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And Get the **** Off My **** Lawn! ;-) I started with the Basic Set in 1979 when I was a 12 year-old Tolkien-o-phile and then quickly moved on to AD&D in 1980. The 1E books were written by adult wargamers for a literate demographic of bright high schoolers and college students. I still have my near-pristine PHB, MM, DMG, D&D, and FF. Why did I keep them all of these years even though my actual playing of D&D waned considerably? Two reasons: 1) AD&D was an important childhood touchstone; 2) the books were aimed at an educated, reasonably sophisticated demographic, not a grabasstic hoard of zit-popping button mashers. From time to time I still pull out one or more of my books and read through them for sake of entertainment and nostalgia because they were that well written. The same cannot be said of the lifeless dreck WotC churned out for 4E. It's high time that they recognize their mistake and accept and remedy it in 5E by starting with the assumption that their audience is both literate and intelligent. Any tabletop RPG designed to appeal to the least common denominator will fail in spades because the people willing to spend 4-6 hours once or twice per week gathered around a table to roleplay and engage in good-natured arguments over weapon speeds and "to hit" adjustments of customized gear aren't going to be satisfied with dull, ultra-streamlined prose and rulesets. We're better than that and we demand more.
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For me, it's nothing at all to do with the content. It's all to do with the writing style. Play a dragonborn if: - You want to be scaly. ...is a style of writing which doesn't just fail to engage me, it pushes me away. It says to me "You, an adult, are playing a game designed for children". I also refuse to believe that a young teenager is bamboozled by paragraphs. I was able to handle the horror of the paragraph when I was young, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't a child prodigy or anything.
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quote:This is a pretty gross exggeration, and either speaks to a profound level of ignorance which someone with your prominence on this forum simply shouldn't have, or a very obnoxious level of passive-aggressive edition hating. Let's be clear. You are welcome to disagree with me. You are welcome to debate my opinions. You are NOT welcome to make personal attacks against me or anyone else on these forums. There are no exceptions, no matter how right you feel. I hope that's crystal clear. Feel free to discuss the subject without the insults or email me if you're unclear on EN World's rules.
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this game i ahve been playing since i was literally 12 is a game for children i am so mad about this
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May 10, 2012 03:09
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Oh man, "Goblinworks" has a kickstarter! That's right! All Ryan Dancey needs is $50,000 and he can... make a tech demo to show to investors to ask for more money! 
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May 10, 2012 03:10
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ProfessorCirno posted:Let's be clear. Pointing out I'm wrong = Personal attack!
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May 10, 2012 03:11
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Dr Pepper posted:I'm seriously trying to figure out what that person wanted. He wanted to write "WIZARDS ARE BETTER NYAH NYAH NYAH" on the side of his dick and slap everybody in the face with it. Sadly, he could only get to the first E.
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Also I love that that is an official moderator comment. It's like, when you have one of the mods of the site making such a stupid statement, in which someone throughly debunks, and rightfully points out such a dumb statement can only have come through ignorance or trolling. You can tell he freaked out, burst into an explosion of indignit nerd rage. "HOW DARE HE CALL ME WRONG!  " But then he remembered his mod powers, and threw down the law. "Heh, that'll teach him to disagree with me.  "
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May 10, 2012 03:21
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Ettin posted:Oh man, "Goblinworks" has a kickstarter! This is going to be the best game that never happens.
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May 10, 2012 03:30
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An adult who enjoys playing games played by children becomes incredibly upset when confronted with the realization that he plays games played by children. grognards dot txt
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May 10, 2012 03:38
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Wait, did that guy use 'streamlined' as an insult to prose?
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May 10, 2012 03:43
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ProfessorCirno posted:people willing to spend 4-6 hours once or twice per week gathered around a table to roleplay and engage in good-natured arguments over weapon speeds and "to hit" adjustments of customized gear
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May 10, 2012 03:44
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Dr Pepper posted:I'm seriously trying to figure out what that person wanted. He is disingenuously setting up an impossible task to prove that reskinning is impossible. "Because you can't cast the specific spells from the back of the book without using one of the classes that casts spells from the back of the book, it's impossible to reskin another class as a 'spellcaster' QED. "
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May 10, 2012 03:47
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Ettin posted:Oh man, "Goblinworks" has a kickstarter! I can't wait to pay 30 dollars for a special message board icon and a pathfinder pdf, while ostensibly funding an investment pitch There's so many layers of sheer insanity to the entire thing that I can hardly catch all the hilarity of it. They're kickstarting their pitch to investors and they have over :15000bux: for this . But you'll get to watch a kickass Let's Play of it!
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May 10, 2012 03:51
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Where do people get the idea that 4E's prose is dumbed down for like elementary school kids? I mean, that one quote was the first time someone ever actually tried to give an example, and it was pretty much Epic Fail in every way.
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Newfork posted:I can't wait to pay 30 dollars for a special message board icon and a pathfinder pdf, while ostensibly funding an investment pitch
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Guilty Spork posted:Where do people get the idea that 4E's prose is dumbed down for like elementary school kids? I mean, that one quote was the first time someone ever actually tried to give an example, and it was pretty much Epic Fail in every way. The rules are stated clearly and plainly and aren't hidden behind obscure prose therefore its dumbed down baby game.
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May 10, 2012 04:27
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Newfork posted:I can't wait to pay 30 dollars for a special message board icon and a pathfinder pdf, while ostensibly funding an investment pitch You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com.
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. Haha holy poo poo this is true, I wish we could just emptyquote this for the entire page
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May 10, 2012 04:44
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. i cant stop laughing
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. I've lost it. I can't. I can't. I cannot.
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. Look at that determination to produce quality knockoff D&D product I can't muster any more admiration for wotc_richbaker
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They got a report button at the bottom of every project page, just sayin'.
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. Oh my goodness gracious
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. paizo.txt
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. Holy loving shiiiiiit 
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. Hahaahah holy poo poo that's beautiful.
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. Its everything terrible about Pazio summed up with a single image.
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. Should've sent a poet.
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Ahahahahahahaha Beautiful.
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. I just want to see this emptyquoted until the end of time
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. In the grim dark future there is only  What the hell?
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. I just want to post this on the Paizo Facebook page forever.
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. This is amazing. I scared the dog laughing so hard.
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. This is just amazingly beautiful.
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So no mention of this so far on ENworld, i think even Morrus knows this is when Paizo "Jumped the Shark"
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. hahahahahaha yesssss
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Squizzle posted:You have to admire Paizo for their consistency and attention to detail. In keeping with the Pathfinder brand identity of re-publishing content that WotC had to pay for, the photo of Rich Baker on that Kickstarter page is hosted on images.wizards.com. Bravo, Goblinworks. Bravo.
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They fixed it already? Awwww 
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