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Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
First impressions from Biscuit Hammer: this guy really sucks at drawing dogs. They just look so loving bad compared to everything else in-frame.

Look at the upper left panel. Look at dat fukkin' dog.


Garbage.

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Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Cantaloupe posted:

Luckily you don't have to deal with it for very long. :v:

Indeed. :v:

I choose to believe this happened because he knows he sucks at drawing dogs

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
I'm actually finding the mundane aspects really top notch and the fighting so boring it makes me want to stop reading. I just finished chapter 20.

Is there going to be more crap fighting taking up the majority of it? I found the first dozen chapters or so great, funny, the characters are fun to see interact, the banter is pretty natural and amusing, the struggles of Yuuhi are rough etc, but I just hate almost everything about the fighting in this. I'm sure there'll be another great reveal that will make the fighting worth enduring for or justify it but I just find myself scrolling through any of the fight stuff, and when I start doing that in a manga, that's when I feel like I'm not giving the series proper due and should stop reading it altogether. And I know the fight scenes have subtext, but that doesn't really make them any more enjoyable to me.

Maybe I'm just sick of fight scenes in manga. That's probably why I started to read a bunch of shoujo and romance stuff a few weeks ago.

Edit: alright, the first few pages of 21 are preeeeetty great.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Aug 6, 2013

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
I'm not really one to read multiple things at once, sorry. I tend to mix up characters subconsciously when I do that, especially if they're by the same author(this happened real bad with Aoi Hana and Wandering Son) due to really awful memory.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
Crow Knight? I don't like that guy, in an X-Pac Heat(I hate that term) sort of way. That was what I was talking about when I said the fights were boring, the ones with him in them up to chapter 20 and such. At any rate, it's gotten a lot better since then. I guess I just feel like I now understand that dude in the Attack on Titan thread who was set up with impossible expectations from people recommending it and was not completely blown away.


Also, and this might sound weird, but why are a bunch of the translations for this lacking punctuation at the end of sentences? A lot of stuff people say don't have punctuation at the end of it, and, well, I'm sure you've read plenty of forum posts that end like this

and then say something else, but then also end without a period or such

And it kinda fucks up the reading of the line in my head. Like, instead of the person saying a declarative statement, in my head they just sorta trail off if it's not finished with a period or other punctuation and loses some of the impact of what they're saying. This isn't necessarily specifically about Biscuit Hammer, but a lot of scanlations do it too, why is that? Just lazy?

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
One thing I've found is that my enjoyment of a series can also be affected by what I listen to as I read it. When I read Ai-Ren, I was listening to most of the Aquaria soundtrack, which made it particularly engrossing and emotional(and devastating) to read. When I was reading the first bits of Biscuit Hammer I had some fairly generic stuff on(I like to go through soundtracks I've downloaded and pick out stuff I like by listening to it while I read) and so I threw that out, popped on some Final Fantasy VI - Balance and Ruin remixes, and it fits with this series much more, letting me "get into it" a lot easier. For example, Gobble, Snarf, Snap came on when I began reading chapter 24 and somehow I felt it fit it well and made the chapter more enjoyable.

It's like condiments in Earthbound making health-restoring items more or less powerful based on how well they fit the food, if I had to make a comparison. :v:

Anyways, I'm done with my chores and the yardwork for today now, so I'll probably wind up just finishing this series tonight or tomorrow. It's definitely picked up since chapter 20. Thanks for the recommendation, maybe not the Best Series Ever(yet) but definitely above-average and enjoyable.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Aug 7, 2013

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
Nah, I took a break from reading it instead and have started up again a little while ago. I get a very...hmmm...like a Gurren Lagann vibe and a Zatch Bell vibe from it. Zatch Bell in the aesthetic of the whole thing and the wacky banter between the erstwhile animal-human pairings, old man paired with a horse, the artstyle in general a bit(though maybe without so many two-page spreads of absurd ultimate attacks), and how the whole thing's basically one big game, though that's certainly not a unique gimmick. And Gurren Lagann not in any mecha way(though there's a nice reference at one point) but in the way that it starts off slow and just ramps up and up and up as it goes.

I was ready to drop it around the late -teen chapters if it hadn't picked up shortly after. I'm glad I didn't, because I'm sold on it and just finished chapter 47. Good stuff. Still dunno if I'd say it's top shelf stuff but it's certainly very solid and most of the characters have significant progression over the course of it.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
Good poo poo. Good poo poo. I was going to save the last 10 chapters for tomorrow but figured eh, why not, and plowed through'em tonight instead. Really just a super solid series, still great right up to the end, and the final chapter(and bonus chapter) were both outstanding. Top-notch ending. I still don't think the series was perfect, and there were some niggling little things such as janky art at times and perhaps one of the most impractical getups ever, it was really good after the first 20 or so chapters.

I feel like it suffered from gravitas syndrome, where it became too serious for its own good when one of its strongest points was comedy and goofiness early on. Granted, there was obvious reason for it, but considering how solid the humor is in it, that it started to disappear for long spans became really noticeable. The fights definitely became better, the 11th golem in particular(every series with mindless automatons has to have the one intelligent one that questions its own existence, right?) that things like the 10th one lasting throughout a ton of chapters being unconventional was good stuff, the character growth for most everyone was also great, though some characters didn't get nearly as much development as others.

I give it a 4 out of 5, if I had to attribute a score to it.

Also, I still kept having Zatch Bell pop into my head while I read it, especially when the 12 golem showed up. Reminded me how fun(and bonkers) that series was.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
Spirit Circle Chat~

Man. Spirit Circle starts off so much more ridiculously strong than Biscuit Hammer, it's crazy. Though I guess being able to whip up little mini-stories every few chapters that you can just pluck the highlights from helps but it's REALLY getting intriguing with the latest few chapters and shows how much he's grown as a writer. I really enjoyed the Vann chapters and the resulting conversation, too. Really great stuff, definitely on my list!

I'm guessing that maybe each of the different memories will represent a sin, I'm betting Fortuna's pride, Flors is sloth or possibly envy, Vann is gluttony, Fone is wrath, etc., but just as easily this could have nothing to do with the memories. I'm gonna read the thread now that I've caught up.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Aug 31, 2013

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Scent of Worf posted:

"Bad" is a good way to put it because at no point thus far do any of these characters show even an ounce of actually being who the author says they are. They are incredibly pretentious in that regard because it's all for show. That said, I will stop posting about this now until I read some more. Thanks for linking me here btw. His other works look pretty interesting.

Yeah, I don't know what chapter you're on specifically, but I didn't feel it hit its stride until after chapter...21 I think? I nearly quit reading it before that point. After that though it pretty much never stopped being good if not fantastic. It's not a perfect series, but it was greatly enjoyable anyways. The ending rules as well.

I'd say you should read a bunch more before judging it, at any rate. Many of the characters get some great development, some, not so much.

edit: also, reading Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer first makes reading Spirit Circle much more amazing because you can really see just how much he's improved in his natural-feeling character growth and storytelling since LatBH.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Nov 18, 2013

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Well...gently caress

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Yes_Cantaloupe posted:

Oh poo poo! new Spirit Circle!

Reincarnation coming up as a plot point during one of their past lives is cool. The idea of a finite number of souls is quite foreign to me, though.

I don't like this line of reasoning since more people are being born every day, more than have ever existed before, which would mean more souls are being created than existed prior. So to think that is a bit weird. He might just be cracking under the monotonous stress.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
hosed up if true

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
There's a new spirit circle on crunchyroll.

I think "poo poo just hit the fan" sums it up real well

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Boy you weren't kiddin'

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Dick Spacious CPA posted:

can you read the manga and stuff on cr if you use one of the free passes?

if yes someone give me a pass. if no gently caress crunchyroll
Pony up a little money, cheapo

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

tonberrytoby posted:

Because they don't actually offer any manga, even after pretending they do.
...What?

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
When it's a problem nobody else is having, it's probably something to do with your browser/adblocker/something on your computer(s).

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Rodyle posted:

I can't remember the last time a manga revealed so much and yet so little. And ludicrously casually at that.

And hilariously

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Epoxy Bulletin posted:

Kind of spergy
You weren't kiddin'

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Epoxy Bulletin posted:

you dont have to get mad just cause I interrupted your reply snipe
Literally frothing with rage that you got in the way of a quick phonepost with your weird self-admitted nitpickery

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

a kitten posted:

Edit: Wow! Holy poo poo that Spirit Circle chapter's mood changed on a dime.
:ohdear: and :supaburn:
that is how mizukami do

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
New Spirit Circle's up. Complete with TITLE DROP!

Also, a cameo by the Flying Spaghetti Monster of all things

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
Spirit circle is good and I enjoy it a lot but it's not really the best thing ever made or anything. I feel like it still has to stick the landing, it's set up quite a lot, let's see where it goes from here.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
I feel like this chapter or the next, this will start playing in the background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGaneyDfyls

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
I stopped somewhere shortly after they met the girl with the big ol' rock hands and fought a huge dude, dunno what chapter that was. It wasn't very good, Biscuit Hammer and Spirit Circle are much better works.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
Biscuit Hammer had the same problem of crap beginnings but it seems BH's was shorter than SY's.

I'm sure it's eventually okay and all, but I don't think I'll give it another shot because it had its chance to grab me and failed. Biscuit Hammer was like, 1 chapter from being dropped before it grabbed me, somewhere in the late teens or so.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
I mean if you're going to start namecalling I'll just say you're really weird

in general :smugdog:

I'm not the only one who wasn't feeling Biscuit Hammer until around chapter 18(?) or so. Spirit Circle is definitely his most refined work, being fantastic from the get-go rather than having pretty bland introductory arcs.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Ytlaya posted:

It seems kind of strange to just stubbornly avoid a series after being told it becomes very good (and in the case of manga it's not like it takes more than an hour or so to read a bunch of chapters, compared with watching episodes of a tv show or something), unless you're greatly limited in your manga-reading time or dislike action-related genres in general. While there's a bunch of manga/books/shows that a person might not prioritize watching, it's kind of weird for them to actually flat out decide to never read/watch them unless they have something objectively really bad about them or are of a genre they know they dislike. I guess it's consistent if you only read the absolute best of the best top tier manga, though.

What chapter does SY "get good", then? I don't want to waste time reading through stuff I don't enjoy to get to stuff I might enjoy.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
Such a good goddamn series. Such a nice ending. I definitely liked this more than Biscuit Hammer, and the montage of hand-shaking definitely made me all misty-eyed.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Cake Attack posted:

and if it were biscuit hammer would win

Nope

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Chinaman7000 posted:

Hey guys, I'm re-reading Biscuit Hammer, and it's even better than I remember, better than Spirit Circle even though I enjoyed that, and I wish I was as creative and cool as Satoshi Mizukami. Have a great day.

It's not but you're entitled to your opinion. :smug:

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 06:30 on May 12, 2016

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
You saw nothing :ninja:

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty

Epoxy Bulletin posted:

According to his twitter, Mizukami is using his newfound freedom to check out the porn scene for his new VR headset.
Living the dream

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
lmao I was thinking it might be something like that, and then the last few pages hooked me. Good ol' Mizukami

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
Chapter two: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Planet-With/Ch-002---A-Cat-Comes-From-the-Darkness-of-Night?id=421387

looks like we're going full throttle Mizukami from word go. I'm guessing what's in the bottle is someone's ashes, maybe? Mecha designs are super on point. Getting a real Huitzil from Darkstalkers vibe from the psychic mecha. The cat-mech reminds me a lot of...hmmm...those super-deformed Gundam knight guys, I think. Maybe something else I'm just not recalling right now. But the designs are real good. Shame that the tiger mech got taken out first.

edit: I feel like Mizukami saw this scene in Diebuster and was like "yeah, that's how my mecha are gonna work alright"

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 06:49 on May 22, 2018

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
When is the anime for Planet Wish happening?

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
Oh god please be really good. Please.

If it's good and successful it's possible we might get animes for spirit circle or biscuit hammer.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
based on mizukami's prior works I'm gonna say we still known nothing and everything is going to get flipped on its head so assume nothing

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Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

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Clever Betty
yeah

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