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Okay, so the issue definitely seems to be the Max app on the AppleTV. Not sure what to do about that other than not use Max, but that's kinda disappointing.
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Branch Nvidian posted:Okay, so the issue definitely seems to be the Max app on the AppleTV. Not sure what to do about that other than not use Max, but that's kinda disappointing. Every combination of streaming app/dongle/TV/etc seems to be broken or incompatible in some way the whole ecosystem is kind of janky
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distortion park posted:Every combination of streaming app/dongle/TV/etc seems to be broken or incompatible in some way the whole ecosystem is kind of janky I also learned that apparently you only get stereo sound from Max unless you're paying for their TWENTY loving DOLLARS A MONTH tier, so that could also be part of the issue in this case since the ATV and/or the soundbar are trying to turn that into a 3.1.3 mix.
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Branch Nvidian posted:I also learned that apparently you only get stereo sound from Max unless you're paying for their TWENTY loving DOLLARS A MONTH tier, so that could also be part of the issue in this case since the ATV and/or the soundbar are trying to turn that into a 3.1.3 mix. I thought they did 5.1 on regular tiers but left Atmos/Dolby Vision for the expensive plan. I finally started getting 5.1 on Hulu since they didn't support my top of the line Sony/Google tv for some reason. The fix, use the Disney+ app.
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Animale posted:I thought they did 5.1 on regular tiers but left Atmos/Dolby Vision for the expensive plan. I’m just gonna go back to Blu-rays.
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Branch Nvidian posted:I’m just gonna go back to Blu-rays. I hear a lot of folks are doing that, right as they stop making very many and brick and mortar stores are dumping them
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Hello thread. There's no dedicated Speakers thread, so I figured you might know: what does that triangular wedge on the Klipsch La Scala low-range cabinet actually do? Because the actual woofer is apparently pointing backwards: They do sound great! And given how eye-wateringly expensive they are, they better. I'm obviously not in the market, but I am curious what (if anything) the wedge does.
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# ? Apr 10, 2024 18:59 |
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It's called a folded horn. The woofer is facing backwards to make a longer path for the sound to travel through the cabinet. The triangle is so the opening expands out (like a horn), which guides the sound waves. Same reason there are those two smaller triangles inside.
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Ah, thanks! I was familiar with the folded part of that design but only in the context of subwoofer tubes. The "horn" part is new to me. Just knowing the name of the design was educational and led me to this guy who was making a very similar cabinet and... gave up on it, because it wasn't responding how he had hoped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZZlhgLCDc&t=580s He was winging a lot (most?) of the design, by his own admission. As someone who typically takes his idiot projects to the bitter end, I wish to have that wisdom to quit when the time comes.
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Another update: I did end up grabbing a KC62 refurb from A4L. I still need to re-run Audyssey, but so far it sounds great and more importantly, it makes my girlfriend much happier with our living room setup. For what it's worth, if any of you are in the DC area and want a good deal on a pair of Q350s and/or a PB-1000, feel free to DM me! This is more of a question for down the line - I currently have a 55" LG E8, and I'm looking to upgrade to a 2023/2024 65" model later in the year. I'll also upgrade my receiver, since I'm currently using a Denon X1400H and it doesn't support HDMI 2.1. Given that my LS50 Metas can draw up to 100W, should I go for an X3700H/X3800H for more power, or stick with the X1700H/X1800H? I don't have any plans to go beyond a 2.1 setup - this is more than enough for my needs.
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The question “how much amplifier power do I need” should always be answered with the questions “how loud do you want to play” and “how sensitive are your speakers”. The reason audiophiles buy amps with crazy wattages is because they want to play very loud. Louder than you think. No, even louder than that. If you are not in the habit of doing that, you’ll probably be fine with whatever base model the big manufacturers make. Edit: The X1800H is claimed to rock 80W per channel, and your speakers seem to be rated at 85dB per watt which is in the lower range of "average". Normal for smaller enclosures. Still, I’ll bet a few dollars that you’ll never crank them to the point where the X1800H starts clipping due to lack of power. Edit 2: At 1 W power, you'll be hearing 85 dB at 1 m distance, straight in front. If you want 88 dB (twice as loud), you'll need 2 W. 91 dB? 3 W. Etc. Put your numbers into this SPL calculator to find out how loud your stereo is going to play. If you turn it up any louder than that, your amp will start distorting the signal, and it will be the ugly digital clipping distortion of a transistor ripping your expensive tweeters apart with sharp upper harmonics. Edit 3: The number you quote, "LS50 Metas can draw up to 100W", where did you get it? The KEF web site seems to state "Amplifier Power (Recommended): 40-100 W". That's not the same as "it can't handle more than 100W" or even "you should drive this using an amp of 100W". It just means, in order to reach decent listening volume without distortion, you'll need 40W; further, if you drive it using a 100W amp and crank it until the amp starts clipping, that's just about as loud as they will recommend you go before the woofer extends too far and risks damage. I.e. the rated maximum output: 106 dB. Incidentally, you put 100W @ 3 ft, 1 channel into that SPL calculator, you'll get somewhere around 106 dB out! See how the numbers fit together? Hippie Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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The LS50s get to pretty low impedance [3.2 ohms] in the bass frequencies but if you’re using a sub you should be fine. The only reason you might want to spring for a more expensive model would be if you want pre outs for future flexibility. In use the difference between 80 and 100 watts isn’t really going to be noticeable.
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That makes perfect sense, thanks guys. The speakers are about 10 feet away from our couch, so we have no reason to turn them up that much, and we have neighbors on each side (brownstone/row house). Since we're not going beyond 2.1 for the foreseeable future, I'll stay with the X1x00H series.
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I'm putting together a little speaker set for a small room. I currently have a Lepai 2020AD and a pair of Sony SS-CS5 bookshelves. I may eventually upgrade the speakers to a pair of Overnight Sensations DIY speaker kit. The Lepai works but it's struggling to power the speakers so I'm looking to upgrade the amp. I don't have a lot of space so I'd like to keep it to about the same size as the Lepai. I'm hoping to spend $50-$100. This is currenlty on sale for ~$56: https://a.co/d/07JE9ry This is also ~$56: https://a.co/d/5NatYsX Are there any other amps I should be looking at in this price range? This is going to be connected to a raspberry pi so no need for bluetooth or anything.
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Here's a fun issue for the thread to help me with : I've mad my Samsung s92c hooked up to my avr via hdmi arc since I got the TV last summer, haven't changed the setup since, but am now experiencing a problem where the sound will sporadically cut out for a second, maybe every 5 mins or so. This problem only occurs when I am watching stuff directly from the TV itself (eg Netflix or BBC iplayer), and not when I'm passing audio thru from the ps5 or my cable box. This makes me think that it must be something to do with the audio processing being carried out by the TV itself. I have tried switching cables and it makes no difference. The only setting I can change which resolves the issue is switching the audio output format to pcm, which means I lose 5.1 benefits. I have no idea how to resolve this issue, and it's annoying as hell. Any ideas?
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# ? Apr 18, 2024 19:44 |
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The Perfect Element posted:The only setting I can change which resolves the issue is switching the audio output format to pcm, which means I lose 5.1 benefits. It was my understanding that PCM was uncompressed audio. You will get the full 5.1 audio...
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SA Forums Poster posted:It was my understanding that PCM was uncompressed audio. You will get the full 5.1 audio... In theory, but I think steaming services just output in Dolby, and if you change the setting to pcm you just get stereo.
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# ? Apr 19, 2024 07:24 |
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The Perfect Element posted:In theory, but I think steaming services just output in Dolby, and if you change the setting to pcm you just get stereo. That's not generally true, but it's possible that the version of HDMI-ARC the OP is using is only able to pass two uncompressed channels.
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# ? Apr 19, 2024 10:11 |
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HDMI ARC can send only compressed audio surround signals (Dolby, DTS) or PCM (uncompressed) 2.0. HDMI eARC can send that plus PCM 5.1 and 7.1. So if your TV and AVR support HDMI eARC, then just leave it at the PCM setting.
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Most TVs and streaming dongles such as Chromecast GTV etc only seem to support Dolby Digital and Digital+ for streaming apps so I wouldn't expect to get multi channel PCM out of them even via eARC. Plex supports passthrough, and my Xbox will decode whatever the streaming app throws at it and send it to my AVR as 5.1 PCM - but I suspect Netflix, Prime etc are not streaming uncompressed audio.
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Long story semi short - I have a choice to make in coming weeks/months. My wife and I are currently having a house built. L shaped family room in the basement will end up as a pinball / TV area. Essentially this: The top portion for my dumb rear end square footage eating hobby, with the lower small section intended for TV. It's not marked, but the lower portion is essentially 11'x17'. It's been years and a cross country move since I last had anything beyond a 2.0 set up for TV/Movies, and I'm basically starting from scratch with regards to equipment. I do OK financially, but I'm far from made of money and tend to be a bang for your buck type of guy with regards to purchases. Eventual TV will most likely be a 77" LG OLED, 83" if I can stomach the price difference. If buying today I'd probably go with the Costco Denon S760H that gets mentioned so much. Speakers (and budget for them) to be determined. Two questions for now. The most extravagant thing I've done in years past was a 5.1 set up and I loved it. My wife and I have been just running a basic 2.0 setup for years now, and frankly I don't even pay attention to audio streams at this point. Given that the Costco Denon can do 7.2 and is Atmos capable, I'm wondering if I should focus on a 7.1 (I don't see adding a 2nd sub) or having things wired for 2 ceiling speakers to take some advantage of Atmos and going with 5.1.2 Thoughts on 7.1 vs. 5.1.2? Based on nothing at all, I assume there's more 7.1 content out there than Atmos mixes? But my wife likes cable management and the idea of speakers in the ceiling is appealing on a visual level. I assume most things wouldn't utilize them at all, but be cool when they did. (And even if that reduces things to basically 5.1 - it's still going to be 100X better than what I've had the last 10+ years. Additionally - thoughts on orientation? Again - based on nothing at all, my head immediately pictures a couch facing down in that picture, with a TV mounted on the bottom wall. This has the wife related benefit of being able to keep visible wiring to a minimum. If things were rotated 90 degrees, it seems we'd need to have at least one surround speaker a bit out in the open - two if going with 7.1 Any input greatly appreciated, of course.
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# ? May 1, 2024 00:39 |
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Atmos over 7.1 every day (you could try both and see which you liked better and return one pair of speakers too). Plan seems sound. You’ll want your surrounds in a 5.1 a bit to the left and right of your couch, facing the couch (probably on stands).
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with 5.1.2(or ideally 5.1.4) over 7.1 Also glad that you settled on in-ceiling speakers, as it's the best option for atmos. I guess ceiling mounted also does the same thing, but it's less aesthetically pleasing. e: Your couch / tv orientation seems fine too. As Dogen said, you can(and should) place the 2 surround speakers just slightly behind you to the left and right. You can wall mount them and still get the proper effect. Just be sure to tell your AVR where they are located, roughly, during the set up. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 12:24 on May 1, 2024 |
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I got 2 giant front speakers and that has freed up 2 of my satellite speakers to be used as 7.1 instead of a 5.1 system but my baseboard and quarter round trim is extremely tight in spots with bigger gaps elsewhere and the wire I finessed under there has kept popping out. I'm sure this has been covered here before, but if anyone has a recommendation for some sort of decent looking product or method for hiding speaker wire like a conduit or I suppose I could even replace the quarter round with something hollow, I'm fairly handy and tooled up.
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My dad, like so many dads, is a Bose guy and he's downsizing and just offloaded two 501 Series V floorstanders onto me. I was reluctant to take them because space is kind of a struggle for us too, but for free they're not half bad! They sounded like dogshit when I first hooked them up but I screwed around with their positioning in the room and they're fairly decent! It makes me kind of sick to think what he probably paid for them new and what he could have gotten instead but he's that guy through and through.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Just be sure to tell your AVR where they are located, roughly, during the set up. I think the 760 has audyssey!
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I grew tired of having to pause the TV when I go to the kitchen even though the screen is visible (although 34 feet away) so I bi-wired the Denon S760H with my new SVS Prime Center Speaker and a Rocketfish wireless which sends out to the old Polk CS10 center speaker that is now in the kitchen - so I can now hear dialogue/sports when I'm at the sink. It works perfectly with no impacts to quality or any delay.
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Thanks for the advice/confirmation. Of course since posting I've just googled a load of "7.1 vs. 5.1.2" articles/posts and it seems a pretty easy choice to me. I like the idea of sound from above way more than even more sound on a 2D plane, and the added benefit of speakers out of the way keeps the wife happy. (This is where I stress that my wife is awesome as Hell, but just doesn't get nerdy about the same poo poo as me. e.g. I currently have 5 drat pinball machines in our apartment living room.)CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:with 5.1.2(or ideally 5.1.4) over 7.1 5.1.4 is tempting in theory, since we're building and if you're ever going to put in 4 ceiling speakers - now's the time. Not too sure that I'd care to pay up for a receiver that could do it though. And while I could wire things for 4 ceiling speakers now and just add them later if a 9 channel receiver was affordable, my understanding is that the placement wouldn't be correct until I upgraded. ie - if I wire for 4 but only put in 2 to start - wouldn't those 2 be out of place for a 5.1.2 set up?
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Counterpoint/Devil's advocate take: spend 100% of your speaker money on 2 or 3 high output theater speakers and multiple good subs. get some crappy wallmounts for side channels if you must. This may not work if the speakers need to be not ugly, because man those things are ugly. e: I just remembered the the JBL HDI series has proper compression drivers and bonus they don't look terrible. qirex fucked around with this message at 22:21 on May 1, 2024 |
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7.x is great but your room isn’t the greatest layout for it
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# ? May 1, 2024 23:03 |
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I'd go for 5.1.2, and put 70% of the speaker budget into Front left/right/center, and get scrimp on the satellite/ceiling apeakers
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Tony Phillips posted:5.1.4 is tempting in theory, since we're building and if you're ever going to put in 4 ceiling speakers - now's the time. Not too sure that I'd care to pay up for a receiver that could do it though. And while I could wire things for 4 ceiling speakers now and just add them later if a 9 channel receiver was affordable, my understanding is that the placement wouldn't be correct until I upgraded. ie - if I wire for 4 but only put in 2 to start - wouldn't those 2 be out of place for a 5.1.2 set up? I think front height is what I'd go with to start anyways and then add back height later. Most objects don't use the spatial audio part so the height speakers will often all play the same thing regardless: https://www.audioholics.com/audio-technologies/dolby-atmos-best-setup-practices But this receiver will to 5.1.4 and I don't think is too crazy expensive https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/onktxnr7100-rb/onkyo-tx-nr7100-dirac-9.2-ch-x-100w-thx-8k-a/v-receiver/1.html Edit: even this 11.2 channel monster is "only" $850: https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/onktxrz50-rb/onkyo-tx-rz50-dirac-9.2-ch-x-120w-thx-8k-a/v-receiver/1.html KillHour fucked around with this message at 00:00 on May 2, 2024 |
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Wouldn’t trust an onkyo refurb unless things have changed a lot but it has nice specs
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Dogen posted:Wouldn’t trust an onkyo refurb unless things have changed a lot but it has nice specs The thing that used to fail on them was the HDMI board and these are totally new boards since they are 8k now. Not saying the new boards won't also be lemons, but I have no reason to expect that they will.
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I hate my Onkyo receiver, so many features just literally stopped working like the Bluetooth, online music streaming, it's randomly blasted white noise at 100% volume in the middle of the night that nearly gave my wife and I a heart attack.. Their build quality is poo poo and Denon/Yamaha/a few others are just so much more reliable that they're worth the extra price for the same feature set
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Mederlock posted:I hate my Onkyo receiver, so many features just literally stopped working like the Bluetooth, online music streaming, it's randomly blasted white noise at 100% volume in the middle of the night that nearly gave my wife and I a heart attack.. I've had both Onkyo and Denon, and I've never had a problem with either, but I've found that Denon likes to gate a lot of otherwise common features (like zone 2) behind very expensive models. But here's a Denon https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx3800h-rb/denon-avr-x3800h-9.4-ch-x-105-watts-8k-a/v-receiver-w/heos/1.html And a Yamaha https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/yamrxa6a-rb/yamaha-rx-a6a-9.2-ch-x-150-watts-a/v-receiver/1.html Would I pay twice as much for them? Ehhhhh... KillHour fucked around with this message at 00:21 on May 2, 2024 |
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Yeah they’re all owned by the same loving company but I just hear bad things about Onkyo
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Dogen posted:Yeah they’re all owned by the same loving company but I just hear bad things about Onkyo AFAIK, Onkyo and Pioneer are one company, while Denon and Marantz are another. Yamaha is independent.
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KillHour posted:AFAIK, Onkyo and Pioneer are one company, while Denon and Marantz are another. Yamaha is independent. Wasn’t trying to include Yamaha but denon marantz and onkyo and I think now pioneer are the same owner anyway, I don’t know how closely they work together or whatever (denon/marantz are close historically I think)
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Dogen posted:Wasn’t trying to include Yamaha but denon marantz and onkyo and I think now pioneer are the same owner anyway, I don’t know how closely they work together or whatever (denon/marantz are close historically I think) Nope. Denon and Marantz are under DEI Holdings. Onkyo, Integra and Pioneer are under Voxx/Sharp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEI_Holdings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxx_International As a fun fact, Voxx owns Klipsch, which is why new Onkyo receivers have a special Klipsch-optimized mode, whatever that means. DEI has Polk and B&W.
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