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What are the major differences between the 2 trek universes now? - Kirk is a Captain way earlier - Vulcan is destroyed
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Dec 18, 2012 20:17
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MadScientistWorking posted:If the comics are canon: So enough has happened differently where basically anything could happen going forward.
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Dec 18, 2012 20:43
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Yeah but they don't even have to worry about continuity, even if they started out worrying about it, because everything is so different now. I think it is neat because it creates a new universe where we don't know what is going to happen and at the same time there is a whole layer of "how this is different from TOS" to sperg about (positive sperging.)
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Dec 18, 2012 21:15
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What didn't you like about the new Spock for example? I though he was done well.
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Feb 16, 2013 01:40
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I just saw this and I was super happy that the effort I made to not be spoiled paid off. The Khan reveal was amazing. Also, the difference between Kirk's KHAAAAAN and Spock's KHAAAAN was poignant I think in that Spock's was genuine rage. I can't even engage in this "whitewashing" argument as Montalbán was white, or of European decent, as far as I can tell.
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May 26, 2013 02:52
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There are people of European decent or "white" in Mexico.
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May 26, 2013 03:02
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I dont know why we are viewing this through a hyper focused US political spectrum. Even in the US it is arguable whether white people from Spanish speaking countries are "white" and changes on the context.
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May 26, 2013 03:14
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The Warszawa posted:Probably because we're talking about the racial politics of casting in an American television show, American movie franchise, and American sci-fi franchise. This is like saying "Well, Uhura being on the bridge in TOS isn't a big deal, why are we looking at this through a hyper focused US political spectrum." The context matters. I understand what you are saying. And I guess I can see in that, in the US at least, a British accent is favored over a Spanish accent, and casting Cumberpatch over whatever the modern equivalent of Montalban is somewhat of a "whitewash."
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May 26, 2013 03:29
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Cumberpatch isn't American though, like Montalban was not from the USA, which was my point. I agree a white person with a Spanish accent is not as favored in America as a white person with a British or English accent. So while it is "whitewashing" I think it is pretty minor.
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May 26, 2013 04:32
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edit Forget it, it was a good sci fi movie. euphronius fucked around with this message at 04:47 on May 26, 2013 |
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May 26, 2013 04:45
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There is also that whole kill all the genetically inferior humans thing.
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May 26, 2013 22:55
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The way I was counting it in my head watching while watching the movie: 1. Bombing London: ambiguous given the military nature of the target. 2. San Francisco attack: same 3. Killing a bunch of Klingons: Ambiguous. It was maybe in self defense, but the humans were the aggressors there. Up to this point, in my head Khan's evilness is up in the air, especially when he agrees to help Kirk. 4. Takes over bridge of the Vengeance: Ambiguous again, as it was KIrk who "shot first", but he does go a little overboard with the head smushing and knee breaking. The needle is pointing towards evil. I think at this point future Spock also gives us his caveat re Khan and it is discussed how he is planning to genocide genetically inferior humans. 5. Opens fire on Enterprise: Again! ambiguous as it was likely the Enterprise was out to get him, which turned out to be true. (although he was giving off many SMG's tics here) 6. Crashes into San Francisco: The most evil of his acts, at the end of the movie. euphronius fucked around with this message at 23:27 on May 26, 2013 |
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May 26, 2013 23:04
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The movie says like five times if they stayed there much longer the Klingons would have found them eventually.
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May 28, 2013 13:39
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Exactly. Lost didn't answer all the mysteries I wanted answered and I didn't understand Prometheus, so therefore anything done by Lindelof is a priori bad .
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May 28, 2013 14:39
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Kirk's mission into the Klingon homeworld to capture Khan (Or Harrison at that time) had delightful resonance with the US's mission into Pakistan to "capture" Osama Bin Laden. Was it an "Act of War"? Arguable these days.
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May 28, 2013 18:01
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Wasn't the whole point that Earth wasn't actually at war with the Klingons. I might be missing something.
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May 30, 2013 21:45
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I thought Kirk punching Khan over and over was a nice, blunt way of showing the impotence of Kirk's anger.
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May 31, 2013 16:30
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Maybe the center of the sun is 0,0,0 and then you add in a time as well?
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Jun 3, 2013 19:12
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Scotty says in the first 5 minutes of the film that the film makes no sense. You should probably believe him.
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Jun 3, 2013 21:06
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edit Nevermind.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:10
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My wife has never seen any non Abrams move Trek and grasped the character of Khan quite well so I think it probably worked well without knowing the references.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:26
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The Warszawa posted:
This is where you are losing me because Montalban was of Spanish decent, ie "white" if you ignore the nationality aspects of it.
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Jun 7, 2013 20:08
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Yes I am trying to square all of what you wrote together. If Montalblan was born in Florida, he would be white. Since he was born in Meixco is not. How is that not then all based on nationalism. (holding in mind you wrote "It's also not about nationality, it's about race")
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Jun 7, 2013 20:18
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People from Spain aren't white?
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Jun 7, 2013 20:20
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I would consider a person of white Spanish decent who lived in Florida or Pennsylvania to be a white Hispanic. I think the US government does too. The 2010 US census says that 26.7 million Hispanics consider themselves white. . . so. . . That is the understanding I have of the issue. I am going to guess white people who live in Spain probably consider themselves to be white as well. I do not see how "Hispanic" or "Latino" informs at all about race, which is why I asked you about your statement where you said "It's also not about nationality, it's about race". VVV Possibly but I am just trying to understand the arguments and distinctions being made. euphronius fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jun 7, 2013 |
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Jun 7, 2013 20:36
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That made sense, thanks.
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Jun 7, 2013 20:56
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Hopefully the next Trek (is JJ doing it?) will be in "foreign" space most of the time.
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Jun 11, 2013 15:01
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The Patriot Act et al lead to an increased militarization of police in the US. Further there was a cultural militarization as the entire nation "went to war." I think the US is still at war, who knows.
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Sep 23, 2013 19:13
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