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pentium166 posted:I just run Discord in the browser on my Linux machines and it's fine. I don't game on them (for now) though, so I'm not missing the desktop integration stuff. discord app is a pile of poo poo, run discord in your firefox it'll run faster, and you can block all the annoying nitro popups with ublock lol
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keep punching joe posted:Seems kinda cruel to inflict linux on a mere child. Unlike most adults, children like to do this thing called "learning" so they'll probably figure it out, and also install the ugliest UI themes you've ever seen.
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Woolie Wool posted:Unlike most adults, children like to do this thing called "learning" so they'll probably figure it out, and also install the ugliest UI themes you've ever seen. rxvt with fake transparency was NOT ugly
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Woolie Wool posted:install the ugliest UI themes you've ever seen. The ability to decorate a thing precipitates the obligation to decorate a thing. This is childhood 101.
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cruft posted:The ability to decorate a thing precipitates the obligation to decorate a thing.
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I'm having to do some automation that's going to mount disk image files. The original code is using the mount command with root permissions, even though the files involved aren't root-related. I gave my regular account blanket permissions to run mount and umount, but I still can't create loopback devices as a regular user; I still have to use sudo to mount the file. What else would I need in order to create loopback devices without running as root? A sanitized version of the command that's giving me trouble: code:
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The user running the mount command probably needs read/write access to /dev/loop-control and /dev/loop[0-7]. In Debian those files are owned by the user root and the group disk. So in theory you could add a user to the group disk (then log out, log in) and it would work. Edit: Oh I see you can mount but the files in the image have owners that you can't edit. It sounds like bindfs fuse mount should be able to map/present specific users as owners of the files. waffle iron fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Apr 30, 2024 17:19
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waffle iron posted:Edit: Oh I see you can mount but the files in the image have owners that you can't edit. It sounds like bindfs fuse mount should be able to map/present specific users as owners of the files. No, I can't actually mount and that loop-control stuff smells like it would be part of it. I get a very generic "failed to setup loop device for /tmp/provisioning_experiments/img_data". If I sudo it, then it's cool. I was just reminded that the next problem after this would be how to chroot into that file system to run some dpkg/apt commands to install some packages into it. Is that a job for fakeroot or something like that? Edit: I gave myself the disk group and just got a different permission-related error about not being an actual sudoer. So I think I have to just give up on that path unless I want to morph my regular account into root. So barring anything else, I'll start dabbling with udisksctl (which still asks for a password for loop-setup, but I can apparently change that by editing some file). I'll take alternate recommendations. Rocko Bonaparte fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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It looks like guestmount could do the mount in userspace just fine and even automatically detect and set up the EFI partition. The next problem would be to chroot into and and be able to run apt and dpkg commands without being root. The impression I got is that techniques for this have drifting away from using chroot entirely. Would LXC containers be a good path that I should just be using here? I'm guessing I could just create some container out of my image and then work off of that to install some stuff. This would actually be baby's first container (well, the first time I'd be creating one myself for doing something) but I'm assuming this is a normal and good thing to do with that. Is that generally sane and possible? I don't want to, say, boot the image up in a VM because the full boot has some very hard-ware specific things happening that could get in the way and could also kick off some stuff that would alter the image's state in ways I don't want. However, I do want to be able to run apt and dpkg to install some stuff. It's fine as it is using a chroot, but that involves root credentials and using root to run those tools. I'm trying to avoid that.
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I’m desperately trying to understand ACLs on NFS with Kerberos/IdM. Anyone have any pointers on that? I can’t possibly be the first person to want to do this.
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bolind posted:I’m desperately trying to understand ACLs on NFS with Kerberos/IdM. Anyone have any pointers on that? I can’t possibly be the first person to want to do this. For which combination of OSes?
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The other morning I was feeling crappy because I went to sleep very dehydrated. So I sat down and learned enough QML to make a thing! Gonna put it on the KDE Store as soon as I figure out the system to upload stuff. I promise it won't rm-rf your system.
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Klyith posted:The other morning I was feeling crappy because I went to sleep very dehydrated. So I sat down and learned enough QML to make a thing! Woah, this looks a lot like the Kotlin compose stuff I do all day. I might need to check this out lol Nice work!
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Klyith posted:QML The world needed another DSL. Glad to see this.
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I think QML has been around for 10 years now
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Imma boutta blow the socks off these n00bs
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Yaoi Gagarin posted:I think QML has been around for 10 years now More. RIM (Blackberry) was using QML for their BB10 phone back in 2011 or so. And it was a few years old by that time.
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Is there a screen saver extension for gnome you guys like? I remembered that screen blanking on the windows install never worked and I had to use a screen saver since windows simply didn’t turn the screens off, which makes me think it’s my motherboard and not gnome. It’s odd that KDE didn’t have this problem for me, though, so maybe it’s not
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bolind posted:I’m desperately trying to understand ACLs on NFS with Kerberos/IdM. Anyone have any pointers on that? I can’t possibly be the first person to want to do this. For Linux, I think maybe you're limited to POSIX 1e ACLs on NFSv3 and v4, but FreeBSD, Solaris and Illumos-derivatives, macOS, and even Windows Server does NFSv4 ACLs. NFSv4 ACLs are pretty much compatible with Windows/SMB ACLs (well, except the NFS client in Windows..), EDIT: For FreeBSD, the wiki has everything you should need, until it gets moved into the handbook. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 19:18 on May 3, 2024 |
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:Is there a screen saver extension for gnome you guys like? I remembered that screen blanking on the windows install never worked and I had to use a screen saver since windows simply didn’t turn the screens off, which makes me think it’s my motherboard and not gnome. It’s odd that KDE didn’t have this problem for me, though, so maybe it’s not Haven't screen-savers all but died? Nowadays just turn off the screen. The only thing I do more is disable sleep/hibernate because in the late 90s it never worked and I just never ever enabled since. That's on a desktop, on a laptop things may be different though.
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Yeah they basically have since it keeps the screen life up longer. Ugh I really didn’t like KDE compared to gnome, but it’s just such an annoying issue. It kills my dongle for my mouse too so I have to reach back there and unplug/replug.
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You can try xscreensaver, it's extremely retro however (think Windows 95/98 style retro). There was a port of the Mac Arial screensaver but I never got it working correctly. Though maybe xscreensaver doesn't work on Wayland idk. It's sad, I miss having something goofy pop up when I'm away. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 05:48 on May 4, 2024 |
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keep punching joe posted:Though maybe xscreensaver doesn't work on Wayland idk. It's sad, I miss having something goofy pop up when I'm away. Nope. Wayland doesn't have a system for screensavers. And JWZ did something so that xscreensaver won't run on xwayland at all. (Officially because it can't lock the screen and he cares about security, but really he probably did that more for spite.)
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security and spite are equally good motivations here and I bet he’s glad he didn’t have to choose between them
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Is it a crime to want the matrix glyphs running down your 4K curved monitor while you workpoop?
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I have to agree with the security issue. That one time when Xscreensaver became unresponsive and I had to SSH into to the computer and kill it's process certainly left a bad taste in my mouth.
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well that hardly sounds like a security problem, but definitely inconvenient I wish I’d only had to do that once!
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Someone fork Wayland to add screensaver support so I can run Johnny Castaway
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Well Played Mauer posted:Is it a crime to want the matrix glyphs running down your 4K curved monitor while you workpoop? Back in 2008 I was installing Gentoo on my laptop at uni and became known for a bit as the guy running the Matrix because of the local social rep knocking on my door and seeing it going through the compilation process in the background. Sadly I turned out to be a computer moron and stopped using Gentoo shortly after, so that was stolen valour.
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keep punching joe posted:Someone fork Wayland to add screensaver support so I can run Johnny Castaway you don't need to fork it, you can just add an extension
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Klyith posted:Nope. Wayland doesn't have a system for screensavers. I love that his blog posts still tell us what he's listening to, like 2002 LiveJournal.
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pseudorandom name posted:you don't need to fork it, you can just add an extension are Wayland extensions dynamically composable and independently packaged somehow, or do they need to be implemented by each Wayland implementation once they’re specified?
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Subjunctive posted:are Wayland extensions dynamically composable and independently packaged somehow, or do they need to be implemented by each Wayland implementation once they’re specified? every compositor, but there's only two that matter and KDE probably already has a screensaver extension
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pseudorandom name posted:every compositor, but there's only two that matter and KDE probably already has a screensaver extension OK so they're forking with an API for exposing why you forked, basically
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its not a fork if you get it merged upstream, then it's just sparkling vendor extensions!
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pseudorandom name posted:and KDE probably already has a screensaver extension it doesn't! even KDE has no love for screensavers. at most you can set the screen lock to be a picture slideshow. OTOH if someone really wanted to make a screensaver that was just pretty graphics and no security, it would not be that hard. JWZ is only saying things like "I can't detect user activity on wayland" because he is a caveman and anything that's not down at the systems level doesn't exist to him. Kde has a way to get idle time and I'm sure gnome does too. So you could make a simple thing that waited until N idle minutes according to the window manager, then launched the fun demoscene screensaver.
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Some suspicious language in the addIdleTimeout and idleTimeoutReached documentation that makes me think that the author doesn’t really understand how timers work! jwz doesn’t want to link to some KDE library that might not be present on a system, and I can’t blame him. what he’s doing is not specific to a desktop environment, and under X it didn’t matter what desktop environment the user chose why doesn’t Wayland have a sink for user event notifications, or at least a user timeout? does it not traffic in user events? (and how does the KDE thing work that jwz couldn’t do the same thing in Xscreensaver?)
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Oh, yeah, jwz has terminal boomer brain, there's no reason to listen to his opinions on anything except possibly San Francisco's hostility to nightclubs and pedestrians. A correctly designed Wayland screensaver extension would probably involve the screensaver application registering with the compositor, being given a screen sized surface and then receiving start and stop events. The screensaver wouldn't even be involved in user authentication, and if it crashed the compositor could just turn off the display. Wayland is designed to be "secure", which means applications aren't supposed to be able to learn anything about user activity or what other applications are doing.
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pseudorandom name posted:Oh, yeah, jwz has terminal boomer brain, there's no reason to listen to his opinions on anything except possibly San Francisco's hostility to nightclubs and pedestrians. quote:
They should have done a better job allowing applications that users want to do these.
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Subjunctive posted:jwz doesn’t want to link to some KDE library that might not be present on a system, and I can’t blame him. what he’s doing is not specific to a desktop environment, and under X it didn’t matter what desktop environment the user chose I think that's how you have to do things in the modern world. You dynamically link to the kde library when you're running on kde and the gnome library when you're running on gnome, etc. Subjunctive posted:why doesn’t Wayland have a sink for user event notifications, or at least a user timeout? does it not traffic in user events? From what I understand, no, Wayland is very focused on just the rendering and input. It's not doing any notifications or inter-process communication or all the poo poo that make X into a towering pile of unmaintainable features. The Wayland answer to all that other stuff is to use DE libraries or dbus. Your client gets a buffer to render to, and input events when it has focus. Subjunctive posted:(and how does the KDE thing work that jwz couldn’t do the same thing in Xscreensaver?) In X, the xscreensaver daemon ran in the background and just watched the keyboard/mouse inputs to detect idle time. If you used a controller to play a game, the standard advice was to install a secondary program that would deactivate xscreensaver while a joystick was active. In wayland of course you can't see any input that's not being sent to you. If you're building a user level program you have to act like a client and live downstream of the desktop environments, because the window manager is the only thing that has that ability. pseudorandom name posted:Oh, yeah, jwz has terminal boomer brain, there's no reason to listen to his opinions on anything except possibly San Francisco's hostility to nightclubs and pedestrians. So I'll say this for him: that's exactly what he said a Wayland screensaver architecture should be. Put all the security and authentication down with the display manager, which already does that job. He's a caveman, but he's not a stupid caveman.
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