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Thirteen Orphans posted:How would one find an address for, say, an actor to write a fan letter? I’d love to send a letter to Joaquin Phoenix. You can look up celebrity agents at https://www.whorepresents.com/ (no, really).
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I maintain that I do not care about the UK royal family, but the headline that Prince Harry has become a US resident got me thinking: What do countries (or at least the US) do with immigrants who do not have a surname as such? Harry I think would have used sometimes nothing at all and sometimes any of various ones on his paperwork in the UK. But others might never have used any kind of surname officially. Is there a preference to using a middle name as a surname if possible? Are you asked to make one up? Does it continue being blank?
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Bright Bart posted:I maintain that I do not care about the UK royal family, but the headline that Prince Harry has become a US resident got me thinking: There's a whole thing about using FNU, or first name unknown for a.lot of folks coming from different countries with different naming conventions. It sucks for a lot of reasons, but that's one option. Or LNU I'm this case.
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Bright Bart posted:I maintain that I do not care about the UK royal family, but the headline that Prince Harry has become a US resident got me thinking: They use this 
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Bright Bart posted:I maintain that I do not care about the UK royal family, but the headline that Prince Harry has become a US resident got me thinking: Isn't he
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Hyperlynx posted:Isn't he No. He's Henry of house Windsor. It's basically the same but special because he's a prince.
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In actual practice he'd likely use Windsor or Sussex, just for administrative reasons. Or who knows maybe he managed to get a passport with his mom's last name on it and he goes by Spencer. The UK passport office will have guidelines for this and because any govt ID he gets in the US will be based on the information in his British document, that's where his name will come from
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EricBauman posted:In actual practice he'd likely use Windsor or Sussex, just for administrative reasons. I recall him being called Lieutenant Wales in some news report way back. Anyway, the Lebron/Tyson tattoo copyright lawsuit got me thinking, obviously an architect can copyright a design for construction, but does the group who built the Burj Khalifa or Steinway Tower get paid if their building is clearly in a film or rendered in a game?
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I was under the impression that he had used several of these at different times, yes. Which makes me wonder if US immigration let him choose one or gave specific demands like the most recent one he had on his passport. Maybe he got to choose but then again maybe some tired office worker was having none of it and stamped it Henry David and told him to get it changed if it bother him. Bright Bart fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Apr 19, 2024 09:26
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Arbite posted:I recall him being called Lieutenant Wales in some news report way back. Depends on the jurisdiction. Panorama rights (that's the term you'll want to google for) is a mess. And it's likely to get worse!
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It's normal to only have one name in plenty of places so immigration systems are used to dealing with it, for Australia you just put your name in the family name section and leave the first name section blank. You should use the name in your passport cause imagine trying to get on a plane when your visa and your passport name are different.
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Organza Quiz posted:It's normal to only have one name in plenty of places Is it? Indonesia, sure. Some Pacific cultures I guess? Iceland and presumably many other places have the patronymic thing, but that always(?) gives you two names.
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Time to share a classic. https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
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Ras Het posted:Is it? Indonesia, sure. Some Pacific cultures I guess? Iceland and presumably many other places have the patronymic thing, but that always(?) gives you two names. It's pretty common in India from what I can tell from my clients. Sikhs for example sometimes use Singh/Kaur as a family name but it isn't one and plenty don't use it that way. But also I've seen plenty of people who aren't Sikh and just have one name.
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Organza Quiz posted:for Australia you just put your name in the family name section and leave the first name section blank I might be mistaken but for Australia the persons's one name would become their family name and they would have no first name anymore? So Prince Harry would just be Given name: [first name unkown] Surname: Henry if he moved to Australia? Well actually he has a few given names. Does the last or another of these become the surname? That would make more sense than his last name becoming all of his given names and leaving him without one. Organza Quiz posted:It's pretty common in India from what I can tell from my clients. Sikhs for example sometimes use Singh/Kaur as a family name but it isn't one and plenty don't use it that way. But also I've seen plenty of people who aren't Sikh and just have one name. And the local ID they show you just has that one name?
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He'd probably just be Prince Harry bc Australia is still subservient to Britain. I'm from America and am uninterested in corrections on this point.
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ultrafilter posted:You can look up celebrity agents at https://www.whorepresents.com/ (no, really).
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Bright Bart posted:I might be mistaken but for Australia the persons's one name would become their family name and they would have no first name anymore? Er no you still just have one name which is your name, but when you do visa documents the way you indicate that is to fill in the family name section because that's how the system is designed. Other systems that you enter your name in might be designed differently and have different instructions. You might be getting confused because you have an idea that there is just one system recording peoples' names that is The One Truth Of Name and also reflects how people think of names. This is not the case. I was specifically answering for visa applications because I know how that works, but for example insurance or drivers license systems might want you to do something else to indicate you have only one name. Also in reality people use different variations of their name, I've had people using three or four variations for different processes, although that's often people who have very long names by our standards so they abbreviate bits for different purposes. Or people who have changed their name due to marriage but still use their unmarried name for some things.
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How did western culture settle on two names anyway, and why do middle names exist?
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Organza Quiz posted:You might be getting confused because you have an idea that there is just one system recording peoples' names that is The One Truth Of Name and also reflects how people think of names. This is not the case. Okay I am well aware that there are different systems for recording names and that these may be different and even seemingly contradictory within one jurisdiction. I experienced this myself as someone where, in the country I was born, some authorities recognized parts of my name while others did not and/or used different elements from said name for different fields. That is actually probably the reason this piqued my interest in the first place.
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two fish posted:How did western culture settle on two names anyway, and why do middle names exist? It probably varies a lot because the west is not really a uniform entity, but middle names are often a good way to pass on the names of grandparents or other loved ones. Like my niece has a first name that my brother and his wife chose, but she has her two grandmother's names as her middle names.
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two fish posted:How did western culture settle on two names anyway, and why do middle names exist? I don't know. I do know how the two name system was formalized in the Netherlands, because it is a somewhat famous story. It happened during the (Napoleonic) French occupation. The French decided it would be a good idea to have each town make a registry of all people living there. So they had everyone come up to the town hall and say their name. Now, back then, plenty of people didn't really have a family name as such. Family names were for nobility. Maybe their last name was just "father name's son" or people referred to them by their occupation. But the French demanded one. So, most people who didn't use a family name gave the French either "father's son" kind of last name or something like "baker" or "miller" or whatever. But there were also those who were convinced that the French wouldn't stay for too long (which turned out to be true) and that things would "go back to normal" once they were gone and the name registry would be dropped (which turned out to be wrong). So they put down joke names like "poopies" or "born naked" to mess with the authorities. So to this day, there's Dutch families with "poopies" or "born naked" as their last names.
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Carbon dioxide posted:So they put down joke names like "poopies" or "born naked" to mess with the authorities. https://www.naamkunde.net/?page_id=162
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What sort of voters are attracted to Kennedy? I thought Trump had a monopoly on the conspiracy theorist demographic.
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two fish posted:What sort of voters are attracted to Kennedy? I thought Trump had a monopoly on the conspiracy theorist demographic. "lefty" antivaxxers, russell brand fans and people so old they just hear "kennedy" and vote reflexively
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two fish posted:What sort of voters are attracted to Kennedy? I thought Trump had a monopoly on the conspiracy theorist demographic. They're most commonly known as 'idiots'
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Yngwie Mangosteen posted:They're most commonly known as 'idiots' That's a very large demographic though
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Homeopathy enthusiasts and people who buy Goop products e: that unintentionally came across as gendered I think. I mean impressionable folks who identify as leftists but are distrustful of mainstream politics and science. There's also some cognitive dissonance where Kennedy fans on both sides of the political spectrum selectively ignore some of his contradictory positions Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Apr 20, 2024 |
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Conspiracy theorists have a huge overlap with reactionary lunatic poo poo but there's definitely a type who are into conspiracy poo poo but still consider themselves liberal or anti-establishment and support people like Kennedy. Marianne Williamson had some support from that demographic before but I think he was also just trying to cash in on being named Kennedy. Boomers had a weird obsession with JFK and formed a lot of their political identity around him so name recognition gets you somewhere with that one.
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Flournival Dixon posted:Conspiracy theorists have a huge overlap with reactionary lunatic poo poo but there's definitely a type who are into conspiracy poo poo but still consider themselves liberal or anti-establishment and support people like Kennedy. Marianne Williamson had some support from that demographic before but I think he was also just trying to cash in on being named Kennedy. Boomers had a weird obsession with JFK and formed a lot of their political identity around him so name recognition gets you somewhere with that one. I'd go a bit further and say that until recently, conspiracy theory types tended to come in equal parts far right and far left. It's only recently that trunp and the internet broke people's brains and generated a ton of new far right conspiracy nuts, who now very much outnumber the left ones, but the left ones are still out there (much like the truth *x-files theme plays*)
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I get the feeling that in previous generations they were more liberal leaning because of the hippy movement which was full of anti-establishment types who also thought that crytals and homeopathy and magic and poo poo were real, whereas the right wing conspiracy guys were just the hardcore nazi types who thought the race war was coming. I think 9/11, electing a black president, and the Trump Qanon stuff were all pretty big shifts in conspiracy poo poo appealing to right-wingers who don't openly identify as neo-nazis digging bunkers to prepare for the race war, but it's hard to say what would have happened without the internet creating a space for the most insane people in the world to easily congregate and share bad ideas.
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whats really weird is that there are conspiracy "factions" on opposing sides that are both pointing to Kennedy's as future leaders. leftish conspiracy theorists, as discussed, support Robert F Kennedy, and there are some right wing conspiracy people aligned with Q who thought John F Kennedy was going to come back from the dead and appear in Dallas to do.. something (i thought "save us" but that would be weird because i thought right wingers didnt like JFK much either but maybe the ghost version is different?)
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The 90's was all about right wing conspiracy theorists doing militia poo poo and bombing stuff.
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Yeah they were definitely more materially mobile and active but I feel like by number there was less of them than liberal style ones. I guess I don't really have numbers for back then and I'm just guessing on vibe though.
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the idea that crystals have magical powers is silly and bullshit but it's not a "conspiracy theory" per se because the belief, in and of itself, doesn't involve a conspiracy. the idea that big pharmaceutical companies are doing evil poo poo is also not really a "conspiracy theory" in the traditional sense because many major pharma companies have literally pled guilty to and been convicted of criminal conspiracies. purdue for a recent example. this doesn't mean that all the bullshit about homeopathy and crystals are legitimate of course, but its not really the same thing as the right wing conspiracy theories which are often, at their core, a repackaging of medieval blood libel poo poo. much of qanon specifically certainly is.
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Earwicker posted:the idea that crystals have magical powers is silly and bullshit but it's not a "conspiracy theory" per se because the belief, in and of itself, doesn't involve a conspiracy. There is a "wellness to qanon" pipeline, though. From yoga and crystals (so especially the more ~spiritual~ side of the wellness spectrum) to rightwing conspiracies. Strikingly, there is no leftwing equivalent
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EricBauman posted:There is a "wellness to qanon" pipeline, though. ive practiced yoga on and off for decades and never heard anyone mention any kind of conspiracy, nor anything related to politics at all  it's almost entirely focused on breathing and stretching and bodily movements, and yes there is sometimes a "spiritual side" that is there to varying degrees in different practices but the focus of that is still very much on peacefulness and emptying the mind and, ultimately, just making your body feel better. and its a pretty small part of it. i have no idea how anyone is connecting that to right wing conspiracies, or to conspiracies of any political persuasion for that matter. 99% of what you hear in a typical yoga class is just specific instructions about where to place/move your body and thats pretty much it nor anything to do with crystals for that matter. like i get that, in a broad social sense people in the us still stereotypically associate yoga with "hippies" (though that seems like a very boomer mentality to me) and thus also with crystals and thus with the type of thinking that leads to qanon but suggesting there is a "pipeline" from yoga to rightwing conspiracies seems like a pretty huge stretch. like ive just literally never heard anyone mention politics at all in 25 years of going to yoga classes all over the place. nor heard anything about the magical power of crystals. though ive avoided some of the "cultier" seeming ones i guess maybe thats why Earwicker fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Apr 20, 2024 |
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It's more wellness influencers than in-person, in my understanding.
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All conspiracy theories end up at The Jews so it's going to trend towards fascists.
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Earwicker posted:ive practiced yoga on and off for decades and never heard anyone mention any kind of conspiracy, nor anything related to politics at all This is an article from Wired I read about it, and yeah it seems to be more about yoga influencers rather than the in person classes
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