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Can someone please explain why positional asphyxiation is such a big deal for sleeping in something like a Baby Bjorn bouncer and not a car seat? I know all the studies, I know all the recommendations, so please don’t spam me with links, etc. I’m just trying to make sense of why sleeping in a car seat for an hour and a half (provided it’s installed and restrained correctly) is okay, but a bouncer that makes the same angle to horizontal is not. If I have my eyes on my kid with a monitor and she’s not rolling over onto her face, what exactly is different? Is it the shoulder straps? I swear some of these studies are providing excessively broad recommendations for parents that severely hosed up (like their kid could roll, and they let the kid sleep in the thing overnight, etc.).
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It's generally not advised to let an infant sleep in their car seat. You let them sleep in the car seat when they are in the car because what the gently caress else are you going to do? At home where you use the bouncer you have options that are safe for sleep that you should use.
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Apr 19, 2024 14:49
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I let mine sleep in the car seat if we came home and he was still sleeping. Mind you I’d just sit on the couch watching him but it was a moment of zen for a while. You just end up doing whatever. Edit: We also use one of those Doona seats so the car seat is just the stroller also so I could just rock him a bit while chilling.
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Apr 19, 2024 14:55
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:worse, probably in America Crazy people, what can you say? They threatened the whole school district.
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Apr 19, 2024 15:00
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Yeah our district was very rural when it was founded so all the schools for all the ages are in the same place. It's fuckin weird. About a month ago someone called in a bomb threat, so he went and called them in for random schools on the campus. 4 threats in 3 days. Complete waste of everyone's time and energy
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Apr 19, 2024 15:09
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's generally not advised to let an infant sleep in their car seat. You let them sleep in the car seat when they are in the car because what the gently caress else are you going to do? Wake them up constantly so that they’re miserable and crying but definitely breathing
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Apr 19, 2024 15:15
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illcendiary posted:Wake them up constantly so that they’re miserable and crying but definitely breathing Don't worry, just give it 40 years and we'll so who's tired of wiping someone else's rear end all day
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Apr 19, 2024 15:38
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illcendiary posted:Can someone please explain why positional asphyxiation is such a big deal for sleeping in something like a Baby Bjorn bouncer and not a car seat? I've never heard this I think in general car seats have better head rolling protection. The premium car seats seem to have an extra set of pillows to minimize neck rolling, and can be removed as the baby grows, and the straps are designed and certified by an engineer The straps in our mamaroo seemed like an absolute strangulation hazard it didn't get much use Neck strength/neck control also varies a lot by child. My nephew had basically none and my wife's sister gifted us an entire collection of neck support pillows. By comparison our daughter had full neck control by the end of week 1 and was always twisting her head around to see what was going on
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Apr 19, 2024 17:21
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The way it was explained to me is that it isn't about strangulation, it's about positional suffocation. Our daughter was a little under a month early and it's especially a concern with preemies, so we got a pretty in-depth briefing on it. The hospital put her through a little stress test where they had her on all the various monitors and the had her sit in her car seat for an hour to make sure she was good in that position for at least that long. The nurse working with us said that it's standard for preemies but they're rolling it out to the full term kids too, because some kids just stop breathing if they're in that position for too long. I'm forgetting the details now, but it has to do with them being a little compressed in there and not having the muscle mass to really push back against the position if they're having difficulty breathing.
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Apr 19, 2024 17:35
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One of the positions we were warned about is slumping forward, chin on chest. That can be enough to collapse the throat and prevent the child from breathing. And like all baby things, the advice tends to be on the side of 0-risk-is-the-only-acceptable-amount, so I'm seeing advice that is warning about that possibility through age 2 and some that says only until they can sit up.
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Apr 19, 2024 17:52
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Also, when the car seat is in the car it is installed at the best angle to prevent positional asphyxiation. When the car seat is sitting somewhere else, that angle might not be present and it would be the same type of situation for a swings and bouncers and what not.
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Apr 19, 2024 17:54
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Renegret posted:It's amazing how hard having one kid is. Then how hard having two kids is. Then how easy going back to one kid is. Casually confessing to murder on SomethingAwful is pretty standard now that I think of it. 
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Apr 19, 2024 18:44
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Best to keep kids awake 24/7 imo, they could die randomly at any time. They know that too which is why children fight sleep so hard, their parents are trying to kill them!
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Apr 19, 2024 19:01
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Giant Metal Robot posted:One of the positions we were warned about is slumping forward, chin on chest. That can be enough to collapse the throat and prevent the child from breathing.
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Apr 19, 2024 19:07
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I’ve always heard that even car seats are only safe for sleep in the car or attached to the stroller; otherwise the angle might lead to asphyxiation. I let my kids sleep in theirs inside sometimes but I kept a close eye on them.
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Apr 19, 2024 19:32
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Giant Metal Robot posted:One of the positions we were warned about is slumping forward, chin on chest. ... and some that says only until they can sit up. Yeah I am leaning towards this I can see it being an issue for newborns up to 3 months. It seems like the risk starts dropping to zero as they approach 6 months but I'm not a doctor We had/have the uppa baby mesa, designed for 0-6 mo 1) the baby is so far reclined they're basically laying on their back, the seat also has a level, and the base can be adjusted so it sits in the car at the correct angle. I guess that's why I was so surprised to hear about this car seat thing 2) it has enormous head support pillows on both sides that prevent the head to roll to one side, which probably prevents a head roll evolving into a slump 3) with the chest strap on, and near the collar bone it's virtually impossible to sit forward/upright, let alone slump forward 4) I'm kinda  about strapping my kid in comfortably tight into the seat, if you're lazy about strap tightness and letting the chest strap slide down you're defeating most of the design of the car seat
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Apr 19, 2024 19:48
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nachos posted:Best to keep kids awake 24/7 imo, they could die randomly at any time. They know that too which is why children fight sleep so hard, their parents are trying to kill them! You joke but I think this is actually one of the theories for why it’s recommended babies sleep in the same room as parents during early babyhood. They get woken up more often from noises/parents and are less likely to get sids because of that. That being said our boy was sleeping overnight in his own room before the recommended age so I’m not one to talk.
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Apr 19, 2024 21:24
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Eeyo posted:You joke but I think this is actually one of the theories for why it’s recommended babies sleep in the same room as parents during early babyhood. It’s the theory behind “back to sleep” isn’t it? Stomach they sleep too deeply? Not sure if it works that way, but “back to sleep” did work as far as I know
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Tomorrow is Potty Training Day, Take 1. May God have mercy on our souls
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Academician Nomad posted:Tomorrow is Potty Training Day, Take 1. May God have mercy on our souls Good luck, we're 6 months in and poop is still a challenge 
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Apr 20, 2024 02:14
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Eeyo posted:You joke but I think this is actually one of the theories for why it’s recommended babies sleep in the same room as parents during early babyhood. Yeah I understand the reasoning behind it but then I just think about how loving dumb and useless human babies are from an evolutionary perspective. Not only are babies completely dependent on their parents forever but if they are too good at the thing that helps them grow properly they literally die. We probably should have gone extinct ages ago
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Taking a toddler to Hawaii next month. Please send me tips, tricks, and recommendations. My kid is extremely busy and active.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Taking a toddler to Hawaii next month. Please send me tips, tricks, and recommendations. My kid is extremely busy and active. go to the beach
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Apr 20, 2024 07:11
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also it is now day 4 of HFM. Everything in the house is loving disgusting. The kid's mouth is just a mess of blisters. ffs this poo poo is awful and I want it over with now please
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Apr 20, 2024 07:13
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Sweeper posted:It’s the theory behind “back to sleep” isn’t it? Stomach they sleep too deeply? Not sure if it works that way, but “back to sleep” did work as far as I know Sure was fun when both my kids decided their favorite sleeping position was flipped over nose down into the mattress pad. Didn’t matter how well we swaddled and how asleep they were when we laid them down - they were nose to mattress before we took the 3 steps back to our bed.
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El Mero Mero posted:also it is now day 4 of HFM. Everything in the house is loving disgusting. The kid's mouth is just a mess of blisters. ffs this poo poo is awful and I want it over with now please There's a lot of movie plot points/plot twists that, at this point in parenting, I realized were probably pen put to paper trying to describe this level of hell
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Apr 20, 2024 07:50
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Can cutting toenails be optional? Like what is the worst that can happen if we just never cut our 4yo’s. He hates it so much and is screaming before I ever touch him.
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Apr 20, 2024 10:59
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boquiabierta posted:Can cutting toenails be optional? Like what is the worst that can happen if we just never cut our 4yo’s. He hates it so much and is screaming before I ever touch him. Stone Age men never cut their tonails, I’m sure. So as long as you can replicate a stone age lifestyle, you’ll be fine. Have him walk everywhere, barefoot. Live outdoors, etc.
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Apr 20, 2024 12:10
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Democratic Pirate posted:Sure was fun when both my kids decided their favorite sleeping position was flipped over nose down into the mattress pad. Didn’t matter how well we swaddled and how asleep they were when we laid them down - they were nose to mattress before we took the 3 steps back to our bed. Yeah our boy did the same. Put him on his back and he just immediately turns. Can’t remember when he learned to flip over, but it was definitely still in the recommended back sleep age. He just hates being on his back. Like when we’d try to change him he would try to flip over.
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Apr 20, 2024 13:05
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El Mero Mero posted:go to the beach Lol I meant for the plane and airport. We were in the Lahaina fires with our infant and part of our vacation got rebooked due to the fires, so now we are traveling with a toddler which I'm not sure I would have planned originally.
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Like, general flying tips?
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The biggest tip I got from this thread Go to the dollar store and buy them out of every cheap garbage toy they have. Whenever kiddo starts being a butt, oh look new toy!!! We pull out screens, candy, everything to keep them happy that we normally limit. One time we brought tape that looked like a road and we used it to make race tracks on the tray tables, to match the new matchbox cars. Full disclosure I've never flown more than 3 hours with a kid and I hard vetoed Hawaii when my wife wanted to go because gently caress that 12 hour flight with children.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Taking a toddler to Hawaii next month. Please send me tips, tricks, and recommendations. My kid is extremely busy and active. We’ve been going to Hawaii to visit my husband’s family since my daughter was 18 months. She’s 4 now. We just got back today from a trip there. Bring tons of snacks. We bring 2 gallon bags of snacks for one-way. Snacks are honestly one of the best ways to keep them busy. I also suggest lots of brand new toys and books. I’m a big fan of Melissa & Doug Water Wow books. They come with paint brushes and you fill the brushes with water and they can paint the pages. Melissa & Doug also make Thea reusable puffy sticker packs/activity books that are great for the plane.
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boquiabierta posted:Can cutting toenails be optional? Like what is the worst that can happen if we just never cut our 4yo’s. He hates it so much and is screaming before I ever touch him. In my experience the kid will be fine but you'll start getting slashed and stabbed by the long toenails when you try to hug, etc. Also the dirt really builds up under there. One thing that worked for our kid at that age with a similar aversion was to make a game out of it like she was a cat getting her claws trimmed at the vet. We'd wrap her in an immobilizing towel ("like they do for kitties") and she'd meow and hiss while we got her nails. Another thing that sometimes helped was to do them underwater in the bathroom sink or maybe the tub. Basically anything to shift the context and give her new sensations to focus on.
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My son had a huge chunk of big toe nail hanging off and wouldn't let me cut it. At some point I just went to cut it off and it turned out to be a chunk of dried sparkly nail enamel? I guess his sister did him up with a pedicure without my knowledge.
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Bring tons of snacks and special screen time stuff. My kids loved this dumb Montessori iPad app, and whatever videos they were into (like Daniel Tiger). Sit ‘em in front of a screen and let them just vegetate. Bring a coloring book in case they decide to need to move their hands, but hopefully they’ll just become a screen zombie. I got through a 9 hour international flight with a 2 year old that way. Also bring their car seat and strap them in, especially if they’re used to being in it and don’t hate it. Literally every toddler can wriggle out of an airplane seatbelt in zero seconds flat. And escape. And while the people on the plane may think your escaping cackling toddler is funny, you might have other ideas. (My son did a victory lap and smirked/waved at people after I caught him. They waved back and gave him positive attention, so then for a hot minute escaping became A Thing for him)
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My understanding from our pediatrician on “back to sleep” is that as soon as they roll on their own you need to stop swaddling them and transition to sleep sack with free arms and then they can do whatever. You still put them on their back but if they roll to face it’s fine, they have their arms free and can make sure they don’t suffocate. KG3 started rolling at 10 weeks (so still within the “should be swaddled” timeline) and that was what our pediatrician told us. Once they roll, no more swaddling. The downside is he now flails around like a maniac and wakes himself up sometimes but whatever.
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And remember you can download movies on a lot of iPad apps, like Disney. Also the Khan Academy app is pretty fun.
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I asked the wife if I could sleep in because I always wake up early for work and then always wake up early with the toddler, she agreed. I wake up at 8:00AM and just do nothing but dick around on my phone for an hour. It was glorious. I leave the room at 9:00 and the dog immediately throws up at my feet. I clean it up. The alarm panel reports low battery and starts harassing me literally one day after the alarm guy came and extorted me for money to replace the battery. I make a coffee and the toddler destroys it with a plastic lightsaber. I clean up the glass and enormous spill and make a second coffee. More powerful than you can possibly imagine. Will never sleep in again, that was a huge mistake, lesson learned.
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Hadlock posted:There's a lot of movie plot points/plot twists that, at this point in parenting, I realized were probably pen put to paper trying to describe this level of hell I’ve been having nightmares about blisters in my mouth all this week and it really does feel like I’ve been trapped in a cronenberg body-horror film
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