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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Jekub posted:





Behold the AstroTrac, a simple easy device which tracks for up to two hours and will take a DSLR with lens. You can even put a small scope on one if you want.


I'm coming into this thread very late, waffleimages is long-dead, so Google tells me this is a thing:

http://www.astrotrac.com/Default.aspx?p=tt320x-ag

So this looks like it hooks up to my Manfrotto tripod, which I already have, and my ball head, which I already have, and steers/stabilizes my camera (which I already have). If I'm reading this right, on its own I can align the tracking rig to Polaris, point the camera at something, and it will track what I've pointed it at, whether that's the sun, the moon, or something sidereal, right? Then it says

quote:

Get pin sharps stars at longer focal lengths with the TT320X-AG's right ascension autoguiding capability. Compatible with popular ST-4 autoguiders such as the SBIG SG-4, Orion Starshoot, LVI SmartGuider, and with popular autoguiding software such as MaximDL and PhD.

I don't know what all that means, but I'm guessing it means I can hook a laptop up to it, and there'll be software running on the laptop that I can tell "Show me the Pleiades" and it will go and point my telephoto at the right place and keep tracking it?

Would this system be a decent way of starting astrophotography and seeing if I get into it enough to spend a silly amount of money on something better?

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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

...! posted:

No, there were lines rather than dots and they were a slightly different shade of blue than the star. They also were packed very closely together.

Floaters. Imperfections in the vitreous humour inside your eyeballs.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Anyone get the new supernova? I read that it was binocular-visible.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
So I'm interested in dipping my toe into astrophotography. I figure that before I start spending money on scopes, I already have a reasonable Manfrotto tripod and an assortment of lenses for my d850, ranging from f/2.8 28-70 to f/1.8 50 to a big old manual-focus f2.8 300mm and a 2x teleconverter and it's probably a good idea to start with equipment I already have and see where it goes.

So here's my question: mounts. On one hand, there are star-tracking camera mounts that look to start at around $500, such as this:

https://www.ioptron.com/product-p/3550.htm

Which would be possibly perfect, but limiting in the event I decide I want to wind up with a real telescope; my existing camera and long lens is already right up against the payload limit.

On the other hand, it looks like reasonable-quality Baby's First Tracking EQ Mount starts at a bit over $1000, such as this:

https://www.skywatcherusa.com/products/heq5-mount

Which I think could offer me the ability to use it with the DSLR, but then still be suitable in the event I wind up in possession of a telescope. I assume there is some kind of adapter that would let me secure my DSLR or lens directly to the mount just as if it were a telescope instead of a camera, right? Or would I need to fab up a suitable dovetail out of aluminum?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Betelgeuse I look at more than anything else simply because I want it to explode while I'm looking at it.

I understand that still probably a long way to go but it's definitely within the error bars and probably has a better chance than anything else naked-eye visible.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Oof.

Nothing's in stock anywhere. Go-to equatorial mounts, star trackers, everything I'm looking at is backordered indefinitely.

So right now I have a solid tripod and a good DSLR and a variety of fast lenses ranging from 35mm f/2 to 50/1.8 to 105/2.8 to 300/2.8 (and a teleconverter that changes that to 600/5.6). I figure the 300 is mostly useless for anything other than the moon or planets without any kind of tracking capability. But while I wait for something to get back in stock, I'd like to at least try to start learning how to do the post-processing aspect of things, image stacking and so forth.

What would be some good targets to photograph without tracking, keeping in mind I'm northern hemisphere in a Bortle 6ish zone? Pleiades?

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jan 8, 2021

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
I bought Yooper's Star Adventurer Pro so I could put my D850 and 300/2.8 on it and start taking some pictures and literally every night since I got it has been balls-freezing cold and cloudy AF. I am irked.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Can someone explain Deep Sky Stacker's score? I get that it's a relative measure of how useful each frame will be for stacking into the final image, but what I don't understand is what is a good minimum value? 1000? 500? 100?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Here is my third photo using a tracking mount and my 300mm 2.8 My first two were garbage, and I had to grab another counterweight to achieve balance. Anyway, I have a hell of a lot to learn, and I have to remember a hell of a lot of the Photoshop I've forgotten in the past 13 years thanks to Lightroom.



This is like 50ish minutes of exposure. I don't think I had the mount quite well-enough aligned; it's easy as hell to spot Polaris until you go and look through the little alignment scope and then I have no idea if I'm actually looking at the right star or not. I took longer exposures until trails became apparent, which was at 70 seconds, and backed off to 50 seconds from there.

Incidentally, I'm looking at the NPF rule for sharp stars, and I'm told it's

((3.5 * aperture)+(30*pixel pitch in micrometers))/focal length in millimeters = how long an exposure you can get away with without a tracking mount, in seconds.

And I am not understanding what that aperture value is doing in there. For example, with the lens and camera I'm using I get a range of exposures from:

((35*2.8)+(30*4.35))/300 = 0.76 seconds
to
((35*22)+(30*4.35))/300 = 3 seconds

If the image of the star moves across the sensor fast enough to generate a visible star trail if I expose for 0.76 seconds wide-open, why would stopping down allow to to get a longer exposure? The image is still moving just as fast across the sensor. What am I missing here?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Gotta say I will enjoy this even more when it gets a bit warmer. Come on, Spring.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Hasselblad posted:

Sadly as it gets warmer, Orion drifts into the daylight.

But I think I get the North America nebula in exchange.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
At least tarps are in stock, unlike everything else I want to buy.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Is there any resource that shows which Celestron mounts are the same as which Skywatcher mounts?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Cool, thanks, thought it was Celestron/Skywatcher that had the same parent company.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Thanks for all that. I'll just ask this then:

I'm looking for basically an HEQ-5, but I've also been looking for an EQ-6R because if I can actually get the thing instead of just looking at a web page that says "Backordered" I'll spend the extra money for it. Of course, they're just as backordered, and even the used ads on Astromart et al get snapped up instantly. But if I'm just looking for the capability/price of those mounts and aren't wedded to a particular brand (Does Synscan vs Some Other Thing make a difference?), what other makes/models should I include in my searching?

HEQ5/Orion Sirius/?
EQ-6R/Orion Atlas II/?

Got out last night for the first time in weeks (previous clear night was the night of the supermoon), and missed focus on M51. Gonna get a Bahtinov mask for the 300mm.

That brings to mind another question: how dependent are the focus masks on focal length? I'm shooting with an old manual Nikon 300mm 2.8 that has two teleconverters for it, a 1.5x and a 2x, so the focal length can be 300mm, 450mm, or 600mm; would I need a different mask for each focal length? A lot of vendors seem to sell a mask for range of ODs rather than focal lengths so I imagine it's not that critical.

Photo tax, here's the last thing I got that I'm happy with:

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Yooper posted:

As far as masks, if you've got a caliper and can measure the OD of the lens I'll 3d print you one, or a few. I use this page to get started - https://satakagi.github.io/tribahtinovWebApps/Bahtinov.html You can play with your focal length and see how it impacts the Bahtinov ratio. If it gets too tight you can do 3rd order, but I found that the thin slots didn't make much difference.

Thanks for the offer, and that link. I've got like half a dozen 3d printers at work I can use. What I'd really love is to have one with 122mm filter threads, but I'd probably have to go to metal for that and really it's probably not worth it.

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 18:40 on May 12, 2021

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
What's the source of the "1/3d from the left" histogram rule? Naively, what's the downside of going with more exposure and shifting the peak rightwards, provided you don't clip anything on the right side? When you stack it's going to stack the same way, isn't it? Or does more subs/shorter exposure vs. fewer subs/longer exposure integrate differently when all is said and done?

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 05:12 on May 18, 2021

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Flats just need to be the same ISO and aperture, right?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Rip Testes posted:

First bit of imaging for me in quite some time. Would love to do some of this awesome deep sky work in this thread if I ever obtain the gear.



Holy poo poo.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

AstroZamboni posted:

Unfortunately the neighborhood where I'm staying also has BRUTAL mosquitos. I'm getting eaten alive and my thermacell isn't up to the task.

100% DEET. poo poo works. A month in India and I got one bite, and that was in a hotel lobby after I’d already showered it off.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Internet Explorer posted:


Taken with a Fuji XT-20, Star Adventurer, and the Rokinon 135mm/F2. Stacked with DeepSkyStacker, edited in Photoshop. I think it's about 60 exposures, 2 mins, no dark/flats/bias shots. I feel like I can never get the red nebulosity out from the stars.

Normal digital cameras *strongly* filter out those red wavelengths because they're so sensitive to them. If you're looking to get a lot of hydrogen-alpha light you probably want to consider having your camera modded to remove the IR filter.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Hasselblad posted:

I'll be clamping my D700 onto my refractor if my field flattener ever arrives, and I believe SLRs are not on the list of usable cameras

If it handles ASCOM drivers (and it claims to) you should be able to get a DSLR working with it.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

hannibal posted:

Are there ASCOM drivers for any DSLRs? Canon & Nikon seem to be the most popular options and I've only ever seen Backyard EOS/Nikon recommended for them.

https://github.com/FearL0rd/ASCOM.DSLR
https://github.com/FearL0rd/ASCOM.DSLR/wiki/Installation

FWIW, although I haven't had a clear night to get outside and work with it yet, last week I installed EQMOD (for USB from my laptop out to my EQ-G mount), ASCOM, the ASCOM drivers for my D850, and NINA, and everything worked perfectly on the first try. Now I just need to install plate solving, and I really want to get outside and see how the polar alignment NINA plugin works.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Really liking NINA so far, but one thing I can't figure out how to do:

Is there a way to tell it to just leave sequence images on my camera? The laptop I use to run NINA and control the mount/camera is not the desktop I use for actual image processing, so the way NINA seems to work I have to plug a flash drive into the laptop, move my images to it, and then plug it into my desktop and do it again. If the images just wrote to the CF card in the camera in the first place then I'd only have to move them once.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

simble posted:

Horsehead Nebula (Barnard 33)

I’d just like to say “Holy poo poo.”

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
I've got what's probably a dumb question about DeepSkyStacker.

I take 40 bias/offset frames, and stack them all into MasterOffset.tif. My understand is that once I've done that, instead of stacking all those bias frames together with my light frames, I just bring in MasterOffset.tif, stack that with the light frames, and I'm done, right?

Okay, so let's say I go out tonight and shoot a bunch of photos of a target. I do my stacking, and I wind up with an output file, target.tif.

Then I go out at some point in the future, and take another night of exposures of that same target, and I want to stack the new exposures along with the old ones. Do I need to re-stack all the frames that went into making target.tif, or can I just stack target.tif alongside my new exposures?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

pumped up for school posted:

I've been thinking about a proper mount and guide cam for the house, because Polaris is hidden from my backyard. But then I think about the extra gear involved and I just recoil. Mostly because I just want to set up and start shooting in a few minutes. I guess that's something I need to get over.

I put together a cart that lets me do just that. Basically one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/LUXOR-EC11HD-B-Capacity-Shelves-Black/dp/B00I4TK20C?c=ts&refinements=p_n_material_browse%3A515306011&ts_id=490895011

Screwed a little USB hub to it, used VHB tape to stick various AC adapters to it, and screwed a power strip to the bottom shelf with an extension cord plugged into it, then set to with a bunch of zip ties. So I've got nice orderly bundle of wire that goes out to my equipment at one end, extension cord runs out the other end, and all I do is wheel it out into the backyard, plug the cord into the wall and the laptop into the USB hub.

It's not exactly something you can throw into the car and go somewhere else with but it really only takes about a minute to get everything set up and powered on, only a few minutes longer to get aligned and focused and tracking.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Beccara posted:

Hi All,

Looking for peoples views on 1st camera, I dont really wanna be upcycling alot so would prefer a camera that is going to suit for a while. I've narrowed what I can afford down to either a 70d or 700d, the 70d is about $100 more than the 700d and has a few features like 20 vs 18mp but I dont think they matter overall that much?

This would be a camera I'd like to get modded but looking at it nothing is jumping out at me as to WHY I would spend more for the 70d?

One thing is that if each generation of sensor will probably be better in so far as noise goes, but I believe those two use the same sensor and image processor (not a Canon guy.). I don’t expect there’s much of a difference at all between the two for taking photos of the sky.


I think I’m starting to get the hang of the whole post-processing rigamarole. Clear tonight (Bortle 7-8) so I got a couple hours on what I like to call the Goatse nebula.

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Mar 4, 2022

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
*Finally* had a clear night with good seeing so I stayed up until sunrise and got me some Veil nebula.



A question: what do you all do for star removal? What I've seen basically operates on color range, but in this one I have red stars and blue stars (almost certainly due to the filter), so it's not a simple matter to delete them on that basis, and if I use the Minimum filter in Photoshop it seriously fucks with the nebula itself.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Last night was the first night in a while it's been clear enough and I've been awake and motivated enough to stay out in the backyard, and I'm glad I did. I'm pretty happy with this, although I'd like to make it a bit less monochromatic.

North America Nebula by Phanatic, on Flickr


Aside: anyone using the new ZWO 5V focuser?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Base Emitter posted:

What sort of gear/process yielded that?

ASI2600MC Pro camera
ZWO Mini Guide Scope, I forget which camera is on it, it's like the cheapest one I could find
Orion EQ-G mount
Optolong L-Enhance filter (I'm in a Bortle 6, if it's a broadband target instead of an emission nebula I'll use the L-Pro instead)
Laptop running NINA, which is wonderful. The fact that you don't even need to see the pole in order to polar align is just great.

Process is set everything up in NINA, align, focus, start tracking, set up the sequencer to take a bunch of 3-minute exposures (in this case, 50), and then go inside to play Slay the Spire for a while and periodically go check on things. One thing NINA does not do with my mount for some reason is meridian flip, so when that becomes an issue I basically need to stop the sequence and do that and then start it again.

I use DeepSkyStacker to stack lights, darks, flats, and bias frames, and then use Photoshop for a bunch of curves adjustments and Lightroom to finish things. It's mainly in Photoshop where I feel like I'm flailing a bit, there's just a huge amount of power there and I know I'm barely touching it at this point.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Base Emitter posted:

Ahh, I didn't realize it made *that* much of a difference. Scrolling back through your posts you did in fact post something a year ago that bears a striking resemblance to what I got.

This is for Ha emission, right?

The problem is that DSLRs are so sensitive to infrared light that there's a very aggressive IR filter sitting there over the sensor, and this filter blocks a considerable majority of Ha light.

quote:

Does this problem affect other kinds of objects like galaxies?

No. Ha comes from emission nebula, something where there's a nearby source of UV light energetic enough to ionize the hydrogen in the nebula. A galaxy is just a big broadband source.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Got the Bubble and Lobster Claw last night. This is about 2 hours of exposure, I really need to get more because this stuff is pretty faint.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

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Anyone able to tell me wtf is going on with my dark frames?

Here's a 3-minute frame:



That's what I'd expect to see, just some low level of random noise.

Here's a 5-minute frame:



What the hell is that? It doesn't look like amp glow, and whatever it is Deep Sky Stacker isn't effectively removing it so if I use dark frames with exposures that long, my tiff image looks like clouds were rolling in while I took it.


So that's why this photo didn't use dark frames:

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Yep, that sure looks like it. Now that it's dark out (and I put a jacket over the entire thing just in case), the longer darks are just fine. Thanks much.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

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Dmitri-9 posted:

Software - DeepSkyStacker, SIRIL, GIMP

Just out of curiosity, why DSS and SIRIL? What are you doing with DSS that SIRIL doesn’t do?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

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xzzy posted:

The media coverage really oversold the event. They billed it as the best comet EVER because no one's seen it since the neanderthals and always included epic photos showing a really long tail creating the impression it's another neowise.

I'm not super mad, it still got me outside staring at the stars, but it was certainly a dud of a comet watching night.

An old story.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
I’m still waiting for Betelgeuse to cook off. Could happen any time between right now and the next couple hundred thousand years.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Gave SIRIL a try.

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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

PerniciousKnid posted:

I saw Hale Bopp at an astronomy club event through somebody's fancy scope so I definitely was ruined for other space crap for a while.

In the suburbs I feel like I can barely see the whole thing.

Dark zones are amazing. My gf and I went on a vacation on South Caicos and you walk outside and look up and the Milky Way is right up in your face, you don’t even need to dark-acclimate.

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