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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

monster on a stick posted:

Agreed. Before TWOK, Khan was a guy in one episode. I think one problem is that if the audience has seen TWOK, they will have some expectations about how he will act; if the audience hasn't seen TWOK, it's more of a "so what" when the reveal happens.

Montalban's Khan was charismatic and intimidating; there was a sense that yes, not only was this person dangerous now, but he was dangerous during the Eugenic Wars, and this person could have been a dictator. He's genuinely frightening in Space Seed and you don't want him let loose. Cumberhatch's Khan can build bombs but I don't see him getting into a position of power. He's been loose for some time before the events of STID and what has he done? Build stuff. The real Khan would have manipulated things in his favor and probably have been running Section 31 by then.

THAT would have been an interesting Khan; using the Federation's intelligence apparatus to start pulling the strings of the Federation. More wasted potential.

Yeah the new Khan is mainly shown as being powerful by doing a minigun killing spree to piles of klingons and also being a tech geek genius.

While the old Khan's claim to notoriety is almost being able to almost hijack the Enterprise through clever scheming and winning people over with his charisma.

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

monster on a stick posted:

If that is the case, then I'd say the review is worth watching since it may very well change your mind. They point out the film isn't very smart, the action set pieces were seemingly created in isolation and put together with a small script in-between, much of the space mumbo-jumbo is silly, there isn't all that much characterization, etc.

Yeah sort of how the Wrath of Khan final showdown in the nebula ends up being much more interesting than a chain of Star War-esque action and escape sequences.

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