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counterfeitsaint posted:This thread is about a good show. you either die a cancelled good show or live to become Lost
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There is a universe out there somewhere with people are wondering what Lost could have been if it had not been canceled, and they are the luckiest of us all.
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Cojawfee posted:There is a universe out there somewhere with people are wondering what Lost could have been if it had not been canceled, and they are the luckiest of us all. Nah, there's another universe where JJ Abrams's brain was hit just right by a cosmic ray early in production, causing an entirely painless, risk-free personality change that caused him to abandon mystery box plotting and come up with tight, intricately-plotted mysteries instead. In that wonderful timeline, not only was Lost coherent, but also the Star Trek reboot is even more universally acclaimed, Cloverfield has a coherent franchise, and the sequel trilogy of Star Wars is widely considered to have exceeded the original trilogy in quality. Also this somehow butterflied away every negative political event from about 2007 on. They're the luckiest of us all.
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Mar 31, 2024 06:34
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So that's what the "the world if..." meme comes from.
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I hope Severance continues to be as good as Lost was for more or less 6 seasons, though I am definitely worried about the second season.
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Mar 31, 2024 11:34
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Cojawfee posted:There is a universe out there somewhere with people are wondering what Lost could have been if it had not been canceled, and they are the luckiest of us all. Can you imagine the universe where Firefly got eight seasons? Sometimes you never see the bullet you miss.
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Mar 31, 2024 14:16
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Embarrassed how much I wanted them to pull that gun out when I was young. I think the movie ending is best case scenario. Encapsulates the show and capped it off with less creepy whedon poo poo. We were really hurting for some space drama back then compared to these days where there are like 12 space shows I tried and wrote off and have trouble remembering which group of sad space people are stranded in what show
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Mar 31, 2024 20:50
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I AM GRANDO posted:Can you imagine the universe where Firefly got eight seasons? Sometimes you never see the bullet you miss. Eight season Firefly means Whedon isn't brought in for Avengers and the MCU dies on the vine.
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theflyingexecutive posted:Eight season Firefly means Whedon isn't brought in for Avengers and the MCU dies on the vine. 
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Mar 31, 2024 21:34
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I go to bed every night, thanking the time traveler that stopped Firefly. Mainstream pop-culture would've been insufferable if Whedon went ahead with the abusive poo poo he had planned for Morena's character. The MCU is a small price to pay. Oasx posted:I hope Severance continues to be as good as Lost was for more or less 6 seasons, though I am definitely worried about the second season. Westworld replaced LOST to me as a show barometer. I don't worry about them loving up the final season anymore, I worry about them leaving a fantastic first season hanging. Used to be you could take a great start and be happy about it. 
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Apr 1, 2024 10:56
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I will never understand how someone, multiple people even, can watch the last season of Lost and then go yep, that sure was a satisfying narrative. I'm going to rewatch that multiple times, and will be defending that storytelling on the internet for decades to come.
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Apr 1, 2024 11:09
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counterfeitsaint posted:I will never understand how someone, multiple people even, can watch the last season of Lost and then go yep, that sure was a satisfying narrative. I'm going to rewatch that multiple times, and will be defending that storytelling on the internet for decades to come. I think it was passable and delivered closure for some characters, but it’s not something I’ve ever felt a need to watch again. It was an experience much more than something to appreciate as a whole, maybe the last of the water cooler shows where I was excited to maintain encyclopedic knowledge of everything that flashed across the screen and then theorize about for a week with my friends. We should also appreciate it as a transitional form that made short seasons and narrative storytelling with an end in mind acceptable for tv shows.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:13
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I don’t know any other show that comes close to creating as many good and memorable characters as Lost, and ultimately I was satisfied with the journey they went through. If someone watched 6 seasons of Lost and were angry that the show didn’t explain the origins of the Dharma shark or whatever then I’m not sure why they were watching the show for all that time. But this isn’t the Lost thread, and Severance is a very different show for good and worse.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:21
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I can still enjoy watching the first 3 or 4 seasons of Lost but I've no interest in rewatching the whole thing
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Apr 1, 2024 15:26
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Cojawfee posted:There is a universe out there somewhere with people are wondering what Lost could have been if it had not been canceled, and they are the luckiest of us all. If I remember right, Heroes was another show where they said they initially had a plan for if it only lasted one season. I'd really like to see what both of those shows would have been like if they had just done a single season storyline and finished it.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:33
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Attack on Princess posted:I go to bed every night, thanking the time traveler that stopped Firefly. I hate to ask, but I have to know - what was he going to do with her?
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Apr 1, 2024 15:39
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CaptainCaveman posted:If I remember right, Heroes was another show where they said they initially had a plan for if it only lasted one season. I'd really like to see what both of those shows would have been like if they had just done a single season storyline and finished it. I got the sense Heroes only had a plan for one season, because the wheels pretty much immediately fell off after that.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:49
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I hate to ask, but I have to know - what was he going to do with her? I'm spoilering it because it could be triggering. Her character would take an anti-rape drug before her escort missions. It would kill someone if they assaulted her. The planned arc was that she'd be kidnapped by enemies, and by the time the heroes rescued her, they'd find all the bad guys dead. They'd work through it by Mal treating her like a princess. There were articles about it back in the day. You should be able to find it in detailed interview form if you want to. It comes off like Whedon's fetish which he keeps trying to get on TV, once you look at Dollhouse and also that scene he forced the actors to do in Buffy. Attack on Princess fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Apr 1, 2024 16:46
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I knew it would be sexual assault of some kind but that's hosed up. Of course, because it's Whedon, it doesn't even protect her from being raped in the first place.
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Apr 1, 2024 17:35
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Agronox posted:I got the sense Heroes only had a plan for one season, because the wheels pretty much immediately fell off after that. That was the writers strike so good on them for withholding their plan
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Apr 1, 2024 17:42
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I remember liking season 3 of heroes pretty well but 2 was awful and 4 is fever dream level bad
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Apr 1, 2024 17:47
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I knew it would be sexual assault of some kind but that's hosed up. FWIW it's not clear whether they'd have actually gone through with that plot point, so much as it was a thought they had behind a piece of lore from back when they were filming the pilot. They could easily have changed their minds. Arglebargle III posted:That was the writers strike so good on them for withholding their plan The writers strike happened in the middle of season two. The only thing it affected was their plans for the second half of the second season, which resulted in them dumping about two half episode's worth of content and refilming the ending to their mid season finale so it could function as a season finale. You can see all the deleted material on the DVD if you're the kind of sicko who tracks that kind of weird ephemera down. (me)
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Apr 1, 2024 18:43
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Agronox posted:I got the sense Heroes only had a plan for one season, because the wheels pretty much immediately fell off after that. Yeah Heroes was supposed to be an anthology series but they kept all the characters which meant running into brick walls even before hitting the delightful Vietnam era mine field that was the Writer's Strike.
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Apr 1, 2024 18:44
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Yeah I will go to bat for Lost (and I feel this is adequate discussion for this thread as Severance has the potential to have the same issues as it). As it aired I enjoyed it up through the last season and when I re-watched it a few years ago I felt the same. The ending of season 5 is insane and one of the craziest season finales of all time and really made you think season 6 would be amazing, but then it was a wet fart that wasted half the airtime on a “what if.” Even then though I didn’t hate the final episode and felt like they did an okay-ish job on wrapping up the narrative. On my rewatch I felt that the actual biggest issue was not the mysteries but the amount of fluff and padding in the show. A condensed, good version of the show that’s ~80 episodes instead of ~120 is probably possible. And yeah it doesn’t even come close to the absolute nosedive that Westworld took. With all its issues, Lost produced a plethora of awesome individual memorable moments and had such a huge scope and important role in TV history that I don’t think it deserves the reputation it’s remembered as.
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Apr 1, 2024 18:48
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Attack on Princess posted:I'm spoilering it because it could be triggering. Uhh, not quite but yeah close enough.
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Before this turns into yet another game of goon telephone, here: https://gizmodo.com/the-firefly-episode-were-really-glad-joss-whedon-didnt-5959794 Tim Minear posted:She had this magic syringe. She would take this drug. And if she were, for instance, raped, the rapist would die a horrible death. The story was that she gets kidnapped by Reavers and when Mal finally got to the ship to save her from the Reavers, he gets on the Reaver ship and all the Reavers are dead. Which would suggest a kind of really bad assault. At the end of the episode, he comes in after she's been horribly brutalized, and he comes in and he gets down on his knee, and he takes her hand. And he treats her like a lady. And that's the kind of stuff that we wanted to do. It was very dark. And this was actually the first story that Joss pitched to me when he asked me to come work on the show. He said, 'These are the kind of stories we're going to do.'
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Apr 1, 2024 20:08
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Agronox posted:Before this turns into yet another game of goon telephone, here: lmfao
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Apr 1, 2024 20:15
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Wait, how is that not exactly what AoP described?
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Apr 1, 2024 20:37
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Das Boo posted:Wait, how is that not exactly what AoP described? This is gross to discuss, but The drug doesn't have rapist seeking powers, which means she'd only take it if she knew she was definitely, for sure, going to be assaulted. The difference is largely academic, since it doesn't really change the thing that people are critical of, but the description was also not fully accurate.
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Apr 1, 2024 21:32
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I do not see a difference, but also I do not actually want to participate in this conversation.
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Apr 1, 2024 22:16
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goons being pedantic down to the last detail is a tale as old as time
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Apr 1, 2024 22:26
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Agronox posted:Before this turns into yet another game of goon telephone, here: Yeah, I remember the commentary track for a scene where she’s contemplating that syringe in a montage where the crew is preparing for getting killed in some way and the commentary is something like “yeah, you think from context that she’s got a suicide drug there for if they fail, and it works just fine like that for this scene, but we had this other idea for what it could be, and maybe we’ll get to tell that story one day.” Now I’m really glad they didn’t get that chance.
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I finally finished watching Severance and it was fascinating and beautiful and incredibly eerie. Also during the episode 8 super weird sexy??? dance party with the masks while I was impossibly tense and uncomfortable my seven year old snuck downstairs perfectly silently, tapped me on the leg to get my attention and I was so startled I started laughing hysterically and needed to take a break to shoo her bed and also calm the gently caress down.
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Oasx posted:I hope Severance continues to be as good as Lost was for more or less 6 seasons, though I am definitely worried about the second season. I think it is functionally impossible for any show that works on mystery and suspense to last that long and be good. Pray a show has to wrap up in 4 or, at maximum, 5 seasons. A show like Severance I wouldn't want going longer than....3.
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Mike N Eich posted:I think it is functionally impossible for any show that works on mystery and suspense to last that long and be good. Pray a show has to wrap up in 4 or, at maximum, 5 seasons. A show like Severance I wouldn't want going longer than....3. 100% agree. Those two guys who hosed up Game of Thrones could have done a lot less bad, but they were never going to do a good job, because it's impossible to take the 5 existing books and give them a satisfying conclusion. GRRM can't do it either, which is why he spends more time writing excuses for why he hasn't finished yet, than writing the books themselves.
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I'm amazed his publisher hasn't just forced him to work with ghost writers to finish poo poo off.
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Regarding LOST chat it was one of those shows that was most fun when we were all theory-posting and live reaction posting in threads with everyone else on SA. But I can't imagine trying to binge it on streaming.
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"Shannon was stabbed!"
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Locke is controls sand monster.
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