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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Larryb posted:

In general the 90’s series seemed to use the manga as more of a guideline rather than a strict rule (for example, Rei is almost a completely different person in that series than she is in other Sailor Moon media).

For that matter, didn’t Sailor Stars actually end before its manga equivalent did?

I don't know but that would explain why they did not use all the Sailor Animamates.

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Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

MonsterEnvy posted:

I don't know but that would explain why they did not use all the Sailor Animamates.

I thought they did, who got left out?

I know the anime had a different ending from the manga at least (and no epilogue either)

Come to think of it, once they’re finally done with Crystal it might be fun if they actually did something new with the franchise one day (or at least do an adaption of Codename: Sailor V)

Larryb fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Apr 30, 2021

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Larryb posted:

I thought they did, who got left out?

I know the anime had a different ending from the manga at least (and no epilogue either)

Come to think of it, once they’re finally done with Crystal it might be fun if they actually did something new with the franchise one day (or at least do an adaption of Codename: Sailor V)

Shadow Galactica was a much bigger organization in the manga.

Along with the Sailor Animamates
Sailor Iron Mouse, Sailor Aluminum Siren, Sailor Lead Crow, Sailor Tin Nyanko, Sailor Heavy Metal Papillion
There were also the Corrupt Sailor Guardians.
Sailor Lethe, Sailor Mnemosyne, Sailor Chi, and Sailor Phi

Stars only went up to Sailor Tin Nyanko before the fight with Galaxia.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Ah right, and I’m not sure if it’s just me but Sailor Stars itself somehow felt a bit shorter than the other 4 seasons.

So yeah, the show being canceled prematurely and the staff being forced to write their own ending would explain a lot honestly (several other elements of Stars went unused as well, such as Chibiusa’s involvement and Sailor Cosmos).

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1387982096040222720

Madoka payment system.

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The future is here.


I'm not sure how the next movie could have a better ending than rebellion though, even if it's a more "final" one.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009

Larryb posted:

I thought they did, who got left out?

I know the anime had a different ending from the manga at least (and no epilogue either)

Come to think of it, once they’re finally done with Crystal it might be fun if they actually did something new with the franchise one day (or at least do an adaption of Codename: Sailor V)

Unless Toei's not involved, I'd rather they didn't bother.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

ConanThe3rd posted:

Unless Toei's not involved, I'd rather they didn't bother.

Crystal is kind of meh (though I am sort of curious about the upcoming Eternal movies since SuperS was much better in the manga than it was in the original anime) but personally I still have a soft spot for the 90’s anime and the live action show.

In my experience it seems like the less involvement Naoko Takeuchi has with a Sailor Moon project the better it winds up being (in my opinion that is and there are some exceptions to the rule)

Though I’d also be fine with them just letting the franchise die in peace after they get around to adapting Stars as well.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Apr 30, 2021

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Crystal Season 2 was very solid.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

MonsterEnvy posted:

Crystal Season 2 was very solid.

Season 3 wasn’t bad either (and it gave Ami a brief chance to be a badass at one point as well).

As I mentioned earlier, the Eternal movies are coming to Netflix on June 3. That particular arc is pretty decent in the manga as far as I recall (less so in SuperS) so as long as the animation’s decent it should be a fun ride.

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG
I've watched second Sailor Moon Movie and it was worth it for best Tuxedo Mask entrance ever

Ok, on to SuperS. I'm curious about this one because I hear it's divisive

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Amazing Laura and Manatsu content this week. Also Precure fight the biggest enemy of all English

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

This is the second time Laura has swam through raw sewage for the sake of her mission (she was seen popping out of a manhole back in the first episode), I guess mermaids are apparently fine in any kind of water then.

It’s no Fish Cannon but I do like the new finisher at least. Speaking of, I never quite noticed it in the opening but the bird is not only a combination of their powers but literally each of their main elements (flamingo head, coral hair, papaya body and sun wings)

A slight oddity I noticed, Butler introduced the Zanzen ball to the generals at the end of the previous episode yet here Chongy acts like he’s seeing it for the first time.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 05:58 on May 2, 2021

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

On another note, we got some information on some of the Healin Good episodes we lost due to the hiatus.

https://twitter.com/iid_animedia/status/1387965845846913024

From what I can gather, among the episodes lost were a Hinata episode about fashion, the Christmas episode, and a movie tie-in episode which would have guest starred the Yes 5 team.

Also, the recently released Official Complete Book has a sketch of the main three Healing Animals as humans:

Larryb fucked around with this message at 12:52 on May 2, 2021

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Anyway, I’m enjoying Tropical Rouge a lot so far but it would be nice if we got a bit more about Laura’s backstory at some point (I’m still not entirely clear whether she’s actually the Queen’s daughter or not) and what exactly the Witch of Delays is actually trying to accomplish by gathering Motivation Power (I’m also interested in learning more about the relationship between Asuka and Yuriko as it seems like there’s a bit of bad blood there).

Based purely on episode titles however it seems like we’re in for a long stretch of filler instead (possibly until Cure LaMer shows up around the early 20’s or so) but maybe they’ll surprise us.

I’m all for the more Smile-esque lighthearted nature the show seems to be going for so far but there’s also hints at an interesting story underneath it that I really hope they start telling us soon.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Larryb posted:

Anyway, I’m enjoying Tropical Rouge a lot so far but it would be nice if we got a bit more about Laura’s backstory at some point (I’m still not entirely clear whether she’s actually the Queen’s daughter or not) and what exactly the Witch of Delays is actually trying to accomplish by gathering Motivation Power (I’m also interested in learning more about the relationship between Asuka and Yuriko as it seems like there’s a bit of bad blood there).

Based purely on episode titles however it seems like we’re in for a long stretch of filler instead (possibly until Cure LaMer shows up around the early 20’s or so) but maybe they’ll surprise us.

I’m all for the more Smile-esque lighthearted nature the show seems to be going for so far but there’s also hints at an interesting story underneath it that I really hope they start telling us soon.

After this episode, I definitely get the impression that the seahorse butler is running the show, and the Witch of Delays is just an incapacitated victim of whoever he's really working for. That bit where he told Chongire 'forget about that meal she asked you to cook, we need human energy juice now' was sus as hell. I assume the rest of the manor staff believe that they're grabbing Motivation Power to treat/cure their mistress, and he's funnelling it away for some more sinister purpose.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Darth Walrus posted:

After this episode, I definitely get the impression that the seahorse butler is running the show, and the Witch of Delays is just an incapacitated victim of whoever he's really working for. That bit where he told Chongire 'forget about that meal she asked you to cook, we need human energy juice now' was sus as hell. I assume the rest of the manor staff believe that they're grabbing Motivation Power to treat/cure their mistress, and he's funnelling it away for some more sinister purpose.

Well a few episodes back we saw some weird green orb in the Witch’s room they’re apparently funneling energy into but yeah, I’ve been suspecting that Butler is the one really running the show at the moment as well (he claims to speak for the Witch and the other generals somehow obey him despite him appearing to be yet another servant). Not to mention the fact that nobody can apparently go into her room except for him (a fact that Chongy seems to be getting especially pissed about as he’s the Witch’s personal chef and so far all his efforts are getting rejected).

So yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a real villain out there we’ll be meeting later on (if Butler doesn’t turn out to be the big bad himself that is)

Larryb fucked around with this message at 22:50 on May 2, 2021

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

In other news, it’s looking like Tropical Rouge will be about the same length Healin Good wound up being (45 episodes):

https://twitter.com/curehibiki01/status/1387947680668606465

We’ll probably end up losing a few weeks should the Olympics wind up being held this year as well.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Trailer for the Dub of Sailor Moon Eternal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnKDYpvEgo&t=107s

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

MonsterEnvy posted:

Trailer for the Dub of Sailor Moon Eternal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnKDYpvEgo&t=107s

Seems like most of the cast from SuperS is back except the horse (I think there was some recent incident involving his VA or something).

I remember this arc being much better in the manga than in the anime so I’m kind of looking forward to these. Hopefully they’ll get to Stars soon so Crystal will finally be over.

Afterwards I’m hoping they’ll either do something new with the series, adapt Codename: Sailor V and/or some of the bonus chapters, or just finally let the franchise die in peace.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:41 on May 7, 2021

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Larryb posted:

In other news, it’s looking like Tropical Rouge will be about the same length Healin Good wound up being (45 episodes):

https://twitter.com/curehibiki01/status/1387947680668606465

We’ll probably end up losing a few weeks should the Olympics wind up being held this year as well.

I mean those episodes are gone anyway if the Olympics happen or not (and they probably won't happen). I doubt they'll get added back on and we'll probably just end up with the series ending in Jan at the usual time

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

True, I kind of expected they’d do something like this anyway (the show has a very strict toy schedule and I’d imagine both Toei and Bandai would want to get things back on track ASAP).

Doesn’t seem like we’re getting an All Stars movie this year either.

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG
I finished SuperS and I can definitely see why some people don't like it very much. The second arc and the finale were alright, but I really struggled at points during the first arc. I think the biggest problem for me was that many characters reversed to the worst versions of themselves, especially Usagi. The trio was quite entertaing despite their attacks being very uncomfortable to watch. But the circus imagery was nice and there were some creative fights.

I heard there was some drama behind the scenes, about Ikuhara's and Toei's visions clashing?

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

SuperS is one arc I feel was actually done better in the manga (the story is more coherent, the other Guardians actually get some decent development for once, and for some reason a lot of plot stuff from early in the manga arc doesn’t even get mentioned in the anime until near the end, such as Helios and Nehelenia).

The manga arc as also less “The Chibiusa Show” than the anime is and everyone gets more focus in general (also the Outers are actually involved in the plot).

One strange thing they cut was the Amazoness Quartet being revealed to be Sailor Gaurdians from Chibusa’s timeline and despite surviving in both versions they never come back for the Stars adaption (though they do in the manga).

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Anyway, back to Tropical Rouge. That was a fun episode, and marked a new stage in Laura's character development (she's starting to get some sort of affection for the land dwellers, even if she fastidiously denies it)

I like that the team roll call phrase changes every time (which I think might be a first for this franchise). Otherwise not a whole lot to say about this one but it was fun.

Given what’s coming in the future and Laura gradually becoming more interested in humans and feeling lonely/jealous I’m curious if we’re going to see her make a Little Mermaid-esque bargain at some point.

Speaking of Laura, we finally got her Lucky Color segment that for whatever reason got cut from the Crunchyroll version of one of the earlier episodes.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 13:29 on May 9, 2021

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
It's weird seeing Netflix offer an 'excuslive look' at SuperS because it's been dubbed on Animelab since March

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

kirbysuperstar posted:

It's weird seeing Netflix offer an 'excuslive look' at SuperS because it's been dubbed on Animelab since March

I wonder if that’s a sign that the 90’s series and/or the previous three seasons of Crystal will eventually make it onto Netflix as well.

Also is this “exclusive look” just a synopsis of some kind or is it the whole show?

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Also, if anyone’s interested, I recently found this playlist containing a lot of the Precure stage shows (none of them have been subbed to my knowledge though)

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGGN0nsJjzLhR7lOiMciMCCe7HoVBlInK

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
Oh nevermind I'm an idiot, the netflix thing is Eternal, not StarS, oops.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Tropical Rouge 12: Laura continues to have no self preservation instinct, and when she got on the side of public morals committee, that almost led to major trouble for the Cures. Though some quick thinking made Laura into a new "student" who dressed like a delinquent, keeping her safe for the time being.

This was a surprisingly tense episode, with a lot of cute Kururun-on-a-skateboard antics happening on the side. Though it was also a Laura episode, and those are always good.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Fun episode but I really wish they’d start moving the plot along a little (though the next few episodes seem to be foreshadowing the next stage in Laura’s character arc).

For example, we still don’t really know what the deal with the villains is aside from Butler and the Witch funneling motivation energy into some weird green orb and the other three generals being kept completely out of the loop aside from collecting it for them.

It would also be nice if we learned a bit more about Laura’s backstory and what exactly her relationship to the queen is.

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


On the other hand, the last episode had a major subplot about Laura wanting to do more with the cast, this episode is entirely predicated on Laura doing things and pretending to become a student and getting in trouble and the ending reiterates she wants to do more with the rest of the cast, and the next episode is apparently entirely about Laura and some of her back story and more personally relevant information about her (we will apparently finally get stuff about her singing which is allegedly something important to her). It feels like the show is very deliberately doing things to move towards the point where Laura becomes a precure.

Also, the show has been consistently very good with its cast and its themes and its episodes and in a tokusatsu adjacent series like this that is more than enough to carry a show between major plot points.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Omnicrom posted:

On the other hand, the last episode had a major subplot about Laura wanting to do more with the cast, this episode is entirely predicated on Laura doing things and pretending to become a student and getting in trouble and the ending reiterates she wants to do more with the rest of the cast, and the next episode is apparently entirely about Laura and some of her back story and more personally relevant information about her (we will apparently finally get stuff about her singing which is allegedly something important to her). It feels like the show is very deliberately doing things to move towards the point where Laura becomes a precure.

Also, the show has been consistently very good with its cast and its themes and its episodes and in a tokusatsu adjacent series like this that is more than enough to carry a show between major plot points.

True, it’s pretty much Smile 2.0 in that sense and I’m still really enjoying it overall. It’s just that there also seems to be an interesting story brewing behind the scenes that I’d like to know more about.

And yeah, the last two episodes (and a few of the upcoming ones based on the titles) are definitely setting things up in regards to Laura’s upcoming evolution (in fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes about by her making a Little Mermaid-esque bargin). I imagine we’ll be seeing Cure LaMer by the early twenties at the latest at this rate.

Plus, to be fair today’s episode gave us Kururun on a skateboard and this amazing image:



Also I appreciate that Asuka doesn’t take crap from anyone and is the first to leap to her team’s defense (Laura somehow being able to walk on her fins while dressed as a student was impressive as well)

Larryb fucked around with this message at 14:16 on May 16, 2021

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Off the subject, I’ve been hearing people talking about a Precure-esque show called Balala The Fairies. Anybody know anything about it and if so, is it any good?

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Larryb posted:

Off the subject, I’ve been hearing people talking about a Precure-esque show called Balala The Fairies. Anybody know anything about it and if so, is it any good?

I posted a little about it a long while back in this thread if you want to click on the thing under my name. Short version it's Chinese and the first few seasons are actually direct sequels to a live action show. The first few animated seasons are available subbed on youtube but as far as I know none of the newer seasons or the live action stuff is.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

P-Mack posted:

I posted a little about it a long while back in this thread if you want to click on the thing under my name. Short version it's Chinese and the first few seasons are actually direct sequels to a live action show. The first few animated seasons are available subbed on youtube but as far as I know none of the newer seasons or the live action stuff is.

Is what’s currently available worth watching at the very least?

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Back to Tropical Rouge, so far in the series most of the villains seem to display some form of lazy behavior:

-The Witch of Delays seems incapable of staying awake for more than a few minutes at the time, always saying she’ll get to things “tomorrow”

-Chongire is single minded, he seems passionate about his cooking but doesn’t really care about anything else

-Numeri is fairly indifferent and nothing really seems to phase her that much

-Elda is a spoiled brat who only wants to indulge in her selfish desires

However, Butler does not seem to display any of these traits and instead seems to act as the de facto leader around the mansion and is always the one giving orders to the others.

Between this and the fact that the other servants seem to keep getting barred from entering the Witch’s room it makes me think that she and the others may possibly just be pawns and either Butler himself is the true mastermind or his real master is who or whatever is inside that green orb and he’s feeding it motivation power in order to awaken it


For that matter, where exactly was Laura during the attack on the mermaid kingdom?

I assume the palace had some kind of safeguards in place and that’s why the queen and Kururun were ok but we just see Laura swimming around outside at the beginning before she notices what happened to her people.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:37 on May 17, 2021

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Our first bit of official Cure LaMer related art has surfaced:



P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Larryb posted:

Is what’s currently available worth watching at the very least?

It's a pretty basic kids show so only if you A) really want something in Chinese, or B) want to see what happens when someone has the general concept of magical girl genre conventions but is shaky on the details. The stuff it does do well is generally more on the comedy side of things than action.

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SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Glad to see Manatsu and Laura have selected the wedding stationary already

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