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Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Chaco posted:

Rabies would be for your own peace of mind, but I remember hearing somewhere that cats don't, or haven't been shown to transmit rabies to people, so if you are anti-vaccine you might be interested in finding more information about the risk of rabies for an indoor-only cat.

Mind giving a source for this?

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Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Is there any reason why you aren't just considering a generic shelter lab mix?

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


UGAmandy posted:

I don't know what's wrong, and the vet doesn't know what's wrong...I thought maybe if I post about it on the internet, one of you is bound to have some advice for what it may be.

What breed/size of dog is this, and how old?

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Ms. Fabulosity! posted:

I do disagree that dogs don't know when they have misbehaved. How many times have you come home to the dog with it's tail between it's legs only to find out it pooped on the carpet/chewed up something/raided the fridge. Dogs know what behaviors they do and do not get punished for, maybe not what is "right" and what is "wrong" but they certainly know what they get in trouble for.

That's retarded. If the dog has a logical capacity to "know" what it gets in trouble for then why would the dog not have the logical capacity to just not do it? You're anthropomorphizing and an idiot.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Authentic Jams and Jellies posted:

It's no big deal, really. I saw the sample (probably on PI) and figured I'd give it a shot, but Noel just really doesn't have any drive to chew. At all. It's kind of weird, actually. She's a Pyr, if that helps explain it at all. The problem may be that I haven't come across anything big enough for her to chew on, but in the months that I've had her, she hasn't displayed any kind of destructive behavior in response to having nothing to chew. She hasn't really displayed any kind of destructive behavior at all.

My Pyr's the same way. He loves a good barking session and is really mouthy when we get him riled up enough to actually play (once every few weeks or so) but has never cared about any chew toy or anything that we could possibly give him, and never had any desire to chew on table legs or shoes or anything at all. He toyed with chewing on a rawhide for a little bit, but gave up on it once he realized it was not as easy to crunch up and eat as a pig ear and hasn't touched it since.

However, he does know what to do with a Greenie as long as it is the jumbo kind, but he's strong enough to chew it up and eat it before he decides it's more effort than it's worth (like the rawhide). I have a feeling he'd swallow any smaller ones whole, too.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


MarshallX posted:

A lady down the road from us has two large white dogs which have long hair and are almost waist high. My wife and I are looking to add another pup to play with our 2 year old chocolate lab, Tate.

At first I thought they were Samoyed dogs but after looking online, they are much much larger than that, but have the same style fur and tail.

Any ideas on breed?



Great Pyrenees?

Not recommended for a person who is used to having a lab.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


MarshallX posted:

These are exactly them! Very beautiful dogs. Can you go into detail about why they are not recommended for Lab owners?

tse1618 pretty much touched on this.

I have a Great Pyrenees (the one in the picture). I got him from breed rescue (after an owner who let him do what he wanted and then handed him over when he was too much to handle), and I can't really imagine too many dogs farther from the typical Lab personality than Sam. He's a particularly stubborn example of a breed that's stubborn to begin with, and basically every single day I have to reinforce that he is not in charge in this house. NILIF is the operating principle, and letting up on it for a couple days means we're back to square one, pretty much. He's male dog-aggressive and extremely territorial. And all of these traits are common in the breed because of their history - they were bred to be livestock guardians who spent all of their time among a herd and defended it, not working with humans cooperatively in the same manner as, say, a sporting dog.

Basically, if a Lab is your kind of dog, a Pyr is probably not (and it goes vice versa too ;))

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


moron posted:

I guess my question is this..... does the fact that our cats are sketchy suggest that they were scared/mistreated before we got them? Or are some cats just prone to being spinners despite whether they're mistreated or not? Genetically destined to be scared of everything, perhaps?

I have 2 cats that I have known since the day they were born, raised in a lab environment. One was actually socialized more than the other one, and that one is the more skittish one. I think that there is definitely a hereditary component to their "personalities."

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Your dog is a mixed breed. Mixed breeds do not have predictable phenotypes. It's not like an arithmetic mean of the two parents, in the least bit. That's not how heredity works.

Sekhmet fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Feb 24, 2009

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


jbone posted:

Allergy to one animal does not imply allergy to another animal - I'm allergic to dogs, but not to cats.

I've never actually heard of this before. I've heard of the other way around, but not strictly dogs.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Umilele posted:

Does anyone have a good link on hybrid vigor and why it doesn't apply to dogs, preferably one that cites sources?

I don't think it's that it doesn't apply to dogs - it's just not a sure thing, especially if two breeds tend to share common ancestors or diseases. You may get a more fit F1 generation or you may not.

HOWEVER, if you make an F2 population or a backcross population (which a lot of breeders of dogs using these mutts as an excuse to make hypoallergenic labs or whatever do - breeding back to a poodle will enhance the chance that the offspring will have the poodle coat), the heterosis effects are pretty much null.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


adventure in the sandbox posted:

For example, sickle cell anemia can be an example of hybrid vigor. Those individuals with one allele for sickle cell do better in malaria areas than those that are homozygous for normal cells or sickle cells.

I've never heard of that used as an example of heterosis (hybrid vigor) before - just as a case of overdominance (heterozygote advantage) in a specific environment.

Heterosis is usually thought to be due to outcrossing "covering up" recessive lethal/deleterious alleles that are more likely to be found in two individuals in an inbred line due to a higher probability of identity by descent.

You're right about it being a perfectly valid concept within a species for segregated populations like dog breeds though. The questionable parts come in as I said before, when two breeds tend to have the same genetic disorders or come from related foundation stock, or it's pretty much completely undone if one of the hybrid offspring is bred back to any member of one of the contributing breeds or another of the hybrid offspring.

Sekhmet fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Apr 3, 2009

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


RazorBunny posted:

Yay! My husband just put out a dish with gently warmed k/d wet and a little bit of chicken gravy, and Charlie ate it all up without any prompting!

I think we're out of the woods.

So glad to hear that!

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Emergency Exit posted:

I don't want to derail the semi-topical threads with this question so I'm asking here.

Anyway, I understand the difference between herding dogs and LGD, and my question is do people use both on the same flock (of say sheep)? If so, would the LGD not consider the herding dog a threat? Or are there ways that you can socialize the two together? I would assume you need both types of dogs, but I'm not entirely sure.

The Pyrenean Shepherd and the Great Pyrenees were used in tandem throughout history to work with livestock together. I've heard that the reason Pyr Sheps are small has to do with a few factors:

1) it allows them to be more agile
2) the dog never had to take on the role of guardian like some other herding breeds had to at times because of the work of the Great Pyrenees
3) it was actually necessary in order to not be seen as a threat by the LGD Pyrs

I'm sure there is some manner of socialization as well. There are also differences in herding styles, so maybe the style of a border collie which is more authoritative and prey-driven wouldn't go over well with a Pyr, but what the Pyr Sheps do would...

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Throw a stupid pee pad in your stupid yard or whatever, if you don't have the patience to outwait your dog.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


MoCookies posted:

One of my dog REALLY hates it when I apply Advantage. She starts skulking as soon as I pop the applicator, and continues to skulk & sulk around for hours and sometimes days afterward. She's currently hiding under the comforter in my guestroom. :( How likely is it that its actually hurting her vs. she's just a weenie? She does have skin allergies when she eats certain proteins, and occasionally will lose hair around bugbites, so I suppose she's got sensitive skin.

Do other dogs ever react this way to flea meds?

Sam freaks out as soon as he sees me open the Advantage box. My opinion on him is that he's just being a weenie. YMMV

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


nonanone posted:

My opinion is that you should stick to enclosed areas, especially in a people-area. It only takes one time for him to bolt for him to get hit by a car, or bound up to greet someone who hates dogs. After all, what happens if the ball bounces out somewhere where he could get injured? I think the idea of a long leash is good though, and hopefully there are dog parks where he can then run and play to his little heart's content.

I 100% agree with this, as the owner of a male dog-aggressive dog that I enjoy taking for leashed walks without having to physically put myself in between him and the male dog trotting up to him whose owner is calling out from 10 feet away "oh it's okay he's friendly!!" :argh:

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Shortymrbig posted:

Are you studying to become a vet by chance?

I've been wanted to ask about how to get started taking up some vet tech classes to become...well a vet tech. I just didn't know where to ask really, since this is Pet Island and this thread is about Pets and not about how I could get working in the field of animal care.

Ignore this post if it's toooo out of place here guys :v:

Chaco's in vet school. It's a completely different process than becoming a vet tech and PI has had threads about both topics in the past.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Crooked Booty posted:

Whenever we do cystos where I work while the client is waiting, they're like "how did you get him to pee on command?" and sometimes we opt to not explain the whole needle thing because people freak out.

That's ridiculous. The clients deserve to know what you're doing with their pet when you take it into the treatment room. Things like this are why people are suspicious of vets/techs wanting to perform procedures with the pet in the "back room."

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Crooked Booty posted:

I said sometimes -- only in cases where the client would walk out the door, pass out, throw a tantrum, etc., and it's therefore in the patient's best interest that the client not know. Have you really never gotten those super squeamish clients who start tearing up when their pet gets vaccinated, can't look at a needle, and beg you to stop if you even begin to describe something having to do with guts or bacteria?

I've always made it a point to tell the client what we'll be doing before we remove the pet from the exam room. I've never had a client refuse to send the pet back for a urine collection based on hearing that we may need to/are going to perform a cysto, or throw a tantrum or pass out or anything like that. I feel like it's always better to let the client know what is going to happen so that in the small chance that something happens to go wrong during any procedure it isn't a huge shock that the mean old vet and tech were back there putting a needle into Fluffy's abdomen.

I'm not saying that anyone has to be that thorough about it, but if a client actually asks how you got urine from their cat I do feel like you should absolutely tell them the truth.

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There are clients I would never, ever scruff a cat in front of, no matter how difficult the cat was being -- I would just take it to the back because the owner would have a fit otherwise. But if we need a blood sample in the back, that cat is probably going to get scruffed. It's in the best interest of the patient, and there are ignorant people in the world who would walk out of a clinic over their cat being restrained safely, to never seek veterinary care for their pets ever again.

There's a difference between a restraint technique and an actual procedure, in my opinion. I'm not sure how that's relevant to whether a client deserves to know that their pet is getting a needle inserted into his or her abdomen.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


a life less posted:

At what age are you able to ascertain a dog's ability to hear?

I'm going to be getting an Aussie puppy from a litter with several patterned-white mismarks. A few of these pups have an excess of white on their heads - specifically around their eyes and ears.

I know that deafness is essentially caused by lack of pigment within the inner ear, then nerves die off as a result. Since I keep reading about atrophe I've been wondering if this is a process that happens in the weeks/months after birth, of if it's essentially done by the time the ears open. I want to know whether a vet will be able to accurately test the pup's hearing around 7 weeks of age.

If the litter was bred from two merle dogs (meaning a few of them could be homozygous for merle) don't even think about getting one of them and supporting that breeder. If only 1 of the parents was merle the chances of bilateral deafness in any of the puppies is pretty low.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


One paper about deafness in heterozygotes and homozygotes, and it also cites some papers about piebalds (since the "tri" puppies aren't merles obviously)

If you're really concerned about it, I think the BAER (brainstem auditory evoked response) testing can be done pretty early in life. Some dogs who test unilaterally deaf on BAER are pretty normal acting and owners would never know the difference, though. It's quite sensitive, but very accurate.

Sekhmet fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 17, 2009

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Superconsndar posted:

Got my own question: What can I do about tear stains? I clean Frankie's wrinkles once or twice a day with baby wipes but he still has gross, brown tear stains all the time. Is there anything I can do for it? Do anti-tear stain products work, or do they just bleach them out and cover them up?

If your dog wasn't so shameful he wouldn't cry all the time. I think you know what this means.

Owning a dog with wrinkles you have to clean is so gross, seriously. :gonk:

ThirstyGirl posted:

After reading the last page about buying Frontline on petco.com I went to check it out and I see that there is a section called 'wormers'. Are these the same kind of thing as the Heartgard that I get from my vet and give to my dogs every month? Or are they just used to treat dogs that already have worms, and I should keep buying the pills from my vet? And does everyone here use a worm preventative every month?

And yeah what SC said, Heartgard is ivermectin. You can buy ivermectin over the counter at a feed store but you should not really try to dose it out yourself for your dog; you should just buy Heartgard from your vet. It isn't really THAT expensive!

Sekhmet fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Sep 30, 2009

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


because you touch yourself at night

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


it's probably the creatinine. that's one of the kidney values. it can be elevated due to dehydration or kidney disease most commonly. did they do a urinalysis as well?

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


Slugworth posted:

Depending on the lab that processed tbe blood, it could also be SDMA, which is being touted as the new early alert value for kidney failure.

Either way, catching a kidney value when it's just barely higher than normal is a pretty decent prognosis. All kidney disease is progressive, but the earlier you catch it, the more controllable it is. With proper care, you're hopefully not looking at much of a decrease in lifespan.

And good on you for doing the blood work - It doesn't make you a worry wart, it makes you a responsible pet owner. Old pets should get annual/biannual blood work for just this reason.

the reference range for SDMA goes up to 14. IDEXX is the only place that runs it. 2.1 is the top end of the reference range for most labs for creatinine in cats. This always has to be taken in light of the urine specific gravity...a creatinine of 1.9 in a cat with a USG of 1.014 is going to raise some flags for me even though it's still technically in the reference range, whereas a creatinine of 2.2 in a cat with a USG of 1.060 isn't going to worry me for his kidneys, though he certainly needs some fluids if they are to stay healthy!

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Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


There is no such thing as a veterinary dental school - there are veterinary schools that have dentistry residencies and that's the closest you'd get. I'm not sure they'd be that much cheaper than any other specialist though they might be. Your best bet might be to find a GP that has a special interest in dentistry and does things right. I know that's an area that a lot of GPs really enjoy.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


VOTE YES ON 69 posted:

What the heck is growing on my dogs ribs? He's got like a grape sized lump under his skin, on one of his ribs. Part of the rib feels sort of raised too. Skin is not discolored. It's *right* where his elbow would hit his ribs were he to bend his front leg that way (think jumping down off something).

We already took him to the vet, and are taking him again tomorrow. The first time the doc did a needle biopsy -- said that it wasn't a lipoma, wasn't cancerous, and weirdly (he seemed to imply) it tested only as bruising/inflammation. They also did an x-ray and said nothing was broken. This was maybe a month ago, and it's gotten maybe a tiny bit bigger, and a bit softer since then. I kinda hate our vet, so wouldn't mind totally insane internet stranger theories. (I thought about finding a vet I don't kinda hate, but stuck with the one who did the biopsy at least for tomorrow's appointment.)

The answer is bolded.

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Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


albany academy posted:

Is there any thread in here regarding dogs with inexplicable, recurring seizures? My friends and their dog are having a real hard time.

Details:
- He's a four year old boxer pug
- diagnosed with idiopathic epilepsy
- prescribed Phenobarbital, Potassium Bromide, and Keppra). The meds never seemed to be completely helpful, nevertheless, they kept his seizures at bay (amounting to roughly one every 6-8 weeks
- Since November without any known reason, he has had 9 separate episodes of cluster seizures varying between 5 and 12 Grand Mal seizures in a row (each episode roughly 10 days apart). 

They're being put through the wringer with vet bills and i want to help em out financially, but I thought maybe some goon on here might have experience with something similar and could also provide advice? Would be better than just giving them some money, which will only help until the next round of vet bills.

They had mentioned they were interested in trying CBD oil, but they would need to wean him off his current meds.

Needs a neurologist if he doesn't already have one. Whatever woo vet is telling them they need to wean off of meds to try CBD is full of crap. Weaning off meds while seizures at this bad is NOT a good idea. CBD probably doesn't really work in dogs anyhow. But, needs a neurologist to manage him for sure. He's a refractory epileptic. That's the "reason" he's having seizures so often. Some epileptics are harder to manage than others. There are also things like rectal valium that they can talk about with their vet to manage clusters at home, but really needs to adjust meds +/- add another med with a neurologist involved.

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