couples who book two hotels rooms when they visit e.g. Tunisia, which while technically required, is literally never, ever enforced for foreigners and hotels do not care at all, so they’re just doubling their hotel costs to follow a dead letter law.

I’m never sure if these people due it because they have crippling anxiety, or because they are absolutely devoted to following any rule someone tells them, but there is certainly a market for it.

The person I know who ate a ban for working on a tourist visa would have escaped detection forever but they made an enemy of a citizen in their building, and this citizen apparently made it their full time job to find a way to be rid of my acquaintance. They are a little coy about how they got found out remote working and how the immigration police got interested enough to drag them in for an interview and what exactly was said there (this person is kind of an rear end in a top hat and likely didn't win any friends in the interview) but that was apparently the pretext they needed to get the boot forever. So yeah sure, log into Teams from a cafe every day on a tourist visa and go with god, you'll probably get away with it, but the work visa is so cheap and easy to get that it's kind of a dumb gamble to leave that excuse available when the potential downside is high.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





10000 baht to work in the country legally for 6 months seems pretty reasonable if that's the commitment you want to make

but say my company allows some remote work towards the end of the year because people go around the world to visit family during the holidays... if i spend 1 month in bangkok and work during the off-hours in thailand (i think 11pm-6am thailand time).. i'm probably not going to pay that just to work the month. a month is probably stretching it for me anyways.

i mean i think we can infer that the government is trying to entice slightly longer term remote workers and probably couldn't care less about the guy working on the tourist visa. its not worth their time to enforce it against some rando who wants to stay in thailand for a month and to be able to do that has to work during that time. the tradeoff vs what that person is putting in money wise into the economy is probably not worth the bad press. 30 days amounts to about $45 USD on that visa. that's like "1 night at a hotel" kind of money.

and my plan wasn't to cheat this system with this "one weird trick!" kinda deal, but just asking what would change for people who maybe are visiting for a month or less at a time.

also considering what your friend had to do to get deported.. i think i can meet the bare minimum of not being an rear end in a top hat to thai people.



honestly would like to see more muay thai in pattaya.. maybe they can turn the area south of jomtien into a more family oriented area working off the water park. but i don't think they'll get rid of their adult image unless they outright ban all the RLD areas.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

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You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
That much industry wouldn’t leave unless it had somewhere to go. Has some other city stepped up to become the new Pattaya? Has to be on the coast so the sailors can show up there from shore leave during the naval exercises.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





Pretty frustrated with how the drivers operate on Bolt and Grab. Not sure the exact reason but they accept your ride and then basically don’t show up at all. They don’t move or just drive circles around you like they’re using another app to take someone somewhere. While in Bali they also conveniently miss my street so they message claiming it’ll take too long to loop back around.

Not sure if there’s a cancel penalty or not for them but it’s just a huge waste of my time and I wish there’s someway to report them. Maybe I’m missing something cause this is just regularly occurring now for me.

BabyFur Denny
Mar 18, 2003

Strong Sauce posted:

Pretty frustrated with how the drivers operate on Bolt and Grab. Not sure the exact reason but they accept your ride and then basically don’t show up at all. They don’t move or just drive circles around you like they’re using another app to take someone somewhere. While in Bali they also conveniently miss my street so they message claiming it’ll take too long to loop back around.

Not sure if there’s a cancel penalty or not for them but it’s just a huge waste of my time and I wish there’s someway to report them. Maybe I’m missing something cause this is just regularly occurring now for me.

Yeah there's a penalty for them if they cancel and usually you should be able to give feedback in the app.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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Strong Sauce posted:

Pretty frustrated with how the drivers operate on Bolt and Grab. Not sure the exact reason but they accept your ride and then basically don’t show up at all. They don’t move or just drive circles around you like they’re using another app to take someone somewhere. While in Bali they also conveniently miss my street so they message claiming it’ll take too long to loop back around.

Not sure if there’s a cancel penalty or not for them but it’s just a huge waste of my time and I wish there’s someway to report them. Maybe I’m missing something cause this is just regularly occurring now for me.

It's a huge problem especially in the airports because there are people who auto-accept through their apps even when they aren't in control, several times I'd get a guy who's asleep in their car waiting for customers and they just never respond (this is usually the case if they don't move). If you wait more than the allocated time you can easily cancel and say that you have waited too long and they'd get penalised. Gig capitalism at its best!

EssOEss
Oct 23, 2006
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The apps do try to incentivize drivers to do their job. For example even if you fail to get a ride, keep searching - drivers who fail to accept 3 times in a row get a penalty so if there is a driver just sitting and not accepting they will eventually be forced to (happens if you are going to a place far away or where they fear they might not get another fare).

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

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Many faces
Everybody belongs here
I've had a driver try to force me to cancel. I refused because I wasn't in a rush and didn't want to give them free $$ for being an rear end. Eventually, he cancelled. I think he was just trying to work a scam to get free $$ for not doing rides.

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Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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Grab and Lineman are the worst and I try only using them when I have a significant amount of time to get to my destination and I don't have to worry about a thousand cancelations. It's often easier for me to get a motorbike to a main road and to just hail a metered taxi that way.

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