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Decius
Oct 14, 2005

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AlternateAccount posted:

I would be a lot more okay with this.

Better at curing disease? Healing damage? Resisting illnesses for which there's no cure? Makes you stronger, faster? Sure, okay, that's all great and there's biological precedent for it. It's internally consistent. Raising someone from the loving DEAD? Uhhh, no.

Easy to solve: Nano machines in the blood repair the damaged tissue and can bring you back to life as long as your brain isn't damaged too much. And since this is the fictional universe where Vulcans can store minds inside other people and people can upload themselves into computers even brain dead doesn't mean anything. Done, you have a "scientific" explanation instead of magical blood. It only can work and exist for a few hours outside the original host, just to remove it as future plot device.

MadScientistWorking posted:

Now we are approaching levels of not having any dam clue about modern medicine levels of whining. Technically speaking at the very maximum you can be dead for a half an hour using modern day technology. I would imagine more so using space science. Hell after careful searching that is what stasis pods are designed to do.

Or just store his matrix in the transporter buffer for the next hundred years. Scotty's done it. Does it. Will do it. Whatever.

I'm fine with the general outline of the spoiled story, if it is the true story as we still have only one guy posting it, or is there more people confirming it? The only thing that bugs me is bringing Khan in. It would have worked without "wasting" him on it and without making him a pasty white guy (even if Cumberbatch is a great actor to have in a movie). He could as easily have been a genetic engineered Section 31 agent, without connecting it at all to Khan and without angering fans because of it.

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Decius
Oct 14, 2005

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Really liked the movie, far less of the action! action! action!-movie they tried to sell it, but goddamn Abrams doesn't have any sense for how big Space is and for distances to fly. Also for space empires/federations they all have a distinct lack of defending/patrolling ships or weapons platforms near their seat of power.

Decius
Oct 14, 2005

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qbert posted:

Edit 2: With a historical figure seemingly that important, Spock really should have recognized who that was as soon as he said his name. Wouldn't that be like asking Nimoy-Spock "Have you ever heard of a man named Napoleon?"

"Kahn? Oliver Kahn? The German goal keeper?" "Caan? James Caan, the actor?". Variations of Khan aren't really uncommon names.

Decius
Oct 14, 2005

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irlZaphod posted:

Pike mentions that being in the volcano at all was a violation of the Prime Directive, so yeah Spock should really have been objecting to the whole thing, instead of throwing together a cold fusion device to save them. Maybe it's just a case where Spock is willing to bend the rules (it's ok to save them if they don't see us), but it doesn't really jive with his characterisation.

I saw it as rule lawyering by Pike. Yes, if you see it very strictly it might be against the rules to even save them, but it might be something that usually is handled more lenient and maybe even ordered by other Admirals/other branches of Starfleet (and it was done in TOS too without violating the Prime Directive). It's indirect influence by letting them develop without the catastrophic event instead of having the culture end. However being seen and thus influencing the development directly is very clearly against the rules. Lying in your report even more so.

Decius
Oct 14, 2005

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The US was "on the brink of war" with the USSR for nearly 50 years. It's not really that near of a thing, it takes usually more than a few shots fired at a border to really spark a war, especially if one side doesn't really want war and the other is probably still building up its strength. Just like there were Generals and Admirals who saw a war with the USSR as inevitable and who say the same about China today, doesn't mean it will happen if you don't push it. Marcus was the equivalent of those Generals.

Of course, there is the thing I find rather hilarious - the flagship of the Federation is parked maybe a million kilometers from Kronos and nobody cares about it, apparently there is no Klingon Home Fleet defending their central world... That's like parking a enemy aircraft carrier 3 miles outside of New York Harbor and nobody noticing.

Decius fucked around with this message at 19:19 on May 15, 2013

Decius
Oct 14, 2005

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

Yeah, except Kirk was dosed with enough 'science-grade' radiation to kill him within what appeared to be 10-15 minutes. That's well beyond 10000 rads, and even the guys who took duty in Chernobyl and inside K-19's reactor room lived like a week before their bodies simply disintegrated from within due to irreparable DNA damage. And yeah, I know "it's a movie," but sheesh.

Assuming that your Warp core has different and worse types of radiation (Space radiation! Tachyon radiation! Whatever) than a Soviet reactor, but one that Space-Hitler blood can cure better because maybe its radiation that only lasts for a few hours isn't that far of a leap.

Decius
Oct 14, 2005

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LankyIndjun posted:

Why is it a silly metric?

Two women talk about their shoe shopping before being mutilated and horribly killed while the killer sneers something about "stupid, worthless bitches" and then spends the next 40 minutes of the movie brutally beating prostitutes. Yet, the movie passes the test perfectly fine.

Another movie consists only of a long discussion between a man and a woman about life, worth, opportunity, sex and gender. Fails the Bechdel test.

Decius fucked around with this message at 14:53 on May 17, 2013

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Decius
Oct 14, 2005

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Darko posted:

Yeah, it's just another one of those "general ideas" that are taken as hard-fast rules for personality types that absolutely must categorize everything into exacts (which is why sites that should just be amusing examinations of trends, like tvtropes, become instead hard-fast "right and wrong ways to do things" by readers). The concept addresses very real trends, but it's not an exact rule.

True, and that's why I have a problem with the Bechdel test being thrown in every drat TV discussion and movie. People should look at the movie itself. Think about how the movie portraits women. Different from men? Positively? Negatively? Examine it instead of applying some inflexible gauge over the whole thing and declare it worthless because it doesn't fit something said in a comic strip 30 years ago, something that's get carried around like some big icon. Instead of people thinking about what they just saw they dismiss it because it passes/doesn't pass the Bechdel test.

Decius fucked around with this message at 15:04 on May 17, 2013

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