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redleader posted:i'm noticing a lot of native english speakers starting to germanically capitalize some or many Nouns in the Sentences they write I notice this too. Older generations seem more inclined to it.
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Apr 20, 2024 13:55
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Count Roland posted:I notice this too. Older generations seem more inclined to it. Early Modern English did this on the regular. Eiba posted:The more I learn about other languages, the happier I am with English. No complicated endings, no grammatical gender. It's got two different branches of Indo-European as a basis for its vocabulary, and it absorbs words easily, so it has a ton of synonyms for nuance. If it's a creole, or was just grammatically simplified by Norse invaders- good. gently caress complicated grammar. From two pages back, but in addition to what others have said, it is true that if you're learning English, you can already do a lot if you know 100 words and some basic grammar in ways that don't work in most other languages. However, the fine intricacies of English grammar are very difficult to learn. I'll give you three examples: - "John didn't come in today. He's sick". If you want to make that sence more unsure, you can use "must be", "will be", "could be", "may be" and "might be" in descending order of certainty, but to someone whose L1 expresses certainty in a totally different way, this is really difficult to learn. Especially because English modal verbs often do double duty, e.g. "could" is also the past tense of "can", and "will" even does triple duty as both the auxiliary for future tense as well as a verb that expresses mental power. - English is full of idiomatic pairings of words. E.g. you can say someone is "strong" or has "a powerful build" but saying someone has a "a strong build" sounds off to L1 or advance L2 speakers and they can't explain to you why. Conversely, you can say a computer is "powerful" but you can't say a computer is "strong" unless you're referring to it being physically reinforced somehow, even though "strong" and "powerful" are for the most part synonymous. - Adverbial word order is very intricate. E.g. adverbial phrases that relate to time can go pretty much anywhere (front/end/mid in order of usual preference) but adverbial phrases that relate to duration always go at the end. e: Also, those L2 posters who said they learnt or were taught RP, unless you're over 35 that is likely not the case and what you call RP is likely NRP (non-regional pronunciation, something pretty close to Estuary English or Greater London English). These days not even the junior members of the British royal family speak RP because it sounds incredibly dated. For all intents and purposes, RP died somewhere in the '90s. Pope Hilarius II fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Apr 20, 2024 |
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Apr 20, 2024 14:36
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I've been having a lot of fun with a world creator tool here, if people are interested: https://demiansky.itch.io/songs-of-the-eons It tries to make geologically sound setups, simulates climates and erosion and vegetation etc etc. I'm not nearly versed enough in geology to know if it has some gaping holes but other than the offensively generic fantasy glazing around the whole project, it's by far the most comprehensive tool of this sort I've ever seen. Made by one of the MEIOU devs for EU4 if people here are familiar, and is about what you'd expect considering that. Apparently they were planning on turning it into a whole procedurally generated fantasy world game sort of thing which has been shelved, but the world generation part of it seems basically feature complete.  
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Apr 20, 2024 14:38
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I would have had run out of apples by now if I would not have had found more apples having had looked for them.
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Apr 20, 2024 15:07
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Linguistically loaded because the apples in China are not sinaasappelen. e: and this post was supposed to be an edit
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Guavanaut posted:Linguistically loaded because the apples in China are not sinaasappelen. they're Sinoapples
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Apr 20, 2024 16:10
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I've actually been vaguely tying to look into the history of apples in east asia. They're a big part of some traditional ceremonies in Korea but from what I've been able to tell, that only really started around the turn of the 20th century. Before then apples seem to have not been much of a thing west of the Tarim Basin. If anyone knows better though, do tell.
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Many languages, present and historical, write entire texts without spaces. If the greeks could understand ΜΟΥΣΑΩΝΕΛΙΚΩΝΙΑΔΩΝΑΡΧΩΜΕΘΑΕΙΔΕΙΝΑΙΘΕΛΙΚΩΝΟΣΕΧΟΥΣΙΝΟΡΟΣΜΕΓΑΤΕΖΑΘΕΟΝΤΕΚΑΙΠΕΡΙΚΡΗΝΗΙΟΕΙΔΕΑΠΟΣΣΑΠΑΛΟΙΣΙΝΟΡΧΕΥΝΤΑΙΚΑΙΒΩΜΟΝΕΡΙΣΘΕΝΕΟΣΚΡΟΝΙΩΝΟΣ, I'm sure the germans have no problem with 20 letter words.
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Koramei posted:I've been having a lot of fun with a world creator tool here, if people are interested: https://demiansky.itch.io/songs-of-the-eons Quoting this so I can find it later
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Pope Hilarius II posted:"could be", "may be" and "might be" in descending order of certainty, Could be, may be, and might be are all equally probable - at least to me as a native American English speaker (as opposed to a Native American English speaker, as my spellcheck tried to autoincorrect). The other one is interest though, totally agree there. "That old bridge sure was a strong build!" is fine while "That old bridge sure had a powerful build!" makes no sense… and vice versa if you switch "old bridge" with “Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 80s". Absolutely could not explain why they’re different. (Edit: VvvV yeah that’s a good and simple explanation, I might just suck at thinking of explanations.) But also every language and dialect and probably even accent has super subtle intricacies that are almost impossible to explain, so I’m not sure that it is easy to say whether it is harder to have idiomatically perfect English than it is to have say, idiomatically perfect Japanese. I do know that idiomatically perfect standard high German is a nightmare though, and no one in Switzerland has it. My wife was often pissed that she was passed over for public writing facing jobs for German Germans, since she is a native Swiss German speaker, but in retrospect she’s like "yeah actually my German grammar blows" Saladman fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 20, 2024 |
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Apr 20, 2024 17:34
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Saladman posted:The other one is interest though, totally agree there. "That old bridge sure was a strong build!" is fine while "Thay old bridge had a powerful build!" makes no sense… and vice versa if you switch "old bridge" with “Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 80s". Absolutely could not explain why they’re different.
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Apr 20, 2024 17:39
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what I was into this as an alternate history thing, but what are the great lakes doing there
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Apr 20, 2024 22:32
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Gaddafi’s spirit lives.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I was into this as an alternate history thing, but what are the great lakes doing there
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Apr 20, 2024 22:54
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Adding lakes seems like it would improve most places tbh, what you got against lakes?
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Apr 20, 2024 23:22
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redleader posted:i'm noticing a lot of native english speakers starting to germanically capitalize some or many Nouns in the Sentences they write Yeah that’s how you recognize AI’s hand. 
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I recognize AI's hand by the polydactyly.
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OwlFancier posted:I recognize AI's hand by the polydactyly. 
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Albino Squirrel posted:Most countries that were colonized and largely populated by the English either have a purpose-built (DC, Canberra) or purposefully-selected (Ottawa, Wellington) capital at a distance from the main centres of commerce and population. I wonder if that's a reaction to having everything concentrated in London back home? I think it’s an attempt at solution to rival states in a federation problem
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It is politically-loaded because the historic orange/white/blue flag was "claimed" by the Dutch nazi party during WW2 and it is nowadays still only used by far-right chuds who would like to bring back colonialism and slavery. Seeing this on a modern joke map means it was either made by someone who is incredibly oblivious to what makes an appropriate joke, or by a nazi chud.
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Apr 21, 2024 08:07
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Carbon dioxide posted:It is politically-loaded because the historic orange/white/blue flag was "claimed" by the Dutch nazi party during WW2 and it is nowadays still only used by far-right chuds who would like to bring back colonialism and slavery. which is annoying, because it's a more distinctive tricolour than the current flag.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:which is annoying, because it's a more distinctive tricolour than the current flag. The red, white and blue is very distinctive, everyone loves it!
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redleader posted:i'm noticing a lot of native english speakers starting to germanically capitalize some or many Nouns in the Sentences they write I used to work with a couple of folk who did that. They thought it was how you emphasise Important Words in a text. I got them to stop it.
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I (and have seen others) occasionally capitalize something jokingly, to essentially imply that it's a proper noun in a particular context, a term of art. ("We all know George is the official Sandwich Enjoyer here.") But then I've also seen people seemingly seriously capitalize things just to emphasize them, like you say, or even apparently at random. Which has basically the same connotations to me as when people use apostrophe-s to pluralize something. Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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Apr 21, 2024 09:42
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Carbon dioxide posted:It is politically-loaded because the historic orange/white/blue flag was "claimed" by the Dutch nazi party during WW2 and it is nowadays still only used by far-right chuds who would like to bring back colonialism and slavery. The date of independence seems to imply that it's a splinter or exile group of Dutch Nazis too.
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While I have the same knee jerk reaction as all y'all, if I step back a bit, capitalization for emphasis actually makes a lot of sense. It's a simple way to do the written equivalent of extra stress in speech.
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But people never emphasize the right things. It's always like "I was on my way to buy Donuts in my car and a truck rear ended me because the driver was on his Phone"
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steinrokkan posted:But people never emphasize the right things. It's always like "I was on my way to buy Donuts in my car and a truck rear ended me because the driver was on his Phone" In this example the capitalized nouns have something in common which is that they're all reasons for the events and actions of the story. While weird to have that be the thing it is the beginning seed of a grammatical rule.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:In this example the capitalized nouns have something in common which is that they're all reasons for the events and actions of the story. While weird to have that be the thing it is the beginning seed of a grammatical rule. I think I would say that the Driver was the reason for the events of the story, really.
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Nieuw Flanders, you say? Nice, nice. Absolut world for sure. Looks like some prime real estate. [a brief visit to Wikipedia later] That area of Australia has a population of 5 people. What the hell. We didn't even get any magically transported lakes e: bamboozled by the Dutch once again Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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Apr 21, 2024 13:50
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Australia with large inland lakes would be a radical change to the continent, to the point that it would be unrecognisable
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That's why they had to hide them underground.
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Which direction are the prevailing winds in Australia because whoever is downwind of the Rippin Lakes oval office Struth is going to have to buy a boat or a snowmobile.
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You already posted that up-thread. Is there some point you're trying to make?
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Phlegmish posted:Nieuw Flanders, you say? Nice, nice. Absolut world for sure. Looks like some prime real estate. It would essentially be a city state with enough completely empty hinterland to make it also the 7th biggest country in the world
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